Zone1 Does anyone think we need to keep the current military model of lowering physical performance standards for women?

[2aguy]

If this standard is applied to combat billets, then it will weed out a huge % of women in those billets.
Is it misogynistic to wonder if my female TC can pull me out of my burning tank?

Or carry you to a medevac Helicopter....while under fire?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Or carry you to a medevac Helicopter....while under fire?

Especially when you consider combat troops tend to be heavier and stronger than combat support and combat service support.

 

[Hollie]

How do you make sup for the shortfall of recruits?

You rid the military of tranny freaks who can't deploy and get rid of DIE nonsense.

 

[otto105]

I hate to break it to you....but the women did not pass Ranger School with the same standards...

When the first integrated class started on April 19, none of the nineteen female candidates made it through the Darby phase of the course.

Eight were “recycled” back to the beginning of the phase to take a second crack at the course with the next class to show up, which is an entirely normal procedure. None of the eight passed on the second try. Of those eight, three candidates were given a third try but were required to start back at the very beginning and re-do RAP week, in what is known as a “Day One” recycled (as opposed to joining the next class after it completed RAP week, which is how the average recycle usually works).
Getting a third attempt at the course is certainly unusual, but it’s not unheard of. The opportunity is offered on relatively rare occasions to candidates who have performed well in most aspects of the course but struggled with a single test or task. In this particular class, three of the eight female candidates remaining were given a third try, as were two male candidates who had passed RAP week but failed Darby twice. (At this point, it’s worth mentioning two things.

First, the two male candidates did not take the offer for a third chance as Day One recycles; all three female candidates did. Second, RAP week consists largely of pass fail physical tests that have objective and essentially unfudgeable metrics of success—you either run five miles within the time limit, for example, or you don’t; you either complete the twelve-mile weighted ruck march on time, or you don’t. Many people don’t pass all those tests even when entering the course for the first time in peak physical condition. The female candidates did, and they did it despite having already been subjected to the exhaustion and malnutrition of Darby Phase twice. Day One recycles are viewed by a lot of candidates as something close to a death sentence for your chances of passing the course for exactly that reason. That the female candidates passed RAP week events under those conditions speaks to their level of physical stamina and conditioning.)

The Inside Story Of How The Army Reduced Standards To Get Women Through Ranger Training

The story of how the first female rangers graduated from U.S. Army Ranger School.

dailycaller.com

Maybe we should have more transgender women then.


Right

 

[2aguy]

Maybe we should have more transgender women then.


Right

They are not deployable because of their dependence on hormone drugs.

 

[braalian]

Women should not be allowed in roles like soldiers or firefighters unless they can meet the exact…. exact…..same physical strength standards as male applicants for these positions. There is really nothing to debate here.

There are a small number of women with exceptional strength who will meet this criterion. Most will not.

If we’re going to let physically weak and frail women be soldiers and firefighters, why not lower the standards to let really fat or really skinny/frail men get a pass? It would be the exact same thing….

 

[braalian]

They are not deployable because of their dependence on hormone drugs.

To be fair, it’s an open secret that a huge number of enlisted guys take steroids currently

 

[2aguy]

To be fair, it’s an open secret that a huge number of enlisted guys take steroids currently

Not the same thing.....not even close.

 

[2aguy]

Women should not be allowed in roles like soldiers or firefighters unless they can meet the exact…. exact…..same physical strength standards as male applicants for these positions. There is really nothing to debate here.

There are a small number of women with exceptional strength who will meet this criterion. Most will not.

If we’re going to let physically weak and frail women be soldiers and firefighters, why not lower the standards to let really fat or really skinny/frail men get a pass? It would be the exact same thing….

It is not just a physical fitness standard....there are issues that women have that make the a weakness on the actual battlefield......they don't just "pull a trigger," they have to make it to the location to pull the trigger on a weapon...that means long marches with heavy loads, day after day, with little sleep, bad food, dehydration........

Women get injured far more easily than men during physical tasks.....and at the other end, they can't take up the slack the way a man can if someone does get injured.

 

[braalian]

Not the same thing.....not even close.

True, if a trans person found themselves in a situation where they don’t have access to their hormones- as could easily happen in the military- they’d be in trouble fast

 

[2aguy]

True, if a trans person found themselves in a situation where they don’t have access to their hormones- as could easily happen in the military- they’d be in trouble fast

And that is why they are undeployable.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If this standard is applied to combat billets, then it will weed out a huge % of women in those billets.
Is it misogynistic to wonder if my female TC can pull me out of my burning tank?

My daughter could.

 

[braalian]

It is not just a physical fitness standard....there are issues that women have that make the a weakness on the actual battlefield......they don't just "pull a trigger," they have to make it to the location to pull the trigger on a weapon...that means long marches with heavy loads, day after day, with little sleep, bad food, dehydration........

Women get injured far more easily than men during physical tasks.....and at the other end, they can't take up the slack the way a man can if someone does get injured.

I mean, doesn’t that all kind of fall under the umbrella of physical fitness?

We’ve talked mostly about the strength aspect but you have a point about stamina. Women have naturally less stamina than men.

A lot of strong guys wouldn’t pass the test either. I’m stronger than 99% of men, but even when I was younger I might have failed the endurance/cardio parts of the tests

But, anyway, I do believe that the relatively small number of women who can pass the same test as men should be allowed to serve. That’s the only fair thing to do

 

[braalian]

My daughter could.

You’re daughter is obviously stronger than the vast majority of women

If she can pass the same requirements as male soldiers, she should be able to go for it

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You’re daughter is obviously stronger than the vast majority of women

If she can pass the same requirements as male soldiers, she should be able to go for it

Exactly.

 

[the watcher]

Name rank serial number and preferred pronouns are all I have to give, Sir

 

[M14 Shooter]

My daughter could.

I'd like to see that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'd like to see that.

My daughter is a paramedic. She does it every day! She was a weightlifter in high school and a swimmer.

 

[M14 Shooter]

My daughter is a paramedic. She does it every day!

Nothing against your daughter, but I doubt she does much that resembles pulling an unconscious 200lb trooper out of his gunners seat and through the TC hatch.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Nothing against your daughter, but I doubt she does much that resembles pulling an unconscious 200lb trooper out of his gunners seat and through the TC hatch.

Ever seen a car accident? How about pulling a body out of a tractor that flipped over on the farmer driving it? She literally pulls people out of some of the most bizarre situations you could imagine. She would have zero difficulty.