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Think is now been safely established that not only do many Americans not know the difference between socialism and communism - they don't actually know the difference between left and right.
Take care when biking around US army camps!
sorry thats not true and backed up by history,,,your graph is pretty close but the conservative republicans are on the left of center not the right,,,thats due to the constitution being the center and they wanting more government than the constitution allows,,,
What? First, the constitution is not in the middle.
The constitution is very much a right-wing document.
Under the constitution the powers of the Federal government are extremely limited. They are limited in a way, that no other government in world history had been limited. And even to this day, no government is as limited as ours is under the constitution.
This places the constitution clearly in the side of the right.
Further, saying conservatives and republicans are left of center, is a bit deceptive.
First, conservatives and republicans are not the same. Republicans are a group of politicians, while conservationism, is an ideology.
I'd be hard pressed to know a conservative that supports government run health care, or all the social programs, or so on.
Bush Jr supported partial privatization of the Social Security. That's about as right-wing a policy as you can get. Bush supported giving VA patients vouchers so they could go to private hospitals. Bush supported school choice and vouchers to do to charter and private schools.
So saying that conservatives are on the left, is not supportable by the facts.
The Constitution is the solid, unbreakable, wall at the far end of the right. People who make up shit like alt-right, right-wing extremist instead of authoritarian, right-wing white supremacist, etcetera are lying. Racism, white supremacy, and authoritarianism are all tools of the left. There is, in reality, the Constitution and left of the Constitution. In America, that's all there is.
thats true if I ignore the fact they did the articles of confederation first,,,the founders were close to full anarchist and thats proven by the articles of confederation and the phrase they went by,,,your graph is pretty close but the conservative republicans are on the left of center not the right,,,thats due to the constitution being the center and they wanting more government than the constitution allows,,,
What? First, the constitution is not in the middle.
The constitution is very much a right-wing document.
Under the constitution the powers of the Federal government are extremely limited. They are limited in a way, that no other government in world history had been limited. And even to this day, no government is as limited as ours is under the constitution.
This places the constitution clearly in the side of the right.
Further, saying conservatives and republicans are left of center, is a bit deceptive.
First, conservatives and republicans are not the same. Republicans are a group of politicians, while conservationism, is an ideology.
I'd be hard pressed to know a conservative that supports government run health care, or all the social programs, or so on.
Bush Jr supported partial privatization of the Social Security. That's about as right-wing a policy as you can get. Bush supported giving VA patients vouchers so they could go to private hospitals. Bush supported school choice and vouchers to do to charter and private schools.
So saying that conservatives are on the left, is not supportable by the facts.
CAN MAN GOVERN HIMSELF??? which means anarchy
THEY SETTLED ON THE CONSTITUTION BECAUSE they didnt account for stupid and greedy people,,
Wrong. They settled on the constitution because they DID account for stupid and greedy people. Anyone with a brain that considers anarchy will settle on government - either before or after trying anarchy - because of stupid and greedy people.
if repubes and the constitution are the far right then where do the libertarians and anarchist sit???
they are for less government than the constitution allows so wouldnt they be the right???
your stuck on the european scale not the american one
excuse me,,,but the republican party doesnt support free market,,they support government controlled capitalism,,which puts them firmly to the left of the constitution not the right,,,What you posted is leftwing propaganda. The origin of the term from the French revolution is irrelevant. All that matters is how they are used today. the only definition that makes any sense is that the left supports socialism and the right supports the free market. When you claim that bigotry and genocide are "rightwing" you only show that you're just another leftwing douchebag intent on smearing anyone who supports market economics.Since I didn't attempt to prove that the Nazis weren't Socialist you seem to be barking up the wrong tree. As for that fact placing them on the left I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's utter nonsense. I explained the origins of the left-right spectrum in this OP already and the parameters it uses to place ideologies. I will say what I said to another poster who disagreed with the placement of Nazism. Create your own spectrum and somehow manage to make it more popular than the classic left-right one. Until you do arbitrarily changing positions of an ideology because you happen to disagree is silly.You failed to prove that Nazism wasn't socialist and therefore leftwing. Whether that made them "notorious" is beside the point.I love that little switch you pulled here.Your graph is well screwed, You put National Socialism as extreme left, when everybody else has it as extreme right.
Marxism is international - anybody can be a Marxist.
National Socialism is as its name suggests nationalist and inverted - only very select people can be NS.
If you put Communist - you have to put Capitalist opposite.
Liberal and Libertarian are pretty much the same thing.
I didn't create the graph. I didn't "put National Socialism as extreme left."
And "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
You need to read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. I took notes on the fine book which eludes you and Leftists and "progressives" (sick) everywhere.
Liberals are fascists and libertarians describes our Founding Fathers, who cherished liberty and feared oppressive government, which liberals adore and promote, like they promote the butchery of innocent unborn babies.
put National Socialism as extreme left."If you don't think there's a difference between Socialism and National Socialism the internet is your friend. Definition of SOCIALISMnd "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
In short, Socialism is at its core a collection of political theories that deal with the role of government and economics. National Socialism is a VERY specific political ideology that had its heyday in Germany during the thirties and forties of the last century. It gained notoriety because it wasn't just authoritarian but also EXTREMELY nationalistic and bigoted in its policies to the point of committing genocide. Them being Socialists wasn't a factor of their notoriety.
Nazism | Definition, Leaders, Ideology, & History
Nazism, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in Germany, characterized by intense nationalism, mass appeal, dictatorial rule, and a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.www.britannica.com
I'll prove it. Which of these policies is the one you have a problem with? Nazis created a system where ordinary workers could go on the world's very first cruises. Nazi's slaughtered millions of Jews.
Tell me which of these is the problematic one?
You talk about defining a spectrum when you can't even define your own spectrum. You have no definition that doesn't consist solely of smears against the right.
You're a leftwing piece of shit.
well considering it violates all of the bill of rights I have no problem,,,I havent heard back from you,,,bigger government than the constitution allows,,,we can start with they vote for a party thats to the left of the constitution,,,so are you agreeing that republicans are left of the constitution???asked and answered,,,history doesnt support that,,,you completely ignored the founding of the country and what they considered and accepted,,,your graph is pretty close but the conservative republicans are on the left of center not the right,,,thats due to the constitution being the center and they wanting more government than the constitution allows,,,
What? First, the constitution is not in the middle.
The constitution is very much a right-wing document.
Under the constitution the powers of the Federal government are extremely limited. They are limited in a way, that no other government in world history had been limited. And even to this day, no government is as limited as ours is under the constitution.
This places the constitution clearly in the side of the right.
Further, saying conservatives and republicans are left of center, is a bit deceptive.
First, conservatives and republicans are not the same. Republicans are a group of politicians, while conservationism, is an ideology.
I'd be hard pressed to know a conservative that supports government run health care, or all the social programs, or so on.
Bush Jr supported partial privatization of the Social Security. That's about as right-wing a policy as you can get. Bush supported giving VA patients vouchers so they could go to private hospitals. Bush supported school choice and vouchers to do to charter and private schools.
So saying that conservatives are on the left, is not supportable by the facts.
the founders were close to full anarchist and thats proven by the articles of confederation and the phrase they went by,,,
CAN MAN GOVERN HIMSELF??? which means anarchy
THEY SETTLED ON THE CONSTITUTION BECAUSE they didnt account for stupid and greedy people,,
and please dont try and cherry pick singled out policies to support them,,
the overall of both parties is bigger government than the constitution allows,,,which means they are both to the left of the constitution,,
the right is libertarian to anarchist,,,
sorry but thats the facts and its backed up by history,,,
No, that is false. The problem was not that men were greedy, or that man can't govern himself, or anything like that.
The problem was the Federal government wasn't able to raise an effective army to defend the country as a whole. So they created the constitution.
Again, in what way are conservatives left of the constitutions?
republicans are to the left of the constitution because their platform and actions call for more government than the constitution allows,,,,
why conservatives vote for them can only be explained by the kool ade they drink,,,
Again, in what way are conservatives left of the constitutions?
I am growing tired of trying to have an intelligent conversation with you.
Be specific. In what way, are conservatives left of the constitution? NAME IT.
What way? Either shut up, or put up.
since youre the one ignoring history you shouldnt complain to me about having an intelligent conversation
You keep making statements you can't back up.
In what way are Conservatives left of the constitution. Name it.
What do you claim we want, that the constitution does not support?
bigger government,,,
Name how conservatives want what is "left of the constitution"?
I'm going to keep asking until you answer me.
can you say 'PATRIOT ACT"???
anything else you would like to know???
Believe it or not, I don't spend all day on forums. I have a life.
What part of the Patriot Act do you have an issue with? I really don't have an issue with the Patriot Act.
it also proves youre a left wing authoritarian by supporting it,,,
because conservatives mostly vote for the republican party and the republican party is to the left of the constitution by their actions make them leftist,,,thats true if I ignore the fact they did the articles of confederation first,,,the founders were close to full anarchist and thats proven by the articles of confederation and the phrase they went by,,,your graph is pretty close but the conservative republicans are on the left of center not the right,,,thats due to the constitution being the center and they wanting more government than the constitution allows,,,
What? First, the constitution is not in the middle.
The constitution is very much a right-wing document.
Under the constitution the powers of the Federal government are extremely limited. They are limited in a way, that no other government in world history had been limited. And even to this day, no government is as limited as ours is under the constitution.
This places the constitution clearly in the side of the right.
Further, saying conservatives and republicans are left of center, is a bit deceptive.
First, conservatives and republicans are not the same. Republicans are a group of politicians, while conservationism, is an ideology.
I'd be hard pressed to know a conservative that supports government run health care, or all the social programs, or so on.
Bush Jr supported partial privatization of the Social Security. That's about as right-wing a policy as you can get. Bush supported giving VA patients vouchers so they could go to private hospitals. Bush supported school choice and vouchers to do to charter and private schools.
So saying that conservatives are on the left, is not supportable by the facts.
CAN MAN GOVERN HIMSELF??? which means anarchy
THEY SETTLED ON THE CONSTITUTION BECAUSE they didnt account for stupid and greedy people,,
Wrong. They settled on the constitution because they DID account for stupid and greedy people. Anyone with a brain that considers anarchy will settle on government - either before or after trying anarchy - because of stupid and greedy people.
if repubes and the constitution are the far right then where do the libertarians and anarchist sit???
they are for less government than the constitution allows so wouldnt they be the right???
your stuck on the european scale not the american one
An interesting argument. I would agree libertarians are to the right of conservatives due to social issues. I'm not sure that means conservatives lean left however. I believe the Constitution and the conservatism are fairly entrenched on the the right, whatever that actually means.
because conservatives mostly vote for the republican party and the republican party is to the left of the constitution by their actions make them leftist,,,thats true if I ignore the fact they did the articles of confederation first,,,the founders were close to full anarchist and thats proven by the articles of confederation and the phrase they went by,,,your graph is pretty close but the conservative republicans are on the left of center not the right,,,thats due to the constitution being the center and they wanting more government than the constitution allows,,,
What? First, the constitution is not in the middle.
The constitution is very much a right-wing document.
Under the constitution the powers of the Federal government are extremely limited. They are limited in a way, that no other government in world history had been limited. And even to this day, no government is as limited as ours is under the constitution.
This places the constitution clearly in the side of the right.
Further, saying conservatives and republicans are left of center, is a bit deceptive.
First, conservatives and republicans are not the same. Republicans are a group of politicians, while conservationism, is an ideology.
I'd be hard pressed to know a conservative that supports government run health care, or all the social programs, or so on.
Bush Jr supported partial privatization of the Social Security. That's about as right-wing a policy as you can get. Bush supported giving VA patients vouchers so they could go to private hospitals. Bush supported school choice and vouchers to do to charter and private schools.
So saying that conservatives are on the left, is not supportable by the facts.
CAN MAN GOVERN HIMSELF??? which means anarchy
THEY SETTLED ON THE CONSTITUTION BECAUSE they didnt account for stupid and greedy people,,
Wrong. They settled on the constitution because they DID account for stupid and greedy people. Anyone with a brain that considers anarchy will settle on government - either before or after trying anarchy - because of stupid and greedy people.
if repubes and the constitution are the far right then where do the libertarians and anarchist sit???
they are for less government than the constitution allows so wouldnt they be the right???
your stuck on the european scale not the american one
An interesting argument. I would agree libertarians are to the right of conservatives due to social issues. I'm not sure that means conservatives lean left however. I believe the Constitution and the conservatism are fairly entrenched on the the right, whatever that actually means.
sorry but trying to deregulate a few things doesnt make a differenceexcuse me,,,but the republican party doesnt support free market,,they support government controlled capitalism,,which puts them firmly to the left of the constitution not the right,,,What you posted is leftwing propaganda. The origin of the term from the French revolution is irrelevant. All that matters is how they are used today. the only definition that makes any sense is that the left supports socialism and the right supports the free market. When you claim that bigotry and genocide are "rightwing" you only show that you're just another leftwing douchebag intent on smearing anyone who supports market economics.Since I didn't attempt to prove that the Nazis weren't Socialist you seem to be barking up the wrong tree. As for that fact placing them on the left I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's utter nonsense. I explained the origins of the left-right spectrum in this OP already and the parameters it uses to place ideologies. I will say what I said to another poster who disagreed with the placement of Nazism. Create your own spectrum and somehow manage to make it more popular than the classic left-right one. Until you do arbitrarily changing positions of an ideology because you happen to disagree is silly.You failed to prove that Nazism wasn't socialist and therefore leftwing. Whether that made them "notorious" is beside the point.I love that little switch you pulled here.Your graph is well screwed, You put National Socialism as extreme left, when everybody else has it as extreme right.
Marxism is international - anybody can be a Marxist.
National Socialism is as its name suggests nationalist and inverted - only very select people can be NS.
If you put Communist - you have to put Capitalist opposite.
Liberal and Libertarian are pretty much the same thing.
I didn't create the graph. I didn't "put National Socialism as extreme left."
And "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
You need to read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. I took notes on the fine book which eludes you and Leftists and "progressives" (sick) everywhere.
Liberals are fascists and libertarians describes our Founding Fathers, who cherished liberty and feared oppressive government, which liberals adore and promote, like they promote the butchery of innocent unborn babies.
put National Socialism as extreme left."If you don't think there's a difference between Socialism and National Socialism the internet is your friend. Definition of SOCIALISMnd "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
In short, Socialism is at its core a collection of political theories that deal with the role of government and economics. National Socialism is a VERY specific political ideology that had its heyday in Germany during the thirties and forties of the last century. It gained notoriety because it wasn't just authoritarian but also EXTREMELY nationalistic and bigoted in its policies to the point of committing genocide. Them being Socialists wasn't a factor of their notoriety.Nazism | Definition, Leaders, Ideology, & History
Nazism, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in Germany, characterized by intense nationalism, mass appeal, dictatorial rule, and a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.
I'll prove it. Which of these policies is the one you have a problem with? Nazis created a system where ordinary workers could go on the world's very first cruises. Nazi's slaughtered millions of Jews.
Tell me which of these is the problematic one?
You talk about defining a spectrum when you can't even define your own spectrum. You have no definition that doesn't consist solely of smears against the right.
You're a leftwing piece of shit.
Then why did Trump just pass deregulation a few years back?
We've been pushing for deregulation for years.
I think you are confusing 'goals' with 'results'. The reality is, there are competing forces within our government, that oppose each other on nearly every level, and that means we don't always get what we want.
But not getting what we want, doesn't mean we didn't want it, or that we were not in support of the goal.
yes I do,,,and whe n I am I will admitbecause conservatives mostly vote for the republican party and the republican party is to the left of the constitution by their actions make them leftist,,,thats true if I ignore the fact they did the articles of confederation first,,,the founders were close to full anarchist and thats proven by the articles of confederation and the phrase they went by,,,your graph is pretty close but the conservative republicans are on the left of center not the right,,,thats due to the constitution being the center and they wanting more government than the constitution allows,,,
What? First, the constitution is not in the middle.
The constitution is very much a right-wing document.
Under the constitution the powers of the Federal government are extremely limited. They are limited in a way, that no other government in world history had been limited. And even to this day, no government is as limited as ours is under the constitution.
This places the constitution clearly in the side of the right.
Further, saying conservatives and republicans are left of center, is a bit deceptive.
First, conservatives and republicans are not the same. Republicans are a group of politicians, while conservationism, is an ideology.
I'd be hard pressed to know a conservative that supports government run health care, or all the social programs, or so on.
Bush Jr supported partial privatization of the Social Security. That's about as right-wing a policy as you can get. Bush supported giving VA patients vouchers so they could go to private hospitals. Bush supported school choice and vouchers to do to charter and private schools.
So saying that conservatives are on the left, is not supportable by the facts.
CAN MAN GOVERN HIMSELF??? which means anarchy
THEY SETTLED ON THE CONSTITUTION BECAUSE they didnt account for stupid and greedy people,,
Wrong. They settled on the constitution because they DID account for stupid and greedy people. Anyone with a brain that considers anarchy will settle on government - either before or after trying anarchy - because of stupid and greedy people.
if repubes and the constitution are the far right then where do the libertarians and anarchist sit???
they are for less government than the constitution allows so wouldnt they be the right???
your stuck on the european scale not the american one
An interesting argument. I would agree libertarians are to the right of conservatives due to social issues. I'm not sure that means conservatives lean left however. I believe the Constitution and the conservatism are fairly entrenched on the the right, whatever that actually means.
You have the right to be wrong. I'm not going to argue your stupidity anymore.
sorry but trying to deregulate a few things doesnt make a differenceexcuse me,,,but the republican party doesnt support free market,,they support government controlled capitalism,,which puts them firmly to the left of the constitution not the right,,,What you posted is leftwing propaganda. The origin of the term from the French revolution is irrelevant. All that matters is how they are used today. the only definition that makes any sense is that the left supports socialism and the right supports the free market. When you claim that bigotry and genocide are "rightwing" you only show that you're just another leftwing douchebag intent on smearing anyone who supports market economics.Since I didn't attempt to prove that the Nazis weren't Socialist you seem to be barking up the wrong tree. As for that fact placing them on the left I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's utter nonsense. I explained the origins of the left-right spectrum in this OP already and the parameters it uses to place ideologies. I will say what I said to another poster who disagreed with the placement of Nazism. Create your own spectrum and somehow manage to make it more popular than the classic left-right one. Until you do arbitrarily changing positions of an ideology because you happen to disagree is silly.You failed to prove that Nazism wasn't socialist and therefore leftwing. Whether that made them "notorious" is beside the point.I love that little switch you pulled here.Your graph is well screwed, You put National Socialism as extreme left, when everybody else has it as extreme right.
Marxism is international - anybody can be a Marxist.
National Socialism is as its name suggests nationalist and inverted - only very select people can be NS.
If you put Communist - you have to put Capitalist opposite.
Liberal and Libertarian are pretty much the same thing.
I didn't create the graph. I didn't "put National Socialism as extreme left."
And "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
You need to read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. I took notes on the fine book which eludes you and Leftists and "progressives" (sick) everywhere.
Liberals are fascists and libertarians describes our Founding Fathers, who cherished liberty and feared oppressive government, which liberals adore and promote, like they promote the butchery of innocent unborn babies.
put National Socialism as extreme left."If you don't think there's a difference between Socialism and National Socialism the internet is your friend. Definition of SOCIALISMnd "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
In short, Socialism is at its core a collection of political theories that deal with the role of government and economics. National Socialism is a VERY specific political ideology that had its heyday in Germany during the thirties and forties of the last century. It gained notoriety because it wasn't just authoritarian but also EXTREMELY nationalistic and bigoted in its policies to the point of committing genocide. Them being Socialists wasn't a factor of their notoriety.Nazism | Definition, Leaders, Ideology, & History
Nazism, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in Germany, characterized by intense nationalism, mass appeal, dictatorial rule, and a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.
I'll prove it. Which of these policies is the one you have a problem with? Nazis created a system where ordinary workers could go on the world's very first cruises. Nazi's slaughtered millions of Jews.
Tell me which of these is the problematic one?
You talk about defining a spectrum when you can't even define your own spectrum. You have no definition that doesn't consist solely of smears against the right.
You're a leftwing piece of shit.
Then why did Trump just pass deregulation a few years back?
We've been pushing for deregulation for years.
I think you are confusing 'goals' with 'results'. The reality is, there are competing forces within our government, that oppose each other on nearly every level, and that means we don't always get what we want.
But not getting what we want, doesn't mean we didn't want it, or that we were not in support of the goal.
the GOP is in favor of government controlled
HEALTHCARE
EDUCATION
GUN CONTROL
AGRICULTURE
WAGES
EMPLOYMENT LAWS
AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS THE CONSTITUTION FORBIDS AT THE FED LEVEL MAKES THEM LEFT WING,,
just not as far as dems,,,but give them time,,,
funny how everything you guys oppose is currently sitting on the books uncontested,,,sorry but trying to deregulate a few things doesnt make a differenceexcuse me,,,but the republican party doesnt support free market,,they support government controlled capitalism,,which puts them firmly to the left of the constitution not the right,,,What you posted is leftwing propaganda. The origin of the term from the French revolution is irrelevant. All that matters is how they are used today. the only definition that makes any sense is that the left supports socialism and the right supports the free market. When you claim that bigotry and genocide are "rightwing" you only show that you're just another leftwing douchebag intent on smearing anyone who supports market economics.Since I didn't attempt to prove that the Nazis weren't Socialist you seem to be barking up the wrong tree. As for that fact placing them on the left I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's utter nonsense. I explained the origins of the left-right spectrum in this OP already and the parameters it uses to place ideologies. I will say what I said to another poster who disagreed with the placement of Nazism. Create your own spectrum and somehow manage to make it more popular than the classic left-right one. Until you do arbitrarily changing positions of an ideology because you happen to disagree is silly.You failed to prove that Nazism wasn't socialist and therefore leftwing. Whether that made them "notorious" is beside the point.I love that little switch you pulled here.Your graph is well screwed, You put National Socialism as extreme left, when everybody else has it as extreme right.
Marxism is international - anybody can be a Marxist.
National Socialism is as its name suggests nationalist and inverted - only very select people can be NS.
If you put Communist - you have to put Capitalist opposite.
Liberal and Libertarian are pretty much the same thing.
I didn't create the graph. I didn't "put National Socialism as extreme left."
And "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
You need to read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. I took notes on the fine book which eludes you and Leftists and "progressives" (sick) everywhere.
Liberals are fascists and libertarians describes our Founding Fathers, who cherished liberty and feared oppressive government, which liberals adore and promote, like they promote the butchery of innocent unborn babies.
put National Socialism as extreme left."If you don't think there's a difference between Socialism and National Socialism the internet is your friend. Definition of SOCIALISMnd "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
In short, Socialism is at its core a collection of political theories that deal with the role of government and economics. National Socialism is a VERY specific political ideology that had its heyday in Germany during the thirties and forties of the last century. It gained notoriety because it wasn't just authoritarian but also EXTREMELY nationalistic and bigoted in its policies to the point of committing genocide. Them being Socialists wasn't a factor of their notoriety.Nazism | Definition, Leaders, Ideology, & History
Nazism, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in Germany, characterized by intense nationalism, mass appeal, dictatorial rule, and a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.
I'll prove it. Which of these policies is the one you have a problem with? Nazis created a system where ordinary workers could go on the world's very first cruises. Nazi's slaughtered millions of Jews.
Tell me which of these is the problematic one?
You talk about defining a spectrum when you can't even define your own spectrum. You have no definition that doesn't consist solely of smears against the right.
You're a leftwing piece of shit.
Then why did Trump just pass deregulation a few years back?
We've been pushing for deregulation for years.
I think you are confusing 'goals' with 'results'. The reality is, there are competing forces within our government, that oppose each other on nearly every level, and that means we don't always get what we want.
But not getting what we want, doesn't mean we didn't want it, or that we were not in support of the goal.
the GOP is in favor of government controlled
HEALTHCARE
EDUCATION
GUN CONTROL
AGRICULTURE
WAGES
EMPLOYMENT LAWS
AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS THE CONSTITUTION FORBIDS AT THE FED LEVEL MAKES THEM LEFT WING,,
just not as far as dems,,,but give them time,,,
Well that's not true. We opposed gun control laws. We opposed "no child left behind". We opposed minimum wage hikes. We opposed agriculture subsidies. We opposed Obama Care.
So you are wrong on nearly all of that.
Again you seem to be confusing results with goals.
And if you think that the GOP is in favor of all those things.... Then... we have no one to vote, the Democrats win by a land slide, and we end up like Venezuela.
Is that really what you want to argue for?
funny how everything you guys oppose is currently sitting on the books uncontested,,,sorry but trying to deregulate a few things doesnt make a differenceexcuse me,,,but the republican party doesnt support free market,,they support government controlled capitalism,,which puts them firmly to the left of the constitution not the right,,,What you posted is leftwing propaganda. The origin of the term from the French revolution is irrelevant. All that matters is how they are used today. the only definition that makes any sense is that the left supports socialism and the right supports the free market. When you claim that bigotry and genocide are "rightwing" you only show that you're just another leftwing douchebag intent on smearing anyone who supports market economics.Since I didn't attempt to prove that the Nazis weren't Socialist you seem to be barking up the wrong tree. As for that fact placing them on the left I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's utter nonsense. I explained the origins of the left-right spectrum in this OP already and the parameters it uses to place ideologies. I will say what I said to another poster who disagreed with the placement of Nazism. Create your own spectrum and somehow manage to make it more popular than the classic left-right one. Until you do arbitrarily changing positions of an ideology because you happen to disagree is silly.You failed to prove that Nazism wasn't socialist and therefore leftwing. Whether that made them "notorious" is beside the point.I love that little switch you pulled here.Your graph is well screwed, You put National Socialism as extreme left, when everybody else has it as extreme right.
Marxism is international - anybody can be a Marxist.
National Socialism is as its name suggests nationalist and inverted - only very select people can be NS.
If you put Communist - you have to put Capitalist opposite.
Liberal and Libertarian are pretty much the same thing.
I didn't create the graph. I didn't "put National Socialism as extreme left."
And "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
You need to read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. I took notes on the fine book which eludes you and Leftists and "progressives" (sick) everywhere.
Liberals are fascists and libertarians describes our Founding Fathers, who cherished liberty and feared oppressive government, which liberals adore and promote, like they promote the butchery of innocent unborn babies.
put National Socialism as extreme left."If you don't think there's a difference between Socialism and National Socialism the internet is your friend. Definition of SOCIALISMnd "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
In short, Socialism is at its core a collection of political theories that deal with the role of government and economics. National Socialism is a VERY specific political ideology that had its heyday in Germany during the thirties and forties of the last century. It gained notoriety because it wasn't just authoritarian but also EXTREMELY nationalistic and bigoted in its policies to the point of committing genocide. Them being Socialists wasn't a factor of their notoriety.Nazism | Definition, Leaders, Ideology, & History
Nazism, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in Germany, characterized by intense nationalism, mass appeal, dictatorial rule, and a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.
I'll prove it. Which of these policies is the one you have a problem with? Nazis created a system where ordinary workers could go on the world's very first cruises. Nazi's slaughtered millions of Jews.
Tell me which of these is the problematic one?
You talk about defining a spectrum when you can't even define your own spectrum. You have no definition that doesn't consist solely of smears against the right.
You're a leftwing piece of shit.
Then why did Trump just pass deregulation a few years back?
We've been pushing for deregulation for years.
I think you are confusing 'goals' with 'results'. The reality is, there are competing forces within our government, that oppose each other on nearly every level, and that means we don't always get what we want.
But not getting what we want, doesn't mean we didn't want it, or that we were not in support of the goal.
the GOP is in favor of government controlled
HEALTHCARE
EDUCATION
GUN CONTROL
AGRICULTURE
WAGES
EMPLOYMENT LAWS
AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS THE CONSTITUTION FORBIDS AT THE FED LEVEL MAKES THEM LEFT WING,,
just not as far as dems,,,but give them time,,,
Well that's not true. We opposed gun control laws. We opposed "no child left behind". We opposed minimum wage hikes. We opposed agriculture subsidies. We opposed Obama Care.
So you are wrong on nearly all of that.
Again you seem to be confusing results with goals.
And if you think that the GOP is in favor of all those things.... Then... we have no one to vote, the Democrats win by a land slide, and we end up like Venezuela.
Is that really what you want to argue for?
youre not fooling everyone,,,
your kool ade consumption keeps you from seeing there are others to vote for,,,I've voted for 35 yrs and not once for a dem or repube,,,
well my vote hasnt supported the theft of your rights or property,,,funny how everything you guys oppose is currently sitting on the books uncontested,,,sorry but trying to deregulate a few things doesnt make a differenceexcuse me,,,but the republican party doesnt support free market,,they support government controlled capitalism,,which puts them firmly to the left of the constitution not the right,,,What you posted is leftwing propaganda. The origin of the term from the French revolution is irrelevant. All that matters is how they are used today. the only definition that makes any sense is that the left supports socialism and the right supports the free market. When you claim that bigotry and genocide are "rightwing" you only show that you're just another leftwing douchebag intent on smearing anyone who supports market economics.Since I didn't attempt to prove that the Nazis weren't Socialist you seem to be barking up the wrong tree. As for that fact placing them on the left I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's utter nonsense. I explained the origins of the left-right spectrum in this OP already and the parameters it uses to place ideologies. I will say what I said to another poster who disagreed with the placement of Nazism. Create your own spectrum and somehow manage to make it more popular than the classic left-right one. Until you do arbitrarily changing positions of an ideology because you happen to disagree is silly.You failed to prove that Nazism wasn't socialist and therefore leftwing. Whether that made them "notorious" is beside the point.I love that little switch you pulled here.Your graph is well screwed, You put National Socialism as extreme left, when everybody else has it as extreme right.
Marxism is international - anybody can be a Marxist.
National Socialism is as its name suggests nationalist and inverted - only very select people can be NS.
If you put Communist - you have to put Capitalist opposite.
Liberal and Libertarian are pretty much the same thing.
I didn't create the graph. I didn't "put National Socialism as extreme left."
And "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
You need to read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. I took notes on the fine book which eludes you and Leftists and "progressives" (sick) everywhere.
Liberals are fascists and libertarians describes our Founding Fathers, who cherished liberty and feared oppressive government, which liberals adore and promote, like they promote the butchery of innocent unborn babies.
put National Socialism as extreme left."If you don't think there's a difference between Socialism and National Socialism the internet is your friend. Definition of SOCIALISMnd "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
In short, Socialism is at its core a collection of political theories that deal with the role of government and economics. National Socialism is a VERY specific political ideology that had its heyday in Germany during the thirties and forties of the last century. It gained notoriety because it wasn't just authoritarian but also EXTREMELY nationalistic and bigoted in its policies to the point of committing genocide. Them being Socialists wasn't a factor of their notoriety.Nazism | Definition, Leaders, Ideology, & History
Nazism, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in Germany, characterized by intense nationalism, mass appeal, dictatorial rule, and a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.
I'll prove it. Which of these policies is the one you have a problem with? Nazis created a system where ordinary workers could go on the world's very first cruises. Nazi's slaughtered millions of Jews.
Tell me which of these is the problematic one?
You talk about defining a spectrum when you can't even define your own spectrum. You have no definition that doesn't consist solely of smears against the right.
You're a leftwing piece of shit.
Then why did Trump just pass deregulation a few years back?
We've been pushing for deregulation for years.
I think you are confusing 'goals' with 'results'. The reality is, there are competing forces within our government, that oppose each other on nearly every level, and that means we don't always get what we want.
But not getting what we want, doesn't mean we didn't want it, or that we were not in support of the goal.
the GOP is in favor of government controlled
HEALTHCARE
EDUCATION
GUN CONTROL
AGRICULTURE
WAGES
EMPLOYMENT LAWS
AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS THE CONSTITUTION FORBIDS AT THE FED LEVEL MAKES THEM LEFT WING,,
just not as far as dems,,,but give them time,,,
Well that's not true. We opposed gun control laws. We opposed "no child left behind". We opposed minimum wage hikes. We opposed agriculture subsidies. We opposed Obama Care.
So you are wrong on nearly all of that.
Again you seem to be confusing results with goals.
And if you think that the GOP is in favor of all those things.... Then... we have no one to vote, the Democrats win by a land slide, and we end up like Venezuela.
Is that really what you want to argue for?
youre not fooling everyone,,,
your kool ade consumption keeps you from seeing there are others to vote for,,,I've voted for 35 yrs and not once for a dem or repube,,,
Right, I don't see that you have accomplished anything good either.
So pot calling kettle black? You have no good ideas, no solutions to anything, but everyone else sucks.
Well screw you. You are not fooling anyone either.
well my vote hasnt supported the theft of your rights or property,,,funny how everything you guys oppose is currently sitting on the books uncontested,,,sorry but trying to deregulate a few things doesnt make a differenceexcuse me,,,but the republican party doesnt support free market,,they support government controlled capitalism,,which puts them firmly to the left of the constitution not the right,,,What you posted is leftwing propaganda. The origin of the term from the French revolution is irrelevant. All that matters is how they are used today. the only definition that makes any sense is that the left supports socialism and the right supports the free market. When you claim that bigotry and genocide are "rightwing" you only show that you're just another leftwing douchebag intent on smearing anyone who supports market economics.Since I didn't attempt to prove that the Nazis weren't Socialist you seem to be barking up the wrong tree. As for that fact placing them on the left I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's utter nonsense. I explained the origins of the left-right spectrum in this OP already and the parameters it uses to place ideologies. I will say what I said to another poster who disagreed with the placement of Nazism. Create your own spectrum and somehow manage to make it more popular than the classic left-right one. Until you do arbitrarily changing positions of an ideology because you happen to disagree is silly.You failed to prove that Nazism wasn't socialist and therefore leftwing. Whether that made them "notorious" is beside the point.I love that little switch you pulled here.Your graph is well screwed, You put National Socialism as extreme left, when everybody else has it as extreme right.
Marxism is international - anybody can be a Marxist.
National Socialism is as its name suggests nationalist and inverted - only very select people can be NS.
If you put Communist - you have to put Capitalist opposite.
Liberal and Libertarian are pretty much the same thing.
I didn't create the graph. I didn't "put National Socialism as extreme left."
And "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
You need to read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. I took notes on the fine book which eludes you and Leftists and "progressives" (sick) everywhere.
Liberals are fascists and libertarians describes our Founding Fathers, who cherished liberty and feared oppressive government, which liberals adore and promote, like they promote the butchery of innocent unborn babies.
put National Socialism as extreme left."If you don't think there's a difference between Socialism and National Socialism the internet is your friend. Definition of SOCIALISMnd "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
In short, Socialism is at its core a collection of political theories that deal with the role of government and economics. National Socialism is a VERY specific political ideology that had its heyday in Germany during the thirties and forties of the last century. It gained notoriety because it wasn't just authoritarian but also EXTREMELY nationalistic and bigoted in its policies to the point of committing genocide. Them being Socialists wasn't a factor of their notoriety.Nazism | Definition, Leaders, Ideology, & History
Nazism, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in Germany, characterized by intense nationalism, mass appeal, dictatorial rule, and a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.
I'll prove it. Which of these policies is the one you have a problem with? Nazis created a system where ordinary workers could go on the world's very first cruises. Nazi's slaughtered millions of Jews.
Tell me which of these is the problematic one?
You talk about defining a spectrum when you can't even define your own spectrum. You have no definition that doesn't consist solely of smears against the right.
You're a leftwing piece of shit.
Then why did Trump just pass deregulation a few years back?
We've been pushing for deregulation for years.
I think you are confusing 'goals' with 'results'. The reality is, there are competing forces within our government, that oppose each other on nearly every level, and that means we don't always get what we want.
But not getting what we want, doesn't mean we didn't want it, or that we were not in support of the goal.
the GOP is in favor of government controlled
HEALTHCARE
EDUCATION
GUN CONTROL
AGRICULTURE
WAGES
EMPLOYMENT LAWS
AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS THE CONSTITUTION FORBIDS AT THE FED LEVEL MAKES THEM LEFT WING,,
just not as far as dems,,,but give them time,,,
Well that's not true. We opposed gun control laws. We opposed "no child left behind". We opposed minimum wage hikes. We opposed agriculture subsidies. We opposed Obama Care.
So you are wrong on nearly all of that.
Again you seem to be confusing results with goals.
And if you think that the GOP is in favor of all those things.... Then... we have no one to vote, the Democrats win by a land slide, and we end up like Venezuela.
Is that really what you want to argue for?
youre not fooling everyone,,,
your kool ade consumption keeps you from seeing there are others to vote for,,,I've voted for 35 yrs and not once for a dem or repube,,,
Right, I don't see that you have accomplished anything good either.
So pot calling kettle black? You have no good ideas, no solutions to anything, but everyone else sucks.
Well screw you. You are not fooling anyone either.
you cant say that,,,
typical left wing deflection,,,well my vote hasnt supported the theft of your rights or property,,,funny how everything you guys oppose is currently sitting on the books uncontested,,,sorry but trying to deregulate a few things doesnt make a differenceexcuse me,,,but the republican party doesnt support free market,,they support government controlled capitalism,,which puts them firmly to the left of the constitution not the right,,,What you posted is leftwing propaganda. The origin of the term from the French revolution is irrelevant. All that matters is how they are used today. the only definition that makes any sense is that the left supports socialism and the right supports the free market. When you claim that bigotry and genocide are "rightwing" you only show that you're just another leftwing douchebag intent on smearing anyone who supports market economics.Since I didn't attempt to prove that the Nazis weren't Socialist you seem to be barking up the wrong tree. As for that fact placing them on the left I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's utter nonsense. I explained the origins of the left-right spectrum in this OP already and the parameters it uses to place ideologies. I will say what I said to another poster who disagreed with the placement of Nazism. Create your own spectrum and somehow manage to make it more popular than the classic left-right one. Until you do arbitrarily changing positions of an ideology because you happen to disagree is silly.You failed to prove that Nazism wasn't socialist and therefore leftwing. Whether that made them "notorious" is beside the point.I love that little switch you pulled here.Your graph is well screwed, You put National Socialism as extreme left, when everybody else has it as extreme right.
Marxism is international - anybody can be a Marxist.
National Socialism is as its name suggests nationalist and inverted - only very select people can be NS.
If you put Communist - you have to put Capitalist opposite.
Liberal and Libertarian are pretty much the same thing.
I didn't create the graph. I didn't "put National Socialism as extreme left."
And "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
You need to read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. I took notes on the fine book which eludes you and Leftists and "progressives" (sick) everywhere.
Liberals are fascists and libertarians describes our Founding Fathers, who cherished liberty and feared oppressive government, which liberals adore and promote, like they promote the butchery of innocent unborn babies.
put National Socialism as extreme left."If you don't think there's a difference between Socialism and National Socialism the internet is your friend. Definition of SOCIALISMnd "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
In short, Socialism is at its core a collection of political theories that deal with the role of government and economics. National Socialism is a VERY specific political ideology that had its heyday in Germany during the thirties and forties of the last century. It gained notoriety because it wasn't just authoritarian but also EXTREMELY nationalistic and bigoted in its policies to the point of committing genocide. Them being Socialists wasn't a factor of their notoriety.Nazism | Definition, Leaders, Ideology, & History
Nazism, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in Germany, characterized by intense nationalism, mass appeal, dictatorial rule, and a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.
I'll prove it. Which of these policies is the one you have a problem with? Nazis created a system where ordinary workers could go on the world's very first cruises. Nazi's slaughtered millions of Jews.
Tell me which of these is the problematic one?
You talk about defining a spectrum when you can't even define your own spectrum. You have no definition that doesn't consist solely of smears against the right.
You're a leftwing piece of shit.
Then why did Trump just pass deregulation a few years back?
We've been pushing for deregulation for years.
I think you are confusing 'goals' with 'results'. The reality is, there are competing forces within our government, that oppose each other on nearly every level, and that means we don't always get what we want.
But not getting what we want, doesn't mean we didn't want it, or that we were not in support of the goal.
the GOP is in favor of government controlled
HEALTHCARE
EDUCATION
GUN CONTROL
AGRICULTURE
WAGES
EMPLOYMENT LAWS
AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS THE CONSTITUTION FORBIDS AT THE FED LEVEL MAKES THEM LEFT WING,,
just not as far as dems,,,but give them time,,,
Well that's not true. We opposed gun control laws. We opposed "no child left behind". We opposed minimum wage hikes. We opposed agriculture subsidies. We opposed Obama Care.
So you are wrong on nearly all of that.
Again you seem to be confusing results with goals.
And if you think that the GOP is in favor of all those things.... Then... we have no one to vote, the Democrats win by a land slide, and we end up like Venezuela.
Is that really what you want to argue for?
youre not fooling everyone,,,
your kool ade consumption keeps you from seeing there are others to vote for,,,I've voted for 35 yrs and not once for a dem or repube,,,
Right, I don't see that you have accomplished anything good either.
So pot calling kettle black? You have no good ideas, no solutions to anything, but everyone else sucks.
Well screw you. You are not fooling anyone either.
you cant say that,,,
Sucks to be you huh? Doesn't bother me, because I know better than you.
So tough snot buddy. Good luck voting on your nothing.
typical waste of time deflection...typical left wing deflection,,,well my vote hasnt supported the theft of your rights or property,,,funny how everything you guys oppose is currently sitting on the books uncontested,,,sorry but trying to deregulate a few things doesnt make a differenceexcuse me,,,but the republican party doesnt support free market,,they support government controlled capitalism,,which puts them firmly to the left of the constitution not the right,,,What you posted is leftwing propaganda. The origin of the term from the French revolution is irrelevant. All that matters is how they are used today. the only definition that makes any sense is that the left supports socialism and the right supports the free market. When you claim that bigotry and genocide are "rightwing" you only show that you're just another leftwing douchebag intent on smearing anyone who supports market economics.Since I didn't attempt to prove that the Nazis weren't Socialist you seem to be barking up the wrong tree. As for that fact placing them on the left I'm sorry to disappoint you but that's utter nonsense. I explained the origins of the left-right spectrum in this OP already and the parameters it uses to place ideologies. I will say what I said to another poster who disagreed with the placement of Nazism. Create your own spectrum and somehow manage to make it more popular than the classic left-right one. Until you do arbitrarily changing positions of an ideology because you happen to disagree is silly.You failed to prove that Nazism wasn't socialist and therefore leftwing. Whether that made them "notorious" is beside the point.I love that little switch you pulled here.Your graph is well screwed, You put National Socialism as extreme left, when everybody else has it as extreme right.
Marxism is international - anybody can be a Marxist.
National Socialism is as its name suggests nationalist and inverted - only very select people can be NS.
If you put Communist - you have to put Capitalist opposite.
Liberal and Libertarian are pretty much the same thing.
I didn't create the graph. I didn't "put National Socialism as extreme left."
And "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
You need to read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. I took notes on the fine book which eludes you and Leftists and "progressives" (sick) everywhere.
Liberals are fascists and libertarians describes our Founding Fathers, who cherished liberty and feared oppressive government, which liberals adore and promote, like they promote the butchery of innocent unborn babies.
put National Socialism as extreme left."If you don't think there's a difference between Socialism and National Socialism the internet is your friend. Definition of SOCIALISMnd "everybody else" is stupid to think that socialism is right wing.
In short, Socialism is at its core a collection of political theories that deal with the role of government and economics. National Socialism is a VERY specific political ideology that had its heyday in Germany during the thirties and forties of the last century. It gained notoriety because it wasn't just authoritarian but also EXTREMELY nationalistic and bigoted in its policies to the point of committing genocide. Them being Socialists wasn't a factor of their notoriety.Nazism | Definition, Leaders, Ideology, & History
Nazism, totalitarian movement led by Adolf Hitler as head of the Nazi Party in Germany, characterized by intense nationalism, mass appeal, dictatorial rule, and a vision of annihilation of all enemies of the Aryan Volk as the one and only goal of Nazi policy.
I'll prove it. Which of these policies is the one you have a problem with? Nazis created a system where ordinary workers could go on the world's very first cruises. Nazi's slaughtered millions of Jews.
Tell me which of these is the problematic one?
You talk about defining a spectrum when you can't even define your own spectrum. You have no definition that doesn't consist solely of smears against the right.
You're a leftwing piece of shit.
Then why did Trump just pass deregulation a few years back?
We've been pushing for deregulation for years.
I think you are confusing 'goals' with 'results'. The reality is, there are competing forces within our government, that oppose each other on nearly every level, and that means we don't always get what we want.
But not getting what we want, doesn't mean we didn't want it, or that we were not in support of the goal.
the GOP is in favor of government controlled
HEALTHCARE
EDUCATION
GUN CONTROL
AGRICULTURE
WAGES
EMPLOYMENT LAWS
AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER THINGS THE CONSTITUTION FORBIDS AT THE FED LEVEL MAKES THEM LEFT WING,,
just not as far as dems,,,but give them time,,,
Well that's not true. We opposed gun control laws. We opposed "no child left behind". We opposed minimum wage hikes. We opposed agriculture subsidies. We opposed Obama Care.
So you are wrong on nearly all of that.
Again you seem to be confusing results with goals.
And if you think that the GOP is in favor of all those things.... Then... we have no one to vote, the Democrats win by a land slide, and we end up like Venezuela.
Is that really what you want to argue for?
youre not fooling everyone,,,
your kool ade consumption keeps you from seeing there are others to vote for,,,I've voted for 35 yrs and not once for a dem or repube,,,
Right, I don't see that you have accomplished anything good either.
So pot calling kettle black? You have no good ideas, no solutions to anything, but everyone else sucks.
Well screw you. You are not fooling anyone either.
you cant say that,,,
Sucks to be you huh? Doesn't bother me, because I know better than you.
So tough snot buddy. Good luck voting on your nothing.
The FISA court provision, for one.well considering it violates all of the bill of rights I have no problem,,,I havent heard back from you,,,bigger government than the constitution allows,,,we can start with they vote for a party thats to the left of the constitution,,,so are you agreeing that republicans are left of the constitution???asked and answered,,,history doesnt support that,,,you completely ignored the founding of the country and what they considered and accepted,,,your graph is pretty close but the conservative republicans are on the left of center not the right,,,thats due to the constitution being the center and they wanting more government than the constitution allows,,,
What? First, the constitution is not in the middle.
The constitution is very much a right-wing document.
Under the constitution the powers of the Federal government are extremely limited. They are limited in a way, that no other government in world history had been limited. And even to this day, no government is as limited as ours is under the constitution.
This places the constitution clearly in the side of the right.
Further, saying conservatives and republicans are left of center, is a bit deceptive.
First, conservatives and republicans are not the same. Republicans are a group of politicians, while conservationism, is an ideology.
I'd be hard pressed to know a conservative that supports government run health care, or all the social programs, or so on.
Bush Jr supported partial privatization of the Social Security. That's about as right-wing a policy as you can get. Bush supported giving VA patients vouchers so they could go to private hospitals. Bush supported school choice and vouchers to do to charter and private schools.
So saying that conservatives are on the left, is not supportable by the facts.
the founders were close to full anarchist and thats proven by the articles of confederation and the phrase they went by,,,
CAN MAN GOVERN HIMSELF??? which means anarchy
THEY SETTLED ON THE CONSTITUTION BECAUSE they didnt account for stupid and greedy people,,
and please dont try and cherry pick singled out policies to support them,,
the overall of both parties is bigger government than the constitution allows,,,which means they are both to the left of the constitution,,
the right is libertarian to anarchist,,,
sorry but thats the facts and its backed up by history,,,
No, that is false. The problem was not that men were greedy, or that man can't govern himself, or anything like that.
The problem was the Federal government wasn't able to raise an effective army to defend the country as a whole. So they created the constitution.
Again, in what way are conservatives left of the constitutions?
republicans are to the left of the constitution because their platform and actions call for more government than the constitution allows,,,,
why conservatives vote for them can only be explained by the kool ade they drink,,,
Again, in what way are conservatives left of the constitutions?
I am growing tired of trying to have an intelligent conversation with you.
Be specific. In what way, are conservatives left of the constitution? NAME IT.
What way? Either shut up, or put up.
since youre the one ignoring history you shouldnt complain to me about having an intelligent conversation
You keep making statements you can't back up.
In what way are Conservatives left of the constitution. Name it.
What do you claim we want, that the constitution does not support?
bigger government,,,
Name how conservatives want what is "left of the constitution"?
I'm going to keep asking until you answer me.
can you say 'PATRIOT ACT"???
anything else you would like to know???
Believe it or not, I don't spend all day on forums. I have a life.
What part of the Patriot Act do you have an issue with? I really don't have an issue with the Patriot Act.
it also proves youre a left wing authoritarian by supporting it,,,
Based on what? What provision violates the bill of rights?
The FISA court provision, for one.well considering it violates all of the bill of rights I have no problem,,,I havent heard back from you,,,bigger government than the constitution allows,,,we can start with they vote for a party thats to the left of the constitution,,,so are you agreeing that republicans are left of the constitution???asked and answered,,,history doesnt support that,,,you completely ignored the founding of the country and what they considered and accepted,,,your graph is pretty close but the conservative republicans are on the left of center not the right,,,thats due to the constitution being the center and they wanting more government than the constitution allows,,,
What? First, the constitution is not in the middle.
The constitution is very much a right-wing document.
Under the constitution the powers of the Federal government are extremely limited. They are limited in a way, that no other government in world history had been limited. And even to this day, no government is as limited as ours is under the constitution.
This places the constitution clearly in the side of the right.
Further, saying conservatives and republicans are left of center, is a bit deceptive.
First, conservatives and republicans are not the same. Republicans are a group of politicians, while conservationism, is an ideology.
I'd be hard pressed to know a conservative that supports government run health care, or all the social programs, or so on.
Bush Jr supported partial privatization of the Social Security. That's about as right-wing a policy as you can get. Bush supported giving VA patients vouchers so they could go to private hospitals. Bush supported school choice and vouchers to do to charter and private schools.
So saying that conservatives are on the left, is not supportable by the facts.
the founders were close to full anarchist and thats proven by the articles of confederation and the phrase they went by,,,
CAN MAN GOVERN HIMSELF??? which means anarchy
THEY SETTLED ON THE CONSTITUTION BECAUSE they didnt account for stupid and greedy people,,
and please dont try and cherry pick singled out policies to support them,,
the overall of both parties is bigger government than the constitution allows,,,which means they are both to the left of the constitution,,
the right is libertarian to anarchist,,,
sorry but thats the facts and its backed up by history,,,
No, that is false. The problem was not that men were greedy, or that man can't govern himself, or anything like that.
The problem was the Federal government wasn't able to raise an effective army to defend the country as a whole. So they created the constitution.
Again, in what way are conservatives left of the constitutions?
republicans are to the left of the constitution because their platform and actions call for more government than the constitution allows,,,,
why conservatives vote for them can only be explained by the kool ade they drink,,,
Again, in what way are conservatives left of the constitutions?
I am growing tired of trying to have an intelligent conversation with you.
Be specific. In what way, are conservatives left of the constitution? NAME IT.
What way? Either shut up, or put up.
since youre the one ignoring history you shouldnt complain to me about having an intelligent conversation
You keep making statements you can't back up.
In what way are Conservatives left of the constitution. Name it.
What do you claim we want, that the constitution does not support?
bigger government,,,
Name how conservatives want what is "left of the constitution"?
I'm going to keep asking until you answer me.
can you say 'PATRIOT ACT"???
anything else you would like to know???
Believe it or not, I don't spend all day on forums. I have a life.
What part of the Patriot Act do you have an issue with? I really don't have an issue with the Patriot Act.
it also proves youre a left wing authoritarian by supporting it,,,
Based on what? What provision violates the bill of rights?
That's what they want you to think.The FISA court provision, for one.well considering it violates all of the bill of rights I have no problem,,,I havent heard back from you,,,bigger government than the constitution allows,,,we can start with they vote for a party thats to the left of the constitution,,,so are you agreeing that republicans are left of the constitution???asked and answered,,,history doesnt support that,,,you completely ignored the founding of the country and what they considered and accepted,,,your graph is pretty close but the conservative republicans are on the left of center not the right,,,thats due to the constitution being the center and they wanting more government than the constitution allows,,,
What? First, the constitution is not in the middle.
The constitution is very much a right-wing document.
Under the constitution the powers of the Federal government are extremely limited. They are limited in a way, that no other government in world history had been limited. And even to this day, no government is as limited as ours is under the constitution.
This places the constitution clearly in the side of the right.
Further, saying conservatives and republicans are left of center, is a bit deceptive.
First, conservatives and republicans are not the same. Republicans are a group of politicians, while conservationism, is an ideology.
I'd be hard pressed to know a conservative that supports government run health care, or all the social programs, or so on.
Bush Jr supported partial privatization of the Social Security. That's about as right-wing a policy as you can get. Bush supported giving VA patients vouchers so they could go to private hospitals. Bush supported school choice and vouchers to do to charter and private schools.
So saying that conservatives are on the left, is not supportable by the facts.
the founders were close to full anarchist and thats proven by the articles of confederation and the phrase they went by,,,
CAN MAN GOVERN HIMSELF??? which means anarchy
THEY SETTLED ON THE CONSTITUTION BECAUSE they didnt account for stupid and greedy people,,
and please dont try and cherry pick singled out policies to support them,,
the overall of both parties is bigger government than the constitution allows,,,which means they are both to the left of the constitution,,
the right is libertarian to anarchist,,,
sorry but thats the facts and its backed up by history,,,
No, that is false. The problem was not that men were greedy, or that man can't govern himself, or anything like that.
The problem was the Federal government wasn't able to raise an effective army to defend the country as a whole. So they created the constitution.
Again, in what way are conservatives left of the constitutions?
republicans are to the left of the constitution because their platform and actions call for more government than the constitution allows,,,,
why conservatives vote for them can only be explained by the kool ade they drink,,,
Again, in what way are conservatives left of the constitutions?
I am growing tired of trying to have an intelligent conversation with you.
Be specific. In what way, are conservatives left of the constitution? NAME IT.
What way? Either shut up, or put up.
since youre the one ignoring history you shouldnt complain to me about having an intelligent conversation
You keep making statements you can't back up.
In what way are Conservatives left of the constitution. Name it.
What do you claim we want, that the constitution does not support?
bigger government,,,
Name how conservatives want what is "left of the constitution"?
I'm going to keep asking until you answer me.
can you say 'PATRIOT ACT"???
anything else you would like to know???
Believe it or not, I don't spend all day on forums. I have a life.
What part of the Patriot Act do you have an issue with? I really don't have an issue with the Patriot Act.
it also proves youre a left wing authoritarian by supporting it,,,
Based on what? What provision violates the bill of rights?
Are you talking about the NSA deal? I thought that was rectified. From what I read, they are no longer doing any data collection without warrants.
Or are you saying the FISA court itself violates rights? My understanding it was a legal court that granted warrants in keep with constitutional requirements. The FISA was created by the law passed in 1978, not the patriot act, right?
Seriously? You actually ARE going to argue that Hong Kong is more free than the US? Amazing.You seem to be very unwilling to pin yourself on any testable parameters for your statements. Could it be that you know they are untrue and rather be considered a liar than simply wrong in your beliefs? My guess is yes. As for me moving. If you read trough this OP you would see I'm European.
