Zone1 Does this makes sense? Dahmer is (allegedly) in Heaven but Catholics are going to Hell?!

People who say there is no Heaven or Hell

are trusting in themselves

Wow, knowing human nature... how utterly vile it usually is

RE trusting oneself... What could go wrong?
 
If one confesses their sins and asks for forgiveness one is saved.
That is not in the Bible
So much for Sola scriptura


I've read the entire thing

TWICE

some parts of it 100s of times..
 
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(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed—he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

(c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away.

(d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.

(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence, if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

(f) In a conclusive argument, Scripture says, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38–39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved, we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!

I didn't read this. I read the Douay Rheims Bible, most reliable of all Bibles, codified by the Council of Trent in the 1600s.

I am Catholic which means I do not believe that ALL God would have us know is written in a finite book, as awesome as that Book may be. If everything were in the Bible, we would not need a Church, yet Christ founded one (Mt 16:18), the Catholic Church

(Again, His Church is not extant in the Vatican [Search this], yet is perduring in the world just the same in the Church's remnant members: the Sedevacantist Catholics).
 
I've never read in the Bible that "you don't know" where someone goes after death.
But that said, it is true just the same.. we don't know. The Catholic Church teaches that we not know who is in Hell (or anywhere else after death). Other purported "churches" are always saying so and so who died is... say, "looking down on us from Heaven" or what have you... sigh
Perhaps the “Judge not” line
 
Perhaps the “Judge not” line
yeh, the non Catholics don't seem to realize that saying/implying someone is Heaven is just as "judgmental" as saying the person is in Hell
 
He shot himself in the head.
That is terrible...

Many of us have thought of ending it... I heard somewhere that a majority of people consider it at one time or another. Life can be extremely painful... But I hear Hell is far more painful (and does not end)...

I don't think the true Catholic Church has changed its views in the slightest on where a person usually goes when he or she does that... except that no one knows where anyone ends up... But from what I've heard about Hell, I'll take the miseries of this life any day... Besides, that means more days to straighten up and make sure I go in the other direction when I leave Earth. Jesus said that few find the narrow way to Heaven...
 
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