Do you want the President to Fail?

[Navy1960]

"So what is so strange about saying I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to reconstruct and reform this nation so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation?” Rush Limbaugh

After a recent posting by someone that assumed that because I was calling for the resignation of the Homeland Security Director I somehow wanted the President to fail, it made me think about the issue itself. First because I do not listen to Rush Limbaugh I had to see exactly what the original statement was and as I suspected it was very different from what has been tossed around. Of course someone would wish failure upon someone if their aims were to take away their liberties, in fact I doubt you would find many on the left who would disagree that if the statement was making reference to President Bush and is was talking about healhcare and domestic wiretaps that that same wish can be applied. The deeper question though, is to take from that policy wish an overall wish of failure upon the President himself, Speaking only for myself, a President ANY President that leads the nation into peace and provides for a strong economy regardless of who that is including our current President would have my full support, because when that President is successful then we all are. While many of us may disagree on policy issues and the Presidents intentions as to those policy issues, those are disagreements on policy and NOT a wish of overall failure. Frankly, I find it sad when people who in their political blindness would even consider such a notion as to wish a President ill and not be able to distunguish between disagreements on policy and a wish for failure. It's my hope that President Obama does change Washington like he said he would, and change it so that it is fiscally responsbile, and looks out after the safety of all Americans as well as get the economy back in order, and when this Preisdent does not then I will disagree with him as I tend to do more often than not. However, I have great respect for the President because he is my President even though I did not vote for him much like the last President like it or not was everyones President. If we as a nation hope to accomplish anything , then we must at least take into consideration that there will be those that do not agree on issues but that disagreement does not have to equal disrespect it only does when we let it.

 

[uscitizen]

IF his mission.....

 

[noose4]

Only a treasonous piece of garbage or an al quaeda member would hope that the American president fails.

 

[Annie]

I don't want 'him' to fail, just the policies that I don't agree with, including the kowtowing to terrorists and their sponsors.

As much as one hears about 'hoping the president fails', I'd like to see some concern about the country failing, cause it is.

 

[Luissa]

I don't want 'him' to fail, just the policies that I don't agree with, including the kowtowing to terrorists and their sponsors.

As much as one hears about 'hoping the president fails', I'd like to see some concern about the country failing, cause it is.

I guess killing terrorists is kowtowing these days!

And now I don't want him to fail and I didn't want Bush to either.

 

[Si modo]

No. But some of his policies NEED to fail.

 

[namvet]

he needs no help. looks like to me he's failing on his own.

 

[rightwinger]

I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to reconstruct and reform this nation so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation?” Rush Limbaugh

Does anyone other than Limbaugh actually believe that Obama want to remove capitalism as the foundation of our economy? Do you know how ridiculous that is? Does anyone have any idea of the scope of our economy and what it would take to remove capitalism from it? The rightwing fear mongering that any program that helps working Americans constitutes the US becoming a Socialist economy does not justify this wild assertion

Secondly, Does anyone other than Limbaugh believe that President Obama is looking to remove individual liberty as a foundation of this country? More fear mongering from the right wing.

 

[Navy1960]

Here is a story about respecting a President, near the end of Naval career during the Clinton Administration a very close friend lost his grandfather to old age. He knew very little of his grandfather other than he served in WW2 and little else. Prior to the funeral I made a few calls and discovered that my friends grandfather had had a remarkable career during the war and was decorated many many times. After learning this, I called the commanding general of the 82nd Airborne and had a conversation with him about the man requesting a flag be sent to his relatives. A few months went bye and my friend went to the mail box one day and there was a letter from the White House in it, when he opened it, he found one of the most heartfelt hand written thank you's from Commander in Chief it has ever been my high privledge to read. Now as many of you know I'm a long time Republican, however this little story enforced to me that the President is mine regardless of what party they belong too and deserves respect for that. Many of us are capable of seeing the difference between policies and hoping they doi not pass "fail" if you will and making the leap of faith that the same applies to the President himself, which speaking for myself here when my President is successful so is my nation.

 

[concept]

Yep I want this leftist empty suit to fail.

 

[rightwinger]

Here is a story about respecting a President, near the end of Naval career during the Clinton Administration a very close friend lost his grandfather to old age. He knew very little of his grandfather other than he served in WW2 and little else. Prior to the funeral I made a few calls and discovered that my friends grandfather had had a remarkable career during the war and was decorated many many times. After learning this, I called the commanding general of the 82nd Airborne and had a conversation with him about the man requesting a flag be sent to his relatives. A few months went bye and my friend went to the mail box one day and there was a letter from the White House in it, when he opened it, he found one of the most heartfelt hand written thank you's from Commander in Chief it has ever been my high privledge to read. Now as many of you know I'm a long time Republican, however this little story enforced to me that the President is mine regardless of what party they belong too and deserves respect for that. Many of us are capable of seeing the difference between policies and hoping they doi not pass "fail" if you will and making the leap of faith that the same applies to the President himself, which speaking for myself here when my President is successful so is my nation.

Beautiful story Navy...thanks

 

[namvet]

I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to reconstruct and reform this nation so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation?” Rush Limbaugh

Does anyone other than Limbaugh actually believe that Obama want to remove capitalism as the foundation of our economy? Do you know how ridiculous that is? Does anyone have any idea of the scope of our economy and what it would take to remove capitalism from it? The rightwing fear mongering that any program that helps working Americans constitutes the US becoming a Socialist economy does not justify this wild assertion

Secondly, Does anyone other than Limbaugh believe that President Obama is looking to remove individual liberty as a foundation of this country? More fear mongering from the right wing.

broken record time again

 

[Navy1960]

I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to reconstruct and reform this nation so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation?” Rush Limbaugh

Does anyone other than Limbaugh actually believe that Obama want to remove capitalism as the foundation of our economy? Do you know how ridiculous that is? Does anyone have any idea of the scope of our economy and what it would take to remove capitalism from it? The rightwing fear mongering that any program that helps working Americans constitutes the US becoming a Socialist economy does not justify this wild assertion

Secondly, Does anyone other than Limbaugh believe that President Obama is looking to remove individual liberty as a foundation of this country? More fear mongering from the right wing.

You know right, let me say this, what I find troubling is the party (Democrats) that championed and still does pro-choice as an individual liberty would be so quick as to take that same liberty away in the form of mandates on individuals? See what I mean?, while I don't think that the President himself has some devious plot to to have us all standing in bread lines for our monthly bread ration, I do think the policy tends to strip those individual liberties especially when it comes to healthcare, and the upcomming climate change bill which both you and I have debated. Rightly or wrongly, many believe that to take away a choice from Americans is taking away liberty and for many they would rather not have healthcare if that meant not having the liberty. What I also think too is the reckless spending on the part of BOTH parties has led this nation away from fiscally sound principles that promote a Free Market style economy like ours and by doing so the preception is and rightly so for some that we are creeping if you will to more of a European style or form of socialism. While this may not be the blame of the President, would you not agree that at least curbing this Free Spending and a little more bi-partisanship would go a long way in settling these fears or at least puttingt some of them to rest?

 

[rightwinger]

would you not agree that at least curbing this Free Spending and a little more bi-partisanship would go a long way in settling these fears or at least puttingt some of them to rest?

I would welcome ANYTHING that looks like bi-partisanship right now

In 2010, the Dems will, in all probability no longer have a super-majority. If we want to get anything done, we will need to stop the bull-shit and have Congress work together. As it is, it is more important to support your party than it is to do what is right for the country

 

[xsited1]

Do you want the President to Fail?

Heck no! That's why he's ordered several backup teleprompters.

 

[LuckyDan]

I take your point, Navy, and I respect it, but how can a President, or any leader, be considered separately from his policies?

In Afghanistan, yes I want him and his Generals to succeed. In Obamacare and greenhouse emissions legislation, I want him to fail in the sense that I hope his goals are not achieved.

There's a lot to be said for the idea of a loyal oppostiion.

 

[Navy1960]

would you not agree that at least curbing this Free Spending and a little more bi-partisanship would go a long way in settling these fears or at least puttingt some of them to rest?

I would welcome ANYTHING that looks like bi-partisanship right now

In 2010, the Dems will, in all probability no longer have a super-majority. If we want to get anything done, we will need to stop the bull-shit and have Congress work together. As it is, it is more important to support your party than it is to do what is right for the country

Think about this a moment , if your states Gov. and over 70% of your own residents are telling you to vote No on legislation and you ignore them and vote against their wishes , would you call that listening to the will of the people there? I agree with you that when congress on both sides of the Isle stop picking up the phone to K Street and asking them how to vote on issues first before the people they represent then we will all be much better for it. In fact to be honest even though I did not vote for President Obama the one thing that I was looking forward too was his commitment to clamping down on all the lobbying, but that never happened and if anything it's gotten worse. While we all may disagree on bills and policy, it would seem that a bill that effects every single American should have at least a vast majoirty of support don't you think?

 

[Navy1960]

I take your point, Navy, and I respect it, but how can a President, or any leader, be considered separately from his policies?

In Afghanistan, yes I want him and his Generals to succeed. In Obamacare and greenhouse emissions legislation, I want him to fail in the sense that I hope his goals are not achieved.

There's a lot to be said for the idea of a loyal oppostiion.

You see Dan thats what I'm talking about here though, there is a huge difference though between wishing a President ill will and faiilure and wishing that a policy we don't agree with fails. Let me cite you an example, the USAF Tanker program has been an unmitigated disaster to aquire a new Tanker for the Air Force for the last 10 years. After 4 attempts the USAF is going to try again, the Obama Administration happens to be a supporter of American built Military hardware whenever possible and one in which I agree with. So you see, if I were as a Boeing supporter in that bid wishing the President failure then it would be self defeating in this case. However, in the case of healthcare, and climate change, and a few others , of course I would not want those bills to pass as I disagree with them. However that does not equal wishing failure upon the President. In fact one can respect the office but it does not mean you have to automatically have to agree with the person in the Chair, thus the reason why he is called Mr. President out of Respect for the office, regardless of political views. Personally, being critical of our leaders at least to me is about as American as you can get, and if we as Americans were not able to call our leaders into question without being called unamerican or treasonous then we cease to be American.

 

[sealybobo]

Here is a story about respecting a President, near the end of Naval career during the Clinton Administration a very close friend lost his grandfather to old age. He knew very little of his grandfather other than he served in WW2 and little else. Prior to the funeral I made a few calls and discovered that my friends grandfather had had a remarkable career during the war and was decorated many many times. After learning this, I called the commanding general of the 82nd Airborne and had a conversation with him about the man requesting a flag be sent to his relatives. A few months went bye and my friend went to the mail box one day and there was a letter from the White House in it, when he opened it, he found one of the most heartfelt hand written thank you's from Commander in Chief it has ever been my high privledge to read. Now as many of you know I'm a long time Republican, however this little story enforced to me that the President is mine regardless of what party they belong too and deserves respect for that. Many of us are capable of seeing the difference between policies and hoping they doi not pass "fail" if you will and making the leap of faith that the same applies to the President himself, which speaking for myself here when my President is successful so is my nation.

I agree. I didn't bash Bush until 2003 when he started running for re election.

I remember getting my $400 in tax breaks and not being upset about it.

But then later I found out how much the rich were getting in tax breaks, how much we were going into debt for the wars we were lied into and all the bad de regulations that were leading to jobs going overseas and housing markets to crash and 401k's to tank.

But I remember being fully behind Bush, once I got over him stealing the election. I'd say I was behind Bush from 9-11-2001 until about 9-11-2003. I gave him 2 years. I trusted his conservative policies were going to work because remember, 9-11 caused the little recession to get worse. Ultimately he blew it.

But I know what you are saying. I agree.

 

[LuckyDan]

Couldn't agree more.

Still, there has always been a shrillness in many quarters in our national discourse, even in the earliest days, but our leaders usually stay above it. This White House, tho, has a way of getting into the thick of it. I'm thinking in particular of the recent WH vs. Fox News nonsense, and then BO's constant "graceless disparagements of his predecessor," as George WIll recently put it.

The POTUS is worthy of the respect that comes with the title, but he can still dishonor it. We certainly saw it with Clinton. BO still has time to rise to the title.