Do You Want War Or Do You Want Peace With Iran?
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They were saying "stuff like that" before the USA existed, over 1400 years ago.
Either you are ignorant of and don't understand history or you are a dis-informationist lying troll for Islamic Jihad.
JoeB131
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They were saying "Death to America" 1400 years ago? They must have been presciant, given America was only discovered 500 years ago.
Says the guy who think they were saying "Death to Places that Don't Exist Yet" 1400 years ago.
1400 years ago, Christianity was far more savage than Islam was.
People who are against Trump. You really couldn't follow that.. oh, you didn't want to address my point, so you asked a retarded question. Got it.
"being responsible" is fairly standard english. I would guess a grade school education would give you the vocabulary to understand it.
Which you clearly have. So, your pretense of not understanding it, is not credible.
"Lefties" is clearly in this context, a reference to people that leaning to the LEFT side of the political spectrum.
Again, it is not credible that you did not understand that.
You are playing retard, to avoid dealing with my valid points.
This is very, very, VERY, common behavior among lefties.
I haven't been complaining about anything that I am personally dealing with, that is from something that IRAN has done.
I think you failed to follow what I was talking about.
GLASNOST
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That sort of guy just makes it up as he goes along.
GLASNOST
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It has nothing to do with the subject.
You made a retarded statement and I called you out on it. Is it only your statement that is retarded or do you share its attributes?
You just toss out buzz words that have nothing to do with the issue and think you've contributed something useful.
There, you see, you have no idea what you are talking about and you just proved it.
You don't know what you are talking about. You haven't actually said anything relevant. Just “lefty” and “anti-Trump” nonsense, two phrases and you don't even understand what they mean.
Corell: "Uhhhhh."
Response: "Can you clarify that, please?"
Corell: "You're an anti-Trump lefty!"
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I was OK with the way things were
My point that anti-Trumpers are holding Trump responsible for Iran's actions, is not on topic?
I disagree.
NO, I've been discussing this with a number of anti-Trumpers. THey are pretty consistent in blaming Trump for Iran's actions.
Lefties is a group of people I was referencing, their positions. So...you are just talking shit to bury my point.
Trump is being held responsible for Iran's action of closing the straits.
That's wrong. Morally and legally.
OMG!
"stuff like that" means 'similar', not 'exact'.
It was stated/used in regard to any lands just beyond the Dar al-Islam (world/realm of Islam) where Islam was not the dominate religion and Sharia was not the foundation of the laws. This was in reference to that part of the world not under Islam rule, known as the Dar al-Harb.
" In classical Islamic law, the two major divisions of the world are dar al-Islam (lit. 'territory of Islam'), and dar al-harb (lit. 'territory of war'). ... "
Divisions of the world in Islam - Wikipedia
.....Chapter: The command to fight the people until they say "La ilaha illallah Muhammad Rasul-Allah", and establish Salat, and pay the Zakat, and believe in everything that the prophet (saws) brought. Whoever does that, his life and his wealth are protected except by its right, and his secrets are entrusted to Allah, the most high. Fighting those who withhold Zakat or other than that is one of the duties of Islam and the Imam should be concerned with the Laws of Islam
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It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah said:
I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.
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It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that he heard the Messenger of Allah say:
I have been commanded to fight against people, till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the messenger (from the Lord) and in all that I have brought. And when they do it, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
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Sahih Muslim 21a - The Book of Faith - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the ri
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There are other parts of Islamic scriptures that build upon this to the extent that this "fight the people" is to go on until the whole world is conquered and under the rule of Islam/Sharia.
Also Islamic theology has a concept of Paradise/Heaven that is multiple levels and while a peaceful Muslim can gain a place at the bottom, minimum level, higher levels and greater rewards go only to Holy Warriors and based on the performance, captures, etc. If they become martyrs in the course of Jihad, the rewards are even greater. This is why a small group of Muslims were willing to crash airliners into buildings in the USA 25 years ago ~ they became glorious martyrs to Islam and went to claim their great rewards in Paradise.
This is the primary driver that resulted in the expansion of Islam. Muhammad started the process of war=conquest=conversion or slavery option, etc. during the last ten years of his life 622-632 AD; carrying a sword and leading his armies.
This link shows one of many types/versions of maps that show this expanding conquest, still in progress where-ever ~ when-ever Muslims have opportunity and means for such.
World Map Showing The Spread Of Islam From 622-1700 - Brilliant Maps
Map created by the OER ProjectThe map above is a thematic map showing the historical spread of Islam across different regions and time periods. And if you
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It wasn't "death to places" it was death to infidels/non-believers. And it's been ongoing for 1400 years.
Iran is ruled by a theocratic version of Islam that supports Jihad in expectation of the 12th Imman appearing (soon) to initiate the Islamic apocalypse followed by global domination of Islam and "world peace".
As for Christianity being savage, that would vary a lot in times and places, as well as sects. However, New Testament scripture is not filled with invocation for violence to non-believers, especially as much as we find in Islamic scriptuures. Nor does the track record of conquest quite match. Most of Western history is political based conflict and conquest, with religion wrapped around as 'dressing'.
The first few centuries of Christianity's existence it was largely peaceful and within the Roman Empire persecuted. Edict of Milan, 313 AD put and end to the persecution, legitimized Christianity. Towards the end of that century it then became the state religion of the Roman Empire.
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In the year before the First Council of Constantinople in 381, Nicene Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire when Theodosius I, emperor of the East, Gratian, emperor of the West, and Gratian's junior co-ruler Valentinian II issued the Edict of Thessalonica in 380, which recognized the catholic orthodoxy, as defined by the Council of Nicea, as the Roman Empire's state religion. Historians refer to this state-sponsored church using a variety of terms: the catholic church, the orthodox church, the imperial church, the Roman church, or the Byzantine church, with some also used for wider communions extending beyond the Roman Empire. The Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, and the Catholic Church all claim to stand in continuity from the Nicene Christian church to which Theodosius granted recognition. Political differences between the Eastern Roman Empire and the Persian Sassanid Empire led to the separation of the Church of the East in 424. A doctrinal split within the imperial church led to the independence of early Oriental Orthodoxy, while the fall of the Western Roman Empire initiated the gradual separation between Eastern and Western Christianity, culminating in the East-West schism of 1054. The Western Church evolved into the Latin (Catholic) Church while the Eastern Church that remained under the patronage of the Eastern empire evolved into the Greek Orthodox Church.
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Christianity as the Roman state religion - Wikipedia
Christianity wasn't always "savage" as you imply, and it shaped the philosophical foundations for what would be the USA Constitution and Bill of Rights. Islam has yet to produce as tolerant and liberal a culture, civilization, and governments that come close to matching the West, and especially the USA.
BTW, 1400 years ago Islam was just getting started on expansion and conquest. In the centuries that followed, as the Roman and Byzantine empires collapsed, Islam increased it's share of global violence/savage and also the land that would come under Sharia Law, etc.
A majority of conflicts/wars around Earth today have at least one faction that is Muslim.
You will find description and definitions of "left" versus "right" in content of this link.
Structure of the scoring grid will show leftside as "The Left" and rightside section as "The Right"
For a start.
World's Smallest Political Quiz | Advocates For Self-Government
As one of our resident mental defectives, we are still waiting to see you post anything real or intelligent.That sort of guy just makes it up as he goes along.
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The truce in Lebanon will not hold. Israel shoots ANYONE who approaches its positions, even accidentally or unknowingly. That's how they killed two Lebanese civilians yesterday. That's how they have killed 1,000 people in Gaza since the ceasefire of October 2025.
JoeB131
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Like I said, Christian scripture ~ New Testament doesn't sanction or encourage violence as a means of spreading the religion. Also Christian has many more sects/versions than Islam. Christianity also has a more extensive history of infighting between those various sects/'flavors'. Violence encouraged in the Old Testament is largely focused on Hebrews securing a very small piece of real estate to be the "homeland" of a "chosen people"; they have no mandate to convert the world to Judaism.
Islam is the current and lone major religion with a scriptural mandate to conquer/convert the who planet/humankind to Islam, by force when necessary. BTW, about a quarter of Earth's population is claimed to be Muslim.
Quality of a religion has a lot more to be considered than quantity.
JoeB131
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Why do you guys always try to pull that shit of pretending the Old Testament isn't a thing?
That sounds like a design flaw. Jesus should have made his message clearer.
Um, the book encourages outright GENOCIDE.
And judging by events in Gaza, they haven't evolved since then.
And they're ten feet tall and have FANGS.
Zincwarrior
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In return for open Straits we are giving Iran $300Bn in reparations. Thats it. Thats all. No regime change. No nuke dust. The Iranians are still making drones.
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