Doctors are coming out in droves saying hydroxychloroquine works

[jc456]

It didn't but we have the disease under control. If people were healthier we would have COVID under control too. We are too fat.

BTW, I don't believe any numbers coming out today. all bullshit. nothing of value or logic. if masks worked then the masks failed if the count went up. there isn't any other way to look at it. the compliance is by 90% of people. fk, the stay at home participation was worse. But yet, the numbers are rising with masks. How can that even be logically? start naming places people frequent where there have been reported outbreaks. none. zip, and the governors are still talking about stricter restrictions. fk them and their administrations. Fake numbers all of them. I say prove it. BTW, if masks work why is it my glasses fog up when I wear one? why do they stick a nine inch swab into one's head rather than a swab from the mouth? anyone else curious? just asking.

Masks are just there for optics. Disease is real. I had it.

If I were fat and or had diabetes, I'd be dead.

God I wish people would just stop pretending they know what they’re talking about.

So now you don't believe me? Excellent. I had firsthand experience. You're discussing theory.

What’s your experience that says masks are just for optics?

Go ahead.

My doctor. Unless you have surgical masks...they are just for show.

Sounds like he may not have been basing that statement on best evidence.

For example:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19 | Infection Control Today

Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."

www.infectioncontroltoday.com

We can play link games all day.

Except my link shows that it works in practice. Links don’t work if you don’t read them.

you mean like the link I gave you from Dr Risch proving you wrong on all accounts of the topic at hand???

he has you and me on ignore. we beat his fugley ass. therefore, he didn't read your article, nor will he respond.

 

[progressive hunter]

It didn't but we have the disease under control. If people were healthier we would have COVID under control too. We are too fat.

BTW, I don't believe any numbers coming out today. all bullshit. nothing of value or logic. if masks worked then the masks failed if the count went up. there isn't any other way to look at it. the compliance is by 90% of people. fk, the stay at home participation was worse. But yet, the numbers are rising with masks. How can that even be logically? start naming places people frequent where there have been reported outbreaks. none. zip, and the governors are still talking about stricter restrictions. fk them and their administrations. Fake numbers all of them. I say prove it. BTW, if masks work why is it my glasses fog up when I wear one? why do they stick a nine inch swab into one's head rather than a swab from the mouth? anyone else curious? just asking.

Masks are just there for optics. Disease is real. I had it.

If I were fat and or had diabetes, I'd be dead.

God I wish people would just stop pretending they know what they’re talking about.

So now you don't believe me? Excellent. I had firsthand experience. You're discussing theory.

What’s your experience that says masks are just for optics?

Go ahead.

My doctor. Unless you have surgical masks...they are just for show.

Sounds like he may not have been basing that statement on best evidence.

For example:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19 | Infection Control Today

Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."

www.infectioncontroltoday.com

We can play link games all day.

Except my link shows that it works in practice. Links don’t work if you don’t read them.

you mean like the link I gave you from Dr Risch proving you wrong on all accounts of the topic at hand???

he has you and me on ignore. we beat his fugley ass. therefore, he didn't read your article, nor will he respond.

he responded a few comments ago, so he doesnt have me on ignore,,at least 20 minutes ago,,,

 

[colfax_m]

Th

Not sure what they are giving now, but that was part of the standard cocktail our local hospital was using to treat patients during the first months.

I haven’t seen it used in months. We’ve moved on to things with far better data.

You saw it used firsthand?

In the early days, but I can’t remember the last time I saw it used.

Did it work?

Hard to know.

Therein lies the problem.

Exactly. It requires rigorous analysis.

My thought is if there are no to minimal side effects then take it. But I am not a doctor. I have had COVID. Didn't need drugs to get rid of it.

The real issue is that our country is fat and unhealthy and neither party is discussing it. Fattest country in the world. It is a shame. And what do we do? We close all the gyms but leave liquor stores open and now deliver food in multiple ways. So we get fatter and more unhealthy, which is what virus prey on.

Pretty stupid.

The reason the USA is fat and unhealthy is that people don't have cheap access to health care for all. Access to emergency rooms or free clinics is not the same thing as having a good GP, and a team of specialists, as needed who track your health, your care, and to get on your ass to make heathier choices.

thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard,,,

The unhealthiest people are the impoverished who have the least access. There’s a serious correlation between unhealthy activity and lack of medical access.

Bullshit. Young black kids are the best athletes. Many if not most come from poor areas. You can eat healthy and cheaply. Beans are cheap for instance and very healthy. Lettuce and other vegetables are fairly cheap. I don't buy this because the wealthy and middle class are also fat.

That’s your evidence? Young black athletes? You’re not being logical here.

You really aren’t thinking about populations, but picking out subsets to justify your perspective.

If all the poor are kidnapped by aliens we would still be fat. How is that?

And yet society would be healthier as a whole.

I do not believe that and neither do you.

The data shows it and so does my personal experience.

LIAR!!!

Don’t be a snowflake.

I can say the same for you.

Azog: We as a country are fat.

colfax: We would be less fat if we didn't have poor people

Azog: And? We would still be way too fat.

colfax: You're ignoring my data.

Illogical.

I see. Your problem is you’re not really following the conversation.

For one, you’ve submitted obesity as the only marker of health. That’s not logical. Two, you seem incredulous by saying that poor people are less healthy. Your basis for this is not data but the fact that some people grew up poor play in the NBA and some rich people are fat. That’s not logical.

Never said "ONLY" but it is one of the "PRIMARY" ones as it leads to diabetes. And we all agree that diabetes severely impacts the immune system.

Not some. MOST are fat...regardless of economic standing.

From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. ---- You're saying we have more people now than 20 years ago? If so, give me that data.

Obesity-related conditions include heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer that are some of the leading causes of preventable, premature death

You never said it was only, however while I was speaking about overall health, you responded with statements of obesity, so that was the effect of your own statements.

Second, obesity is not the only factor, there’s lots of others including genetics and diet. Third, treatment of diabetes has tremendous effects in the other outcomes of diabetes and guess what that requires? Medical care that costs money.

So at the end of the day, nothing you’ve said contradicts the data that socioeconomic status is highly correlated with health

You didn't answer my question. Rude. So I'll ask again.

From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. ---- You're saying we have more poor people now than 20 years ago? If so, give me that data.

To the bolded section, I never said anything of the sort.

Could you please try to follow a conversation?

So you admit that we are fat. While poorer people are fatter it doesn't mean we have an issue for ALL Americans. And we are getting fatter. This is why the virus is killing more here. Are you fat? Honest question

This is so reductionist, it’s going to the point of near uselessness.

Of course a lot of people here are obese. interestingly enough, there’s no major difference in socioeconomic status and obesity among men, but there is some for women.

Products - Data Briefs - Number 50 - December 2010

Obesity and Socioeconomic Status in Adults: United States, 2005–2008

www.cdc.gov

Yes, the country is getting more obese. Yes, we’d be better off without so much obesity.

What’s your point?

 

[colfax_m]

It didn't but we have the disease under control. If people were healthier we would have COVID under control too. We are too fat.

BTW, I don't believe any numbers coming out today. all bullshit. nothing of value or logic. if masks worked then the masks failed if the count went up. there isn't any other way to look at it. the compliance is by 90% of people. fk, the stay at home participation was worse. But yet, the numbers are rising with masks. How can that even be logically? start naming places people frequent where there have been reported outbreaks. none. zip, and the governors are still talking about stricter restrictions. fk them and their administrations. Fake numbers all of them. I say prove it. BTW, if masks work why is it my glasses fog up when I wear one? why do they stick a nine inch swab into one's head rather than a swab from the mouth? anyone else curious? just asking.

Masks are just there for optics. Disease is real. I had it.

If I were fat and or had diabetes, I'd be dead.

God I wish people would just stop pretending they know what they’re talking about.

So now you don't believe me? Excellent. I had firsthand experience. You're discussing theory.

What’s your experience that says masks are just for optics?

Go ahead.

My doctor. Unless you have surgical masks...they are just for show.

Sounds like he may not have been basing that statement on best evidence.

For example:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19 | Infection Control Today

Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."

www.infectioncontroltoday.com

We can play link games all day.

Except my link shows that it works in practice. Links don’t work if you don’t read them.

you mean like the link I gave you from Dr Risch proving you wrong on all accounts of the topic at hand???

he has you and me on ignore. we beat his fugley ass. therefore, he didn't read your article, nor will he respond.

he responded a few comments ago, so he doesnt have me on ignore,,at least 20 minutes ago,,,

I don’t have you on ignore, I just don’t have much to say to you.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Th

Not sure what they are giving now, but that was part of the standard cocktail our local hospital was using to treat patients during the first months.

I haven’t seen it used in months. We’ve moved on to things with far better data.

You saw it used firsthand?

In the early days, but I can’t remember the last time I saw it used.

Did it work?

Hard to know.

Therein lies the problem.

Exactly. It requires rigorous analysis.

My thought is if there are no to minimal side effects then take it. But I am not a doctor. I have had COVID. Didn't need drugs to get rid of it.

The real issue is that our country is fat and unhealthy and neither party is discussing it. Fattest country in the world. It is a shame. And what do we do? We close all the gyms but leave liquor stores open and now deliver food in multiple ways. So we get fatter and more unhealthy, which is what virus prey on.

Pretty stupid.

The reason the USA is fat and unhealthy is that people don't have cheap access to health care for all. Access to emergency rooms or free clinics is not the same thing as having a good GP, and a team of specialists, as needed who track your health, your care, and to get on your ass to make heathier choices.

thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard,,,

The unhealthiest people are the impoverished who have the least access. There’s a serious correlation between unhealthy activity and lack of medical access.

Bullshit. Young black kids are the best athletes. Many if not most come from poor areas. You can eat healthy and cheaply. Beans are cheap for instance and very healthy. Lettuce and other vegetables are fairly cheap. I don't buy this because the wealthy and middle class are also fat.

That’s your evidence? Young black athletes? You’re not being logical here.

You really aren’t thinking about populations, but picking out subsets to justify your perspective.

If all the poor are kidnapped by aliens we would still be fat. How is that?

And yet society would be healthier as a whole.

I do not believe that and neither do you.

The data shows it and so does my personal experience.

LIAR!!!

Don’t be a snowflake.

I can say the same for you.

Azog: We as a country are fat.

colfax: We would be less fat if we didn't have poor people

Azog: And? We would still be way too fat.

colfax: You're ignoring my data.

Illogical.

I see. Your problem is you’re not really following the conversation.

For one, you’ve submitted obesity as the only marker of health. That’s not logical. Two, you seem incredulous by saying that poor people are less healthy. Your basis for this is not data but the fact that some people grew up poor play in the NBA and some rich people are fat. That’s not logical.

Never said "ONLY" but it is one of the "PRIMARY" ones as it leads to diabetes. And we all agree that diabetes severely impacts the immune system.

Not some. MOST are fat...regardless of economic standing.

From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. ---- You're saying we have more people now than 20 years ago? If so, give me that data.

Obesity-related conditions include heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer that are some of the leading causes of preventable, premature death

You never said it was only, however while I was speaking about overall health, you responded with statements of obesity, so that was the effect of your own statements.

Second, obesity is not the only factor, there’s lots of others including genetics and diet. Third, treatment of diabetes has tremendous effects in the other outcomes of diabetes and guess what that requires? Medical care that costs money.

So at the end of the day, nothing you’ve said contradicts the data that socioeconomic status is highly correlated with health

You didn't answer my question. Rude. So I'll ask again.

From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. ---- You're saying we have more poor people now than 20 years ago? If so, give me that data.

To the bolded section, I never said anything of the sort.

Could you please try to follow a conversation?

So you admit that we are fat. While poorer people are fatter it doesn't mean we have an issue for ALL Americans. And we are getting fatter. This is why the virus is killing more here. Are you fat? Honest question

This is so reductionist, it’s going to the point of near uselessness.

Of course a lot of people here are obese. interestingly enough, there’s no major difference in socioeconomic status and obesity among men, but there is some for women.

Products - Data Briefs - Number 50 - December 2010

Obesity and Socioeconomic Status in Adults: United States, 2005–2008

www.cdc.gov

Yes, the country is getting more obese. Yes, we’d be better off without so much obesity.

What’s your point?

My point is that this is the REAL issue of why COVID-19 is so deadly. And neither party is talking about it. Because neither party cares. You also don't care. I am glad I won this debate. Carry on.

 

[Faun]

Trump motivated by army of doctors, triggers Left with tweet binge on hydroxychloroquine evidence

Leftists got triggered after Trump retweeted the White Coat Summit, where an army of coronavirus experts declared that hydroxychloroquine works.

www.bizpacreview.com

View attachment 368204
Democrats get
Triggered

LOL

Yeah, you go with that nutcase...

Trump’s New COVID Doctor Says Sex With Demons Makes You Sick

The president is pushing the coronavirus theories of a Houston doctor who also says sexual visitations by demons and alien DNA are at the root of Americans’ common health concerns.

www.thedailybeast.com

I'll go with an informed doctor...

Fauci on ‘Good Morning America’ responds to Trump tweetstorm: ‘I have not been misleading the American public’

"I have not been misleading the American public under any circumstances," the nation's leading expert of infectious diseases said Tuesday.

www.cleveland.com

Fauci has been wrong on everything about this virus. No wonder you prove yourself a dumbass everyday.

LOL

Slobbers a trumptard.

Oh? What was he wrong about?

Everything he started with the mask.

LOL

What about masks? Haven't you heard? Even Impeched Trmp flip-flopped on masks.

SO HAS FAUCI,,,

View attachment 368297

That was early on before the pandemic was spreading here like it is. Since then, he's been on board with masks. Whereas Impeached Trump held a rally about a month ago where he not only refused to wear a mask, he encouraged attendees to not wear one either. And that was when he thought a million tickets were distributed to his event. And not surprisingly, about two weeks before a COVID outbreak in Tulsa.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It didn't but we have the disease under control. If people were healthier we would have COVID under control too. We are too fat.

BTW, I don't believe any numbers coming out today. all bullshit. nothing of value or logic. if masks worked then the masks failed if the count went up. there isn't any other way to look at it. the compliance is by 90% of people. fk, the stay at home participation was worse. But yet, the numbers are rising with masks. How can that even be logically? start naming places people frequent where there have been reported outbreaks. none. zip, and the governors are still talking about stricter restrictions. fk them and their administrations. Fake numbers all of them. I say prove it. BTW, if masks work why is it my glasses fog up when I wear one? why do they stick a nine inch swab into one's head rather than a swab from the mouth? anyone else curious? just asking.

Masks are just there for optics. Disease is real. I had it.

If I were fat and or had diabetes, I'd be dead.

God I wish people would just stop pretending they know what they’re talking about.

So now you don't believe me? Excellent. I had firsthand experience. You're discussing theory.

What’s your experience that says masks are just for optics?

Go ahead.

My doctor. Unless you have surgical masks...they are just for show.

Sounds like he may not have been basing that statement on best evidence.

For example:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19 | Infection Control Today

Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."

www.infectioncontroltoday.com

We can play link games all day.

Except my link shows that it works in practice. Links don’t work if you don’t read them.

you mean like the link I gave you from Dr Risch proving you wrong on all accounts of the topic at hand???

he has you and me on ignore. we beat his fugley ass. therefore, he didn't read your article, nor will he respond.

he responded a few comments ago, so he doesnt have me on ignore,,at least 20 minutes ago,,,

I don’t have you on ignore, I just don’t have much to say to you.

Just answer the man's question. What is the big deal?

 

[Billy_Bob]

It didn't but we have the disease under control. If people were healthier we would have COVID under control too. We are too fat.

BTW, I don't believe any numbers coming out today. all bullshit. nothing of value or logic. if masks worked then the masks failed if the count went up. there isn't any other way to look at it. the compliance is by 90% of people. fk, the stay at home participation was worse. But yet, the numbers are rising with masks. How can that even be logically? start naming places people frequent where there have been reported outbreaks. none. zip, and the governors are still talking about stricter restrictions. fk them and their administrations. Fake numbers all of them. I say prove it. BTW, if masks work why is it my glasses fog up when I wear one? why do they stick a nine inch swab into one's head rather than a swab from the mouth? anyone else curious? just asking.

Masks are just there for optics. Disease is real. I had it.

If I were fat and or had diabetes, I'd be dead.

God I wish people would just stop pretending they know what they’re talking about.

Its best that you stop then....

 

[colfax_m]

Th

Not sure what they are giving now, but that was part of the standard cocktail our local hospital was using to treat patients during the first months.

I haven’t seen it used in months. We’ve moved on to things with far better data.

You saw it used firsthand?

In the early days, but I can’t remember the last time I saw it used.

Did it work?

Hard to know.

Therein lies the problem.

Exactly. It requires rigorous analysis.

My thought is if there are no to minimal side effects then take it. But I am not a doctor. I have had COVID. Didn't need drugs to get rid of it.

The real issue is that our country is fat and unhealthy and neither party is discussing it. Fattest country in the world. It is a shame. And what do we do? We close all the gyms but leave liquor stores open and now deliver food in multiple ways. So we get fatter and more unhealthy, which is what virus prey on.

Pretty stupid.

The reason the USA is fat and unhealthy is that people don't have cheap access to health care for all. Access to emergency rooms or free clinics is not the same thing as having a good GP, and a team of specialists, as needed who track your health, your care, and to get on your ass to make heathier choices.

thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard,,,

The unhealthiest people are the impoverished who have the least access. There’s a serious correlation between unhealthy activity and lack of medical access.

Bullshit. Young black kids are the best athletes. Many if not most come from poor areas. You can eat healthy and cheaply. Beans are cheap for instance and very healthy. Lettuce and other vegetables are fairly cheap. I don't buy this because the wealthy and middle class are also fat.

That’s your evidence? Young black athletes? You’re not being logical here.

You really aren’t thinking about populations, but picking out subsets to justify your perspective.

If all the poor are kidnapped by aliens we would still be fat. How is that?

And yet society would be healthier as a whole.

I do not believe that and neither do you.

The data shows it and so does my personal experience.

LIAR!!!

Don’t be a snowflake.

I can say the same for you.

Azog: We as a country are fat.

colfax: We would be less fat if we didn't have poor people

Azog: And? We would still be way too fat.

colfax: You're ignoring my data.

Illogical.

I see. Your problem is you’re not really following the conversation.

For one, you’ve submitted obesity as the only marker of health. That’s not logical. Two, you seem incredulous by saying that poor people are less healthy. Your basis for this is not data but the fact that some people grew up poor play in the NBA and some rich people are fat. That’s not logical.

Never said "ONLY" but it is one of the "PRIMARY" ones as it leads to diabetes. And we all agree that diabetes severely impacts the immune system.

Not some. MOST are fat...regardless of economic standing.

From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. ---- You're saying we have more people now than 20 years ago? If so, give me that data.

Obesity-related conditions include heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer that are some of the leading causes of preventable, premature death

You never said it was only, however while I was speaking about overall health, you responded with statements of obesity, so that was the effect of your own statements.

Second, obesity is not the only factor, there’s lots of others including genetics and diet. Third, treatment of diabetes has tremendous effects in the other outcomes of diabetes and guess what that requires? Medical care that costs money.

So at the end of the day, nothing you’ve said contradicts the data that socioeconomic status is highly correlated with health

You didn't answer my question. Rude. So I'll ask again.

From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. ---- You're saying we have more poor people now than 20 years ago? If so, give me that data.

To the bolded section, I never said anything of the sort.

Could you please try to follow a conversation?

So you admit that we are fat. While poorer people are fatter it doesn't mean we have an issue for ALL Americans. And we are getting fatter. This is why the virus is killing more here. Are you fat? Honest question

This is so reductionist, it’s going to the point of near uselessness.

Of course a lot of people here are obese. interestingly enough, there’s no major difference in socioeconomic status and obesity among men, but there is some for women.

Products - Data Briefs - Number 50 - December 2010

Obesity and Socioeconomic Status in Adults: United States, 2005–2008

www.cdc.gov

Yes, the country is getting more obese. Yes, we’d be better off without so much obesity.

What’s your point?

My point is that this is the REAL issue of why COVID-19 is so deadly. And neither party is talking about it. Because neither party cares. You also don't care. I am glad I won this debate. Carry on.

People have been talking about obesity for decades.

You won a debate no one was having.

 

[jc456]

It didn't but we have the disease under control. If people were healthier we would have COVID under control too. We are too fat.

BTW, I don't believe any numbers coming out today. all bullshit. nothing of value or logic. if masks worked then the masks failed if the count went up. there isn't any other way to look at it. the compliance is by 90% of people. fk, the stay at home participation was worse. But yet, the numbers are rising with masks. How can that even be logically? start naming places people frequent where there have been reported outbreaks. none. zip, and the governors are still talking about stricter restrictions. fk them and their administrations. Fake numbers all of them. I say prove it. BTW, if masks work why is it my glasses fog up when I wear one? why do they stick a nine inch swab into one's head rather than a swab from the mouth? anyone else curious? just asking.

Masks are just there for optics. Disease is real. I had it.

If I were fat and or had diabetes, I'd be dead.

God I wish people would just stop pretending they know what they’re talking about.

So now you don't believe me? Excellent. I had firsthand experience. You're discussing theory.

What’s your experience that says masks are just for optics?

Go ahead.

My doctor. Unless you have surgical masks...they are just for show.

Sounds like he may not have been basing that statement on best evidence.

For example:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19 | Infection Control Today

Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."

www.infectioncontroltoday.com

We can play link games all day.

Except my link shows that it works in practice. Links don’t work if you don’t read them.

you mean like the link I gave you from Dr Risch proving you wrong on all accounts of the topic at hand???

he has you and me on ignore. we beat his fugley ass. therefore, he didn't read your article, nor will he respond.

he responded a few comments ago, so he doesnt have me on ignore,,at least 20 minutes ago,,,

I don’t have you on ignore, I just don’t have much to say to you.

Just answer the man's question. What is the big deal?

he loses all his battles?

 

[jc456]

God I wish people would just stop pretending they know what they’re talking about.

you truly love the word irony.

 

[jc456]

You won a debate no one was having.

I agree you're no one.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Th

Not sure what they are giving now, but that was part of the standard cocktail our local hospital was using to treat patients during the first months.

I haven’t seen it used in months. We’ve moved on to things with far better data.

You saw it used firsthand?

In the early days, but I can’t remember the last time I saw it used.

Did it work?

Hard to know.

Therein lies the problem.

Exactly. It requires rigorous analysis.

My thought is if there are no to minimal side effects then take it. But I am not a doctor. I have had COVID. Didn't need drugs to get rid of it.

The real issue is that our country is fat and unhealthy and neither party is discussing it. Fattest country in the world. It is a shame. And what do we do? We close all the gyms but leave liquor stores open and now deliver food in multiple ways. So we get fatter and more unhealthy, which is what virus prey on.

Pretty stupid.

The reason the USA is fat and unhealthy is that people don't have cheap access to health care for all. Access to emergency rooms or free clinics is not the same thing as having a good GP, and a team of specialists, as needed who track your health, your care, and to get on your ass to make heathier choices.

thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard,,,

The unhealthiest people are the impoverished who have the least access. There’s a serious correlation between unhealthy activity and lack of medical access.

Bullshit. Young black kids are the best athletes. Many if not most come from poor areas. You can eat healthy and cheaply. Beans are cheap for instance and very healthy. Lettuce and other vegetables are fairly cheap. I don't buy this because the wealthy and middle class are also fat.

That’s your evidence? Young black athletes? You’re not being logical here.

You really aren’t thinking about populations, but picking out subsets to justify your perspective.

If all the poor are kidnapped by aliens we would still be fat. How is that?

And yet society would be healthier as a whole.

I do not believe that and neither do you.

The data shows it and so does my personal experience.

LIAR!!!

Don’t be a snowflake.

I can say the same for you.

Azog: We as a country are fat.

colfax: We would be less fat if we didn't have poor people

Azog: And? We would still be way too fat.

colfax: You're ignoring my data.

Illogical.

I see. Your problem is you’re not really following the conversation.

For one, you’ve submitted obesity as the only marker of health. That’s not logical. Two, you seem incredulous by saying that poor people are less healthy. Your basis for this is not data but the fact that some people grew up poor play in the NBA and some rich people are fat. That’s not logical.

Never said "ONLY" but it is one of the "PRIMARY" ones as it leads to diabetes. And we all agree that diabetes severely impacts the immune system.

Not some. MOST are fat...regardless of economic standing.

From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. ---- You're saying we have more people now than 20 years ago? If so, give me that data.

Obesity-related conditions include heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer that are some of the leading causes of preventable, premature death

You never said it was only, however while I was speaking about overall health, you responded with statements of obesity, so that was the effect of your own statements.

Second, obesity is not the only factor, there’s lots of others including genetics and diet. Third, treatment of diabetes has tremendous effects in the other outcomes of diabetes and guess what that requires? Medical care that costs money.

So at the end of the day, nothing you’ve said contradicts the data that socioeconomic status is highly correlated with health

You didn't answer my question. Rude. So I'll ask again.

From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. ---- You're saying we have more poor people now than 20 years ago? If so, give me that data.

To the bolded section, I never said anything of the sort.

Could you please try to follow a conversation?

So you admit that we are fat. While poorer people are fatter it doesn't mean we have an issue for ALL Americans. And we are getting fatter. This is why the virus is killing more here. Are you fat? Honest question

This is so reductionist, it’s going to the point of near uselessness.

Of course a lot of people here are obese. interestingly enough, there’s no major difference in socioeconomic status and obesity among men, but there is some for women.

Products - Data Briefs - Number 50 - December 2010

Obesity and Socioeconomic Status in Adults: United States, 2005–2008

www.cdc.gov

Yes, the country is getting more obese. Yes, we’d be better off without so much obesity.

What’s your point?

My point is that this is the REAL issue of why COVID-19 is so deadly. And neither party is talking about it. Because neither party cares. You also don't care. I am glad I won this debate. Carry on.

People have been talking about obesity for decades.

You won a debate no one was having.

Name the last time either Trump, Clinton or Biden talked about it....I'll patiently wait. Thanks.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It didn't but we have the disease under control. If people were healthier we would have COVID under control too. We are too fat.

BTW, I don't believe any numbers coming out today. all bullshit. nothing of value or logic. if masks worked then the masks failed if the count went up. there isn't any other way to look at it. the compliance is by 90% of people. fk, the stay at home participation was worse. But yet, the numbers are rising with masks. How can that even be logically? start naming places people frequent where there have been reported outbreaks. none. zip, and the governors are still talking about stricter restrictions. fk them and their administrations. Fake numbers all of them. I say prove it. BTW, if masks work why is it my glasses fog up when I wear one? why do they stick a nine inch swab into one's head rather than a swab from the mouth? anyone else curious? just asking.

Masks are just there for optics. Disease is real. I had it.

If I were fat and or had diabetes, I'd be dead.

God I wish people would just stop pretending they know what they’re talking about.

So now you don't believe me? Excellent. I had firsthand experience. You're discussing theory.

What’s your experience that says masks are just for optics?

Go ahead.

My doctor. Unless you have surgical masks...they are just for show.

Sounds like he may not have been basing that statement on best evidence.

For example:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19 | Infection Control Today

Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."

www.infectioncontroltoday.com

We can play link games all day.

Except my link shows that it works in practice. Links don’t work if you don’t read them.

you mean like the link I gave you from Dr Risch proving you wrong on all accounts of the topic at hand???

he has you and me on ignore. we beat his fugley ass. therefore, he didn't read your article, nor will he respond.

he responded a few comments ago, so he doesnt have me on ignore,,at least 20 minutes ago,,,

I don’t have you on ignore, I just don’t have much to say to you.

Just answer the man's question. What is the big deal?

he loses all his battles?

IDK but he is getting hammered here. He just admitted that people are fat regardless of socioeconomic status and is back pedaling. His exact question: "What's your point"?

You can lead a horse to water....

 

[progressive hunter]

It didn't but we have the disease under control. If people were healthier we would have COVID under control too. We are too fat.

BTW, I don't believe any numbers coming out today. all bullshit. nothing of value or logic. if masks worked then the masks failed if the count went up. there isn't any other way to look at it. the compliance is by 90% of people. fk, the stay at home participation was worse. But yet, the numbers are rising with masks. How can that even be logically? start naming places people frequent where there have been reported outbreaks. none. zip, and the governors are still talking about stricter restrictions. fk them and their administrations. Fake numbers all of them. I say prove it. BTW, if masks work why is it my glasses fog up when I wear one? why do they stick a nine inch swab into one's head rather than a swab from the mouth? anyone else curious? just asking.

Masks are just there for optics. Disease is real. I had it.

If I were fat and or had diabetes, I'd be dead.

God I wish people would just stop pretending they know what they’re talking about.

So now you don't believe me? Excellent. I had firsthand experience. You're discussing theory.

What’s your experience that says masks are just for optics?

Go ahead.

My doctor. Unless you have surgical masks...they are just for show.

Sounds like he may not have been basing that statement on best evidence.

For example:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19 | Infection Control Today

Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."

www.infectioncontroltoday.com

We can play link games all day.

Except my link shows that it works in practice. Links don’t work if you don’t read them.

you mean like the link I gave you from Dr Risch proving you wrong on all accounts of the topic at hand???

he has you and me on ignore. we beat his fugley ass. therefore, he didn't read your article, nor will he respond.

he responded a few comments ago, so he doesnt have me on ignore,,at least 20 minutes ago,,,

I don’t have you on ignore, I just don’t have much to say to you.

only because what I provided you proves you wrong,,,
that and that youre a liar most of the time,,,

 

[colfax_m]

Th

Not sure what they are giving now, but that was part of the standard cocktail our local hospital was using to treat patients during the first months.

I haven’t seen it used in months. We’ve moved on to things with far better data.

You saw it used firsthand?

In the early days, but I can’t remember the last time I saw it used.

Did it work?

Hard to know.

Therein lies the problem.

Exactly. It requires rigorous analysis.

My thought is if there are no to minimal side effects then take it. But I am not a doctor. I have had COVID. Didn't need drugs to get rid of it.

The real issue is that our country is fat and unhealthy and neither party is discussing it. Fattest country in the world. It is a shame. And what do we do? We close all the gyms but leave liquor stores open and now deliver food in multiple ways. So we get fatter and more unhealthy, which is what virus prey on.

Pretty stupid.

The reason the USA is fat and unhealthy is that people don't have cheap access to health care for all. Access to emergency rooms or free clinics is not the same thing as having a good GP, and a team of specialists, as needed who track your health, your care, and to get on your ass to make heathier choices.

thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard,,,

The unhealthiest people are the impoverished who have the least access. There’s a serious correlation between unhealthy activity and lack of medical access.

Bullshit. Young black kids are the best athletes. Many if not most come from poor areas. You can eat healthy and cheaply. Beans are cheap for instance and very healthy. Lettuce and other vegetables are fairly cheap. I don't buy this because the wealthy and middle class are also fat.

That’s your evidence? Young black athletes? You’re not being logical here.

You really aren’t thinking about populations, but picking out subsets to justify your perspective.

If all the poor are kidnapped by aliens we would still be fat. How is that?

And yet society would be healthier as a whole.

I do not believe that and neither do you.

The data shows it and so does my personal experience.

LIAR!!!

Don’t be a snowflake.

I can say the same for you.

Azog: We as a country are fat.

colfax: We would be less fat if we didn't have poor people

Azog: And? We would still be way too fat.

colfax: You're ignoring my data.

Illogical.

I see. Your problem is you’re not really following the conversation.

For one, you’ve submitted obesity as the only marker of health. That’s not logical. Two, you seem incredulous by saying that poor people are less healthy. Your basis for this is not data but the fact that some people grew up poor play in the NBA and some rich people are fat. That’s not logical.

Never said "ONLY" but it is one of the "PRIMARY" ones as it leads to diabetes. And we all agree that diabetes severely impacts the immune system.

Not some. MOST are fat...regardless of economic standing.

From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. ---- You're saying we have more people now than 20 years ago? If so, give me that data.

Obesity-related conditions include heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer that are some of the leading causes of preventable, premature death

You never said it was only, however while I was speaking about overall health, you responded with statements of obesity, so that was the effect of your own statements.

Second, obesity is not the only factor, there’s lots of others including genetics and diet. Third, treatment of diabetes has tremendous effects in the other outcomes of diabetes and guess what that requires? Medical care that costs money.

So at the end of the day, nothing you’ve said contradicts the data that socioeconomic status is highly correlated with health

You didn't answer my question. Rude. So I'll ask again.

From 1999–2000 through 2017–2018, the prevalence of obesity increased from 30.5% to 42.4%, and the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%. ---- You're saying we have more poor people now than 20 years ago? If so, give me that data.

To the bolded section, I never said anything of the sort.

Could you please try to follow a conversation?

So you admit that we are fat. While poorer people are fatter it doesn't mean we have an issue for ALL Americans. And we are getting fatter. This is why the virus is killing more here. Are you fat? Honest question

This is so reductionist, it’s going to the point of near uselessness.

Of course a lot of people here are obese. interestingly enough, there’s no major difference in socioeconomic status and obesity among men, but there is some for women.

Products - Data Briefs - Number 50 - December 2010

Obesity and Socioeconomic Status in Adults: United States, 2005–2008

www.cdc.gov

Yes, the country is getting more obese. Yes, we’d be better off without so much obesity.

What’s your point?

My point is that this is the REAL issue of why COVID-19 is so deadly. And neither party is talking about it. Because neither party cares. You also don't care. I am glad I won this debate. Carry on.

People have been talking about obesity for decades.

You won a debate no one was having.

Name the last time either Trump, Clinton or Biden talked about it....I'll patiently wait. Thanks.

I have no idea. So?

 

[colfax_m]

It didn't but we have the disease under control. If people were healthier we would have COVID under control too. We are too fat.

BTW, I don't believe any numbers coming out today. all bullshit. nothing of value or logic. if masks worked then the masks failed if the count went up. there isn't any other way to look at it. the compliance is by 90% of people. fk, the stay at home participation was worse. But yet, the numbers are rising with masks. How can that even be logically? start naming places people frequent where there have been reported outbreaks. none. zip, and the governors are still talking about stricter restrictions. fk them and their administrations. Fake numbers all of them. I say prove it. BTW, if masks work why is it my glasses fog up when I wear one? why do they stick a nine inch swab into one's head rather than a swab from the mouth? anyone else curious? just asking.

Masks are just there for optics. Disease is real. I had it.

If I were fat and or had diabetes, I'd be dead.

God I wish people would just stop pretending they know what they’re talking about.

So now you don't believe me? Excellent. I had firsthand experience. You're discussing theory.

What’s your experience that says masks are just for optics?

Go ahead.

My doctor. Unless you have surgical masks...they are just for show.

Sounds like he may not have been basing that statement on best evidence.

For example:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19 | Infection Control Today

Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."

www.infectioncontroltoday.com

We can play link games all day.

Except my link shows that it works in practice. Links don’t work if you don’t read them.

you mean like the link I gave you from Dr Risch proving you wrong on all accounts of the topic at hand???

he has you and me on ignore. we beat his fugley ass. therefore, he didn't read your article, nor will he respond.

he responded a few comments ago, so he doesnt have me on ignore,,at least 20 minutes ago,,,

I don’t have you on ignore, I just don’t have much to say to you.

Just answer the man's question. What is the big deal?

he loses all his battles?

IDK but he is getting hammered here. He just admitted that people are fat regardless of socioeconomic status and is back pedaling. His exact question: "What's your point"?

You can lead a horse to water....

Again, you’ve substituted obesity as the sole measure of health.
Which you scolded me for pointing out...

BUT YOU KEEP DOING IT.

 

[progressive hunter]

Trump motivated by army of doctors, triggers Left with tweet binge on hydroxychloroquine evidence

Leftists got triggered after Trump retweeted the White Coat Summit, where an army of coronavirus experts declared that hydroxychloroquine works.

www.bizpacreview.com

View attachment 368204
Democrats get
Triggered

LOL

Yeah, you go with that nutcase...

Trump’s New COVID Doctor Says Sex With Demons Makes You Sick

The president is pushing the coronavirus theories of a Houston doctor who also says sexual visitations by demons and alien DNA are at the root of Americans’ common health concerns.

www.thedailybeast.com

I'll go with an informed doctor...

Fauci on ‘Good Morning America’ responds to Trump tweetstorm: ‘I have not been misleading the American public’

"I have not been misleading the American public under any circumstances," the nation's leading expert of infectious diseases said Tuesday.

www.cleveland.com

Fauci has been wrong on everything about this virus. No wonder you prove yourself a dumbass everyday.

LOL

Slobbers a trumptard.

Oh? What was he wrong about?

Everything he started with the mask.

LOL

What about masks? Haven't you heard? Even Impeched Trmp flip-flopped on masks.

SO HAS FAUCI,,,

View attachment 368297

That was early on before the pandemic was spreading here like it is. Since then, he's been on board with masks. Whereas Impeached Trump held a rally about a month ago where he not only refused to wear a mask, he encouraged attendees to not wear one either. And that was when he thought a million tickets were distributed to his event. And not surprisingly, about two weeks before a COVID outbreak in Tulsa.

 

[Billy_Bob]

It didn't but we have the disease under control. If people were healthier we would have COVID under control too. We are too fat.

BTW, I don't believe any numbers coming out today. all bullshit. nothing of value or logic. if masks worked then the masks failed if the count went up. there isn't any other way to look at it. the compliance is by 90% of people. fk, the stay at home participation was worse. But yet, the numbers are rising with masks. How can that even be logically? start naming places people frequent where there have been reported outbreaks. none. zip, and the governors are still talking about stricter restrictions. fk them and their administrations. Fake numbers all of them. I say prove it. BTW, if masks work why is it my glasses fog up when I wear one? why do they stick a nine inch swab into one's head rather than a swab from the mouth? anyone else curious? just asking.

Masks are just there for optics. Disease is real. I had it.

If I were fat and or had diabetes, I'd be dead.

God I wish people would just stop pretending they know what they’re talking about.

So now you don't believe me? Excellent. I had firsthand experience. You're discussing theory.

What’s your experience that says masks are just for optics?

Go ahead.

My doctor. Unless you have surgical masks...they are just for show.

Sounds like he may not have been basing that statement on best evidence.

For example:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Cloth Masks Are Useless Against COVID-19 | Infection Control Today

Lisa Brosseau, ScD: "What we’re seeing is a lot of magical thinking. A lot of wishful thinking. Cloth masks are wishful thinking."

www.infectioncontroltoday.com

We can play link games all day.

Except my link shows that it works in practice. Links don’t work if you don’t read them.

And mine shows its BS. Cloth masks are for optics? I still wear mine. But why would people care? I had the virus. Pretty stupid? Yes?

All the mask does is stop large droplets from the wearer.. Airsolized droplets will penetrate any mask not designed to stop 0.5 microns in size.. (N95 masks are designed to do this and are fitted so there are no leaks around the mask.)

The mask only slows spread if the contact is intermittent. If your in a room with someone who is active and creating airsolized particles the things are useless..

People have been lulled into a sense of safety that does not exist...

 

[Jitss617]

Trump motivated by army of doctors, triggers Left with tweet binge on hydroxychloroquine evidence

Leftists got triggered after Trump retweeted the White Coat Summit, where an army of coronavirus experts declared that hydroxychloroquine works.

www.bizpacreview.com

View attachment 368204
Democrats get
Triggered

LOL

Yeah, you go with that nutcase...

Trump’s New COVID Doctor Says Sex With Demons Makes You Sick

The president is pushing the coronavirus theories of a Houston doctor who also says sexual visitations by demons and alien DNA are at the root of Americans’ common health concerns.

www.thedailybeast.com

I'll go with an informed doctor...

Fauci on ‘Good Morning America’ responds to Trump tweetstorm: ‘I have not been misleading the American public’

"I have not been misleading the American public under any circumstances," the nation's leading expert of infectious diseases said Tuesday.

www.cleveland.com

Fauci has been wrong on everything about this virus. No wonder you prove yourself a dumbass everyday.

LOL

Slobbers a trumptard.

Oh? What was he wrong about?

Everything he started with the mask.

LOL

What about masks? Haven't you heard? Even Impeched Trmp flip-flopped on masks.

SO HAS FAUCI,,,

View attachment 368297

That was early on before the pandemic was spreading here like it is. Since then, he's been on board with masks. Whereas Impeached Trump held a rally about a month ago where he not only refused to wear a mask, he encouraged attendees to not wear one either. And that was when he thought a million tickets were distributed to his event. And not surprisingly, about two weeks before a COVID outbreak in Tulsa.

View attachment 368319

Damn Faun got cha there