How has Trump done on what he promised the US and the world the day he started bombing Iran

[BluesLegend]

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Awe, here's a cookie.

 

[Correll]

How has Trump done on what he promised the US and the world the day he started bombing Iran.
.....

But, here's teh thing.

You don't care.

Even if he succeeded on everything, you would still hate him and America with a fiery passion and side with Iran.

AND, you would find some way of shit talking against the victory.


Full disclosure, I don't really care either.

Anyone wants to bomb Iran, I figure they probably have a good reason.

Hell, if CHINA bombed Iran, I would probably not be up for making a big deal about it.

 

[Dragonlady]

Their nuclear aspirations are destroyed.

Regime change was never the goal of the US military.

The straight was closed during the conflict, now it will reopen. How is that breaking any promise?

You idiots just have to run down the U.S. and support its enemies, because you hate America and President Trump.

If they really had "nuclear aspirations", they would have already built the bomb. They have enough enriched uranium to build 11 bombs. If building a nuclear bomb was their goal, it would already have been achieved.

Trump told the Iranian people to seize the moment and get the Ayatollahs out. It was NEVER going to happen. Iranian leadership have been planning for a US attack for more than 40 years. They had plans for succession in place if leadership was killed. Any resistance to the current government was destroyed in the recent purges and the people have been sufficiently cowed.

The Straits were OPEN until Dumb Donald started bombing the Iranians. So all the war has really accomplished is putting Iran in a position to control the Straits of Hormuz, and charge tolls for all ships using them. That's why IRAN has won this war.
Added to which, Iran gets billions of dollars and relief from the crippling sanctions as soon as the deal is signed.

You got NOTHING. And you're worse off in terms of the Straits of Hormuz than when you started.

 

[otto105]

Like I said, President Trump would of course support the people of Iran if they overthrew their government. It was NEVER a part of our military objectives.

We don’t care about Iran’s “promise” before the war, they were enriching uranium far beyond civilian use. So President Trump bombed their facilities into dust.

I don’t care what happens between Israel and Iran. Israel will continue to be warmongers and attempt to blow up the peace deal. Israel and Iran can bomb each other all day for all I care.

It was one of his stated reasons at start of war/conflict/world police action.

Ya know, when he was scrambling for war/conflict/world police reasons to justify going to war/conflict/world police action for Israel.

 

[IM2]

If they really had "nuclear aspirations", they would have already built the bomb. They have enough enriched uranium to build 11 bombs. If building a nuclear bomb was their goal, it would already have been achieved.

Trump told the Iranian people to seize the moment and get the Ayatollahs out. It was NEVER going to happen. Iranian leadership have been planning for a US attack for more than 40 years. They had plans for succession in place if leadership was killed. Any resistance to the current government was destroyed in the recent purges and the people have been sufficiently cowed.

The Straits were OPEN until Dumb Donald started bombing the Iranians. So all the war has really accomplished is putting Iran in a position to control the Straits of Hormuz, and charge tolls for all ships using them. That's why IRAN has won this war.
Added to which, Iran gets billions of dollars and relief from the crippling sanctions as soon as the deal is signed.

You got NOTHING. And you're worse off in terms of the Straits of Hormuz than when you started.

They made a religious Fatwa where they denounced the use of nuclear weapons. They were never going to build a nuclear weapon.

Tht might change now.

 

[kyzr]

They made a religious Fatwa where they denounced the use of nuclear weapons. They were never going to build a nuclear weapon.
That might change now.

...that Fatwa could have changed at any point for any reason, or for no reason, the fact that they were enriching uranium and developing ICBMs kind of let the world know their intentions.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

I think betraying the Iranian PEOPLE was a huge mistake that the world will not forget.
Telling the Iranian people to rise up and fight with no weapons and leaving them to face the Revolutionary guard when we stopped was a horrible signal and a massive betrayal.

 

[ElmerMudd]

But, here's teh thing.

You don't care.

Even if he succeeded on everything, you would still hate him and America with a fiery passion and side with Iran.

AND, you would find some way of shit talking against the victory.


Full disclosure, I don't really care either.

Anyone wants to bomb Iran, I figure they probably have a good reason.

Hell, if CHINA bombed Iran, I would probably not be up for making a big deal about it.

BULLSHIT

I give Trump credit to stop the uncontrolled flow of illegals in the USA.
I give him credit for having world drug dealers running scared but I don't like some of the things to do it.
I don't like what he has done to the US economy.
I don't like his extreme narcacissim, that lacks morality and ethics.
I don's like how he bullies our long time allies while kissing the butt of Putin and other worl dictators. (I will give him credit for NATO nations increasing military spend but as a whole he has damaged our relationship with NATO nations.
I don't like how he has been a war monger, not meeting his election promises.
HIS STARTING A WAR THAT HAS MADE WORLD PEACE WORSE AND WORL RELATIONS WORSE. NO DOUBT ONE OF THE WORST DECISIONS EVER MADE BY AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT. Especially after his criticism of Bush for taking us to war with Iraq because of the threat of weapons of mass destruction. He is doing the same thing with probable worse results than Iraq. His management of the Iran war is the worst management of a war in recent memory. Military did their job even though it was not sound reasoning for the war. After they did their job he has f##ked everything up.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Christ you're DUMB! Yes they did negotiate with Germany and Japan. ^^^ IDIOT ALERT, got a D- in history.

Educate yourself. You are really a dumbass. Germany signed an official surrender. Then the allies determined next steps. The US and Japan "negotiated" peace but Japan met most if not all of the US demands. Nothing like what is going on in Iran.

You cannot be this stupid. Yes you could. You are a Trump cult member. Get help.

 

[kyzr]

BULLSHIT

I give Trump credit to stop the uncontrolled flow of illegals in the USA.
I give him credit for having world drug dealers running scared but I don't like some of the things to do it.
I don't like what he has done to the US economy.
I don't like his extreme narcacissim, that lacks morality and ethics.
I don's like how he bullies our long time allies while kissing the butt of Putin and other world dictators. (I will give him credit for NATO nations increasing military spend but as a whole he has damaged our relationship with NATO nations.
I don't like how he has been a war monger, not meeting his election promises.
HIS STARTING A WAR THAT HAS MADE WORLD PEACE WORSE AND WORLD RELATIONS WORSE. NO DOUBT ONE OF THE WORST DECISIONS EVER MADE BY AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT. Especially after his criticism of Bush for taking us to war with Iraq because of the threat of weapons of mass destruction. He is doing the same thing with probable worse results than Iraq. His management of the Iran war is the worst management of a war in recent memory. Military did their job even though it was not sound reasoning for the war. After they did their job he has f##ked everything up.

I can give you a few more to consider below.
As for your "war monger" claim, Trump had the choice of war or let Iran get nuclear weapons and ICBMs.
It was and is the right decision. Iran can't be trusted with nuclear weapons.
As for the "war management" criticism, if you look at the US dead compared to Iraq or AFG, I believe Trump is treasuring US lives.

Border closed
Biggest middle class tax cut in history
3 million illegals deported
crime down
drug deaths down 200,000 for Trump’s 4-years
More seats in the house for the GOP is coming redistricting now supports the GOP.
Dow and NASDAQ at record highs
Private sector job growth federal jobs dropping
Iran nuclear weapon problem about to be solved
Energy policies that are constructive not destructive
balance of power in the world shifted in favor of America
Manufacturing investments at record highs many companies leaving Europe and coming here to avoid green energy high costs.
Strongest military on the world.
America and Venezuela now an ally control most of the world’s oil supply
DEI dead, identity politics dead, climate change dead
Men not allowed in women’s bathrooms or in women’s sports
Gender absurdity dead except in CA
Hundreds of thousands of US population fleeing democrats states to live in GOP states
Kamala Harris is the dem’s leading candidate for 2028

 

[BluesLegend]

Educate yourself.

Shut up stupid. Did we permit the Japanese to keep their emperor in the NEGOTIATIONS. FFS stop proving you are an idiot.

 

[Correll]

BULLSHIT

I give Trump credit to stop the uncontrolled flow of illegals in the USA.
I give him credit for having world drug dealers running scared but I don't like some of the things to do it.
I don't like what he has done to the US economy.
I don't like his extreme narcacissim, that lacks morality and ethics.
I don's like how he bullies our long time allies while kissing the butt of Putin and other worl dictators. (I will give him credit for NATO nations increasing military spend but as a whole he has damaged our relationship with NATO nations.
I don't like how he has been a war monger, not meeting his election promises.
HIS STARTING A WAR THAT HAS MADE WORLD PEACE WORSE AND WORL RELATIONS WORSE. NO DOUBT ONE OF THE WORST DECISIONS EVER MADE BY AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT. Especially after his criticism of Bush for taking us to war with Iraq because of the threat of weapons of mass destruction. He is doing the same thing with probable worse results than Iraq. His management of the Iran war is the worst management of a war in recent memory. Military did their job even though it was not sound reasoning for the war. After they did their job he has f##ked everything up.

Why is Trump responsible for Iran's actions?

 

[theHawk]

Absolute double bullshit.
Trump said in January 2026
"Iranian Patriots, KEEP PROTESTING - TAKE OVER YOUR INSTITUTIONS!!! ... HELP IS ON ITS WAY."
Keep protesting, don't be intimidated by the regime, the U.S. supports you, the world is watching, and those responsible for repression will eventually be held accountable.

US intellegence, after years of assesing what would take to overthrow the Iranian regime

1. A unified alternative government would be needed
   • this would be difficult because oppossession to the regime was diverse and fragmented.
2. Killing top leaders would probably not collapse the system
3. Internal defections would be critical
4. Outside military action alone was unlikely to achieve regime change
5. The Iraq lesson loomed large
   • Since the 2003 Iraq invasion, many U.S. analysts have warned that toppling a government is often easier than establishing a stable successor government.

Netanyahus told Trump, that once the top of the regime was eliminated, the internal resistence would take over quickly.

TRUMP SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BOMBING THE CRAP OUT OF IRAN AND TOP LEADERS WAS NOT ENOUGH HELP OF WHAT THE RESISTENCE NEEDED.

RESULT- ONE OF THE WORST DECISIONS BY A US PRESIDENT. HE IGNORED THE INTELLIGENCE PROVIDED BY US SECURITY AGENCIES.


EDUCATE YOURSELF. USE MANY RESOURCES. NOT JUST ONE OR TWO.

Oh do shut the hell up. If President Trump starts bombing Iran again, you’ll scream and howl like you always have at every move he makes.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Oh do shut the hell up. If President Trump starts bombing Iran again, you’ll scream and howl like you always have at every move he makes.

In a world saturated with digital noise, finding the truth requires moving away from headlines and actively engaging in deliberate verification. The most reliable modern approach combines cross-referencing across credible platforms, applying critical thinking, and managing personal biases. [1, 2, 3, 4]

If you don't, you end up being an uneducated dumbass like you, making the wrong conclusions on what is going on in the world around you.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Why is Trump responsible for Iran's actions?

Trump is responsible for Iran's bad actions that were a result of deciding to bomb them. They closed the straits of Hormuz as a result of being bombed by the USA. They bombed US air bases in the middle east as a result of being bombed by the USA. It resulted in the loss of 13 US service members. They bombed middle eastern countries, who house US air bases, as a result of being bombed by the USA. They downed a US helicopter as a result of being bombed by the USA. The US and world cost of gasoline, diesel, fertilizer and other things sky rocketed as a result of Iran being bombed by the USA. Inflation has doubled in the USA as a result of USA bombing Iran. There is more.
Bad actions caused by US bombing must be cleaned up by the USA.

 

[Correll]

Trump is responsible for Iran's bad actions that were a result of deciding to bomb them.

that is not a rational thing to say. Iran is still responsible for Iran's actions.

They closed the straits of Hormuz as a result of being bombed by the USA.

The straits are international waters. That is not a military move against America, that is more of a terror tactic against the world.

That is not a legitimate response to a military attack by America.

That you support their action, or blame America for it, is you saying that Iran is not bound by international law.

They bombed US air bases in the middle east as a result of being bombed by the USA.

A military response against military targets of a nation attacking you militarily, is completely reasonable and legal. Iran is of course responsible for that decision and that action.

It resulted in the loss of 13 US service members.

Military personell are obvious valid targets during a war. Iran is of course responsible for that decision and that action.

They bombed middle eastern countries, who house US air bases, as a result of being bombed by the USA.

A grey area. Those nations might allow US bases, but that does not mean that they are part of the war against Iran. a more reasonable nation would be concerned about drawing more enemies into a war that they are already losing. Iran is of course responsible for that decision and that action.

They downed a US helicopter as a result of being bombed by the USA.

Again, military aircraft would be valid targets during a war. Iran is of course responsible for that decision and that action.

The US and world cost of gasoline, diesel, fertilizer and other things sky rocketed as a result of Iran being bombed by the USA.

There is a quite a disconnect between being bombed by America and deciding to **** up the entire world economy, causing harm to innocent people all over the world.

Inflation has doubled in the USA as a result of USA bombing Iran.

To teh extent that Iran's moves caused economic harm to teh US, that would be a valid move, during a war.

BUT, to the extent that Iran's actions caused econonic harm to the vast majority of the world that is NOT part of the US operations against them, that is NOT a valid, legitimate move, during a war.

IRAN is responsible, morally and legally for it's own actions.

It is utterly irrational to blame America for Iran's actions. It shows an utter bias, even emnity against America, to the point that you are not a rational person, at least on this issue.

There is more.
Bad actions caused by US bombing must be cleaned up by the USA.

Nothing is Iran's fault, everything is America's fault.

That makes no sense.

THe only way it could make sense, is if for some reason, the leadership of Iran is not morally or legally responsible for their own actions, as though they are children or escaped mental patients,

and America is the world's.... daddy. Even world's policeman would not cover it. You don't expect policement to clean up after the criminals.


Daddies, you would expect your daddy to come and clean up after a criminal or madman made a mess.


IS this your position? That Iran (and who else) are not mentally adult or rational actors, who are able to behave in sane or even civilized fashions


and that America is the world's daddy?

 

[ElmerMudd]

that is not a rational thing to say. Iran is still responsible for Iran's actions.




The straits are international waters. That is not a military move against America, that is more of a terror tactic against the world.

That is not a legitimate response to a military attack by America.

That you support their action, or blame America for it, is you saying that Iran is not bound by international law.




A military response against military targets of a nation attacking you militarily, is completely reasonable and legal. Iran is of course responsible for that decision and that action.



Military personell are obvious valid targets during a war. Iran is of course responsible for that decision and that action.




A grey area. Those nations might allow US bases, but that does not mean that they are part of the war against Iran. a more reasonable nation would be concerned about drawing more enemies into a war that they are already losing. Iran is of course responsible for that decision and that action.



Again, military aircraft would be valid targets during a war. Iran is of course responsible for that decision and that action.


There is a quite a disconnect between being bombed by America and deciding to **** up the entire world economy, causing harm to innocent people all over the world.






To teh extent that Iran's moves caused economic harm to teh US, that would be a valid move, during a war.

BUT, to the extent that Iran's actions caused econonic harm to the vast majority of the world that is NOT part of the US operations against them, that is NOT a valid, legitimate move, during a war.

IRAN is responsible, morally and legally for it's own actions.

It is utterly irrational to blame America for Iran's actions. It shows an utter bias, even emnity against America, to the point that you are not a rational person, at least on this issue.






Nothing is Iran's fault, everything is America's fault.

That makes no sense.

THe only way it could make sense, is if for some reason, the leadership of Iran is not morally or legally responsible for their own actions, as though they are children or escaped mental patients,

and America is the world's.... daddy. Even world's policeman would not cover it. You don't expect policement to clean up after the criminals.


Daddies, you would expect your daddy to come and clean up after a criminal or madman made a mess.


IS this your position? That Iran (and who else) are not mentally adult or rational actors, who are able to behave in sane or even civilized fashions


and that America is the world's daddy?

that is not a rational thing to say. Iran is still responsible for Iran's actions.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A GREAT MILITARY MIND BUT GENERAL COLIN POWELL TOLD BUSH, ABOUT IRAQ, YOU BREAK IT YOU OWN IT. I WILL FOLLOW POWELL OVER YOU
The straits are international waters. That is not a military move against America, that is more of a terror tactic against the world.
That is not a legitimate response to a military attack by America.
That you support their action, or blame America for it, is you saying that Iran is not bound by international law.
PAY A
TTENTION. TERRORIST TACTICS HAVE BEEN PART OF WAR STRATEGY FOR DECADES. IRAN NEVER TRIED IT BEFORE. NOW IT IS A PROVEN TERRORIST ACTION THEY CAN USE IN WAR AND TO FLEX THEIR MUSCLE WORLDWIDE
A military response against military targets of a nation attacking you militarily, is completely reasonable and legal. Iran is of course responsible for that decision and that action.
IF THEY HAD NOT BEEN BOMBED THEY WOULD NOT DO IT. ALL WAR STRATEGY AND DECISIONS INCUDE RISK ASSESSMENT OF HOW THE ENEMY WILL RESPOND.
There is a quite a disconnect between being bombed by America and deciding to **** up the entire world economy, causing harm to innocent people all over the world.
A GREAT WAR STRATEGY IS TO HAVE OTHER COUNTRIES PUT PRESSURE ON YOUR ATTACKER BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING HURT BY THE FALL OUT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. THE SAD PART OF ALL WARS IS INNOCENT PEOPLE GET KILLED. MANY INNOCENT IRANIANS WERE KILLED BECAUSE OF OUR BOMBING, INCLUDING CHILDREN
IRAN is responsible, morally and legally for it's own actions.
YES THEY ARE BUT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CAUSATION OF THEIR IMMORAL ACTS.
Nothing is Iran's fault, everything is America's fault.
MANY THINGS ARE IRAN'S FAULT. THEIR ACTIONS HAVE GIVEN EVERY US PRESIDENT REASON TO CONSIDER ELIMINATING THE REGIME AND GETTING RID OF THEIR NUCLEAR CAPABILITIES. BUT OTHER PRESIDENT'S REALIZED THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE HOW IRAN RESPONDED. THE DECISION WAS MADE THE RISKS OF THE RETRIBUTION, MONETARY AND MOST OF ALL HUMAN LIVES (ARE MILITARY) WAS NOT WORTH IT. TRUMP ACTED BEFORE HE THOUGHT IT THROUGH, LIKE HE DOES MOST THINGS.
IS this your position? That Iran (and who else) are not mentally adult or rational actors, who are able to behave in sane or even civilized fashions
IT IS MY POSITION IS THE IRANIAN REGIME IS EVIL.THEY ARE ONE OF THE WORST ACTORS OF THE WORLD'S NATIONS. BUT THIS EVIL, HORRIFIC REGIME HAS COME UP WITH A WAR STRATEGY THAT IS BETTER THAN THE US"S WAR STRATEGY. HOW CAN THE MOST POWERFUL NATION IN THE WORLD BE SETTING IN THE POSITON THEY ARE NOW. NEGOTIATING WITH IRAN, OFFERING THEM GREAT INCENTIVES FOR PEACE. AS A RESULT IRAN LOOKS STRONGER ON THE WORLD STAGE THAN THEY DID BEFORE THE WAR AND THE USA LOOKS WEAKER. IRAN IS WINNING BY NOT LOSING. THE REGIME IS STILL HORRIFIC. THAT DOES NOT MAAKE THEM DUMB.

 

[eagle1462010]

that is not a rational thing to say. Iran is still responsible for Iran's actions.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A GREAT MILITARY MIND BUT GENERAL COLIN POWELL TOLD BUSH, ABOUT IRAQ, YOU BREAK IT YOU OWN IT. I WILL FOLLOW POWELL OVER YOU
The straits are international waters. That is not a military move against America, that is more of a terror tactic against the world.
That is not a legitimate response to a military attack by America.
That you support their action, or blame America for it, is you saying that Iran is not bound by international law.
PAY A
TTENTION. TERRORIST TACTICS HAVE BEEN PART OF WAR STRATEGY FOR DECADES. IRAN NEVER TRIED IT BEFORE. NOW IT IS A PROVEN TERRORIST ACTION THEY CAN USE IN WAR AND TO FLEX THEIR MUSCLE WORLDWIDE
A military response against military targets of a nation attacking you militarily, is completely reasonable and legal. Iran is of course responsible for that decision and that action.
IF THEY HAD NOT BEEN BOMBED THEY WOULD NOT DO IT. ALL WAR STRATEGY AND DECISIONS INCUDE RISK ASSESSMENT OF HOW THE ENEMY WILL RESPOND.
There is a quite a disconnect between being bombed by America and deciding to **** up the entire world economy, causing harm to innocent people all over the world.
A GREAT WAR STRATEGY IS TO HAVE OTHER COUNTRIES PUT PRESSURE ON YOUR ATTACKER BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING HURT BY THE FALL OUT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. THE SAD PART OF ALL WARS IS INNOCENT PEOPLE GET KILLED. MANY INNOCENT IRANIANS WERE KILLED BECAUSE OF OUR BOMBING, INCLUDING CHILDREN
IRAN is responsible, morally and legally for it's own actions.
YES THEY ARE BUT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CAUSATION OF THEIR IMMORAL ACTS.
Nothing is Iran's fault, everything is America's fault.
MANY THINGS ARE IRAN'S FAULT. THEIR ACTIONS HAVE GIVEN EVERY US PRESIDENT REASON TO CONSIDER ELIMINATING THE REGIME AND GETTING RID OF THEIR NUCLEAR CAPABILITIES. BUT OTHER PRESIDENT'S REALIZED THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE HOW IRAN RESPONDED. THE DECISION WAS MADE THE RISKS OF THE RETRIBUTION, MONETARY AND MOST OF ALL HUMAN LIVES (ARE MILITARY) WAS NOT WORTH IT. TRUMP ACTED BEFORE HE THOUGHT IT THROUGH, LIKE HE DOES MOST THINGS.
IS this your position? That Iran (and who else) are not mentally adult or rational actors, who are able to behave in sane or even civilized fashions
IT IS MY POSITION IS THE IRANIAN REGIME IS EVIL.THEY ARE ONE OF THE WORST ACTORS OF THE WORLD'S NATIONS. BUT THIS EVIL, HORRIFIC REGIME HAS COME UP WITH A WAR STRATEGY THAT IS BETTER THAN THE US"S WAR STRATEGY. HOW CAN THE MOST POWERFUL NATION IN THE WORLD BE SETTING IN THE POSITON THEY ARE NOW. NEGOTIATING WITH IRAN, OFFERING THEM GREAT INCENTIVES FOR PEACE. AS A RESULT IRAN LOOKS STRONGER ON THE WORLD STAGE THAN THEY DID BEFORE THE WAR AND THE USA LOOKS WEAKER. IRAN IS WINNING BY NOT LOSING. THE REGIME IS STILL HORRIFIC. THAT DOES NOT MAAKE THEM DUMB.

They are 12ers. Fck em

 

[Correll]

that is not a rational thing to say. Iran is still responsible for Iran's actions.

Yet, you want to hold Trump responsible for Iran's actions. YOu will give Iran a pass on their bad behavior and blame Trump for it, adn the results of their behavior.

I say this, before I read the rest of your post. AS we go though it, I will point out, that you do this, over adn over again.

I KNOW YOU HAVE A GREAT MILITARY MIND BUT GENERAL COLIN POWELL TOLD BUSH, ABOUT IRAQ, YOU BREAK IT YOU OWN IT. I WILL FOLLOW POWELL OVER YOU

Vague, but clearly, you are blaming TRump here, for the results of Iran's actions.

The straits are international waters. That is not a military move against America, that is more of a terror tactic against the world.
That is not a legitimate response to a military attack by America.
That you support their action, or blame America for it, is you saying that Iran is not bound by international law.
PAY A
TTENTION. TERRORIST TACTICS HAVE BEEN PART OF WAR STRATEGY FOR DECADES. IRAN NEVER TRIED IT BEFORE. NOW IT IS A PROVEN TERRORIST ACTION THEY CAN USE IN WAR AND TO FLEX THEIR MUSCLE WORLDWIDE

Note here that you admit that Iran's closing of the straits is a terrorist tactic. But you put no onus on them for it.

You certainly don't condemn them, nor call for consequences for them. NO responsiblity there.

A military response against military targets of a nation attacking you militarily, is completely reasonable and legal. Iran is of course responsible for that decision and that action.
IF THEY HAD NOT BEEN BOMBED THEY WOULD NOT DO IT. ALL WAR STRATEGY AND DECISIONS INCUDE RISK ASSESSMENT OF HOW THE ENEMY WILL RESPOND.

Here you put the responsibility on the person who "Bombed" ie Trump and America. Not Iran. You are doing exactly what I said you were doing, and exactly what you said you were not doing.

There is a quite a disconnect between being bombed by America and deciding to **** up the entire world economy, causing harm to innocent people all over the world.
A GREAT WAR STRATEGY IS TO HAVE OTHER COUNTRIES PUT PRESSURE ON YOUR ATTACKER BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING HURT BY THE FALL OUT. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED. THE SAD PART OF ALL WARS IS INNOCENT PEOPLE GET KILLED. MANY INNOCENT IRANIANS WERE KILLED BECAUSE OF OUR BOMBING, INCLUDING CHILDREN

Great post here. I completely agree that the strategy was effective.

NOte that you, when discussing AMERICA'S warmaking, mention the innocent children killed in our bombing. Really driving home the moral responsiblity of our actions.

BUT, when you are discussing Iran's closing of the straits, which you admit is a TERRORIST ACTION, you make no such emotional arguments.

You discuss how "great" their strategy was, from an effectiveness lens, but put no moral cost to it.

Very revealing as to who's side you are on.

I guess you got a soft spot in your heart for THEOCRACY?

IRAN is responsible, morally and legally for it's own actions.
YES THEY ARE BUT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CAUSATION OF THEIR IMMORAL ACTS.

You say that, becasue otherwise people can see how you are just on teh side of the enemy and are not making any sense.

but you don't actually put any moral or legal responsibility on them. You put it on Trump and America.

Nothing is Iran's fault, everything is America's fault.
,,,BUT OTHER PRESIDENT'S REALIZED THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE HOW IRAN RESPONDED. ....

SOrry to cut so much, but this is the money shot. Here you come right out and admit it. speaking of the other presidents, you state, your view on the matter...

"PRESIDENTS...REALIZED THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE HOW IRAN RESPONDED".


The foundation of hte lefts, really the world's view on this, is based on a very weird and wrong ...foundation.

ie that America is responsible for Iran's actions.

Why they, and even much of WE think that, is the point, IN MY OPINION.


That needs discussed and unpacked. We need to understand why the so much of the world is thinking like that.

IS this your position? That Iran (and who else) are not mentally adult or rational actors, who are able to behave in sane or even civilized fashions
IT IS MY POSITION IS THE IRANIAN REGIME IS EVIL.THEY ARE ONE OF THE WORST ACTORS OF THE WORLD'S NATIONS.

Finally, some... sensible moral comments on the Iranian government. Good for you.

BUT THIS EVIL, HORRIFIC REGIME HAS COME UP WITH A WAR STRATEGY THAT IS BETTER THAN THE US"S WAR STRATEGY.

Better is a strong word here. I don't know that Iran is getting more of their desired goals than we are. A lot of their shit is reduced to scrap metal and a lot of their people are dead and they are not getting much pay back for any of that.

HOW CAN THE MOST POWERFUL NATION IN THE WORLD BE SETTING IN THE POSITON THEY ARE NOW. NEGOTIATING WITH IRAN, OFFERING THEM GREAT INCENTIVES FOR PEACE. AS A RESULT IRAN LOOKS STRONGER ON THE WORLD STAGE THAN THEY DID BEFORE THE WAR AND THE USA LOOKS WEAKER. IRAN IS WINNING BY NOT LOSING. THE REGIME IS STILL HORRIFIC. THAT DOES NOT MAAKE THEM DUMB.

Now, THAT'S a good question. A very DEEP question. And one that is not served by partisan shit talk about Trump.

YOu serious about discussing that one, or did you just stumble on it by accident?

I don't want to dive in and get my hopes up of a real meaty debate and then have you come back with ORANGE MAN BAD.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Yet, you want to hold Trump responsible for Iran's actions. YOu will give Iran a pass on their bad behavior and blame Trump for it, adn the results of their behavior.

I say this, before I read the rest of your post. AS we go though it, I will point out, that you do this, over adn over again.





Vague, but clearly, you are blaming TRump here, for the results of Iran's actions.




Note here that you admit that Iran's closing of the straits is a terrorist tactic. But you put no onus on them for it.

You certainly don't condemn them, nor call for consequences for them. NO responsiblity there.






Here you put the responsibility on the person who "Bombed" ie Trump and America. Not Iran. You are doing exactly what I said you were doing, and exactly what you said you were not doing.





Great post here. I completely agree that the strategy was effective.

NOte that you, when discussing AMERICA'S warmaking, mention the innocent children killed in our bombing. Really driving home the moral responsiblity of our actions.

BUT, when you are discussing Iran's closing of the straits, which you admit is a TERRORIST ACTION, you make no such emotional arguments.

You discuss how "great" their strategy was, from an effectiveness lens, but put no moral cost to it.

Very revealing as to who's side you are on.

I guess you got a soft spot in your heart for THEOCRACY?






You say that, becasue otherwise people can see how you are just on teh side of the enemy and are not making any sense.

but you don't actually put any moral or legal responsibility on them. You put it on Trump and America.




SOrry to cut so much, but this is the money shot. Here you come right out and admit it. speaking of the other presidents, you state, your view on the matter...

"PRESIDENTS...REALIZED THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE HOW IRAN RESPONDED".


The foundation of hte lefts, really the world's view on this, is based on a very weird and wrong ...foundation.

ie that America is responsible for Iran's actions.

Why they, and even much of WE think that, is the point, IN MY OPINION.


That needs discussed and unpacked. We need to understand why the so much of the world is thinking like that.




Finally, some... sensible moral comments on the Iranian government. Good for you.




Better is a strong word here. I don't know that Iran is getting more of their desired goals than we are. A lot of their shit is reduced to scrap metal and a lot of their people are dead and they are not getting much pay back for any of that.



Now, THAT'S a good question. A very DEEP question. And one that is not served by partisan shit talk about Trump.

YOu serious about discussing that one, or did you just stumble on it by accident?

I don't want to dive in and get my hopes up of a real meaty debate and then have you come back with ORANGE MAN BAD.

You are arguing against what Trump said about Bush's action's against Iraq. I am saying what Trump said about Bush but Trump decision was made worse.
" Trump has repeatedly called the 2003 invasion the worst decision any U.S. president has ever made, often likening the invasion to "throwing a big fat brick into a hornet’s nest". [1, 2, 3]
TRUMP THREW A BRICK INTO A HORNET'S NEST MAKING HIM RESPONSIBLE WHAT THE HORNETS DO **** HE SAID ABOUT BUSH
Destabilization of the Middle East:
Trump frequently argues that the war served to destabilize the entire region, acting as the catalyst for the rise of ISIS, as well as the conflicts in Syria and Libya. [1, 2]
BACK AT YOU DONALD TRUMP
The war cost too many lives and too much money.
BACK AT YOU DONALD TRUMP

MAGA THINKING -TRUMP DOES IT GOOD - SOMEONE ELSE DOES THE SAME THEN IT IS BAD

YOU ARE LOYAL TO TRUMP NOT THE USA