Zone1 Do you claim to be an "Atheist?"

[Eman623]

It is not the role of schools to teach your faith or any faith.

It's not their job to ban all religion from school either.

 

[rightwinger]

Then the step forward is to set an agenda that is inclusive of all faiths, not to stomp on every faith. Students learning acceptance takes care of children who are prone to ostracize others.

No, it is not a schools responsibility to teach religion
The Constitution says so

 

[rightwinger]

It's not their job to ban all religion from school either.

It is not banned
You can pray you will pass a test

You just can’t force others to pray

 

[ding]

I don't know, DennisPTate expects atheists to do something totally alien to them so he should be expected to do the same.

I think his point was to test your beliefs. To your point, I did test my beliefs as you are suggesting. Instead of criticizing what I didn't believe to arrive at what I did believe, I constructed an affirmative case for the existence of God independent of any religious beliefs. Relying solely upon the indirect evidence for God's existence, I concluded a Creator did exist and identified the attributes of said Creator. I then turned my attention to who God is by studying all of the major religions. From that study I concluded that the world's religions are more similar than dissimilar in that they all teach virtue. I learned from this study that much can be learned about God by men seeking God, but only one religion claimed to be God seeking man. And as hard as it was to accept, I concluded that God chose to born into this world to testify to the truth, suffer death and reconcile justice with mercy. This is where most of my challenging to my beliefs have occurred but I keep coming back to Jesus Christ. Because as hard as it is to accept God chose to be born into this world, the alternative of an undiscovered epic conspiracy was even harder to believe. So, in the end, my study of who God is validated my study of the indirect evidence of God's existence.

But if you change your mind about testing your beliefs. I recommend that you sit in a very quite place for 30 minutes a day meditating on God with no thoughts of self and do this for 7 days. Just to see what will happen.

 

[Eman623]

No, it is not a schools responsibility to teach religion
The Constitution says so

No it doesn't.

 

[Eman623]

It is not banned
You can pray you will pass a test

You just can’t force others to pray

You cannot even organize a voluntary student-led prayer. That banning.

 

[rightwinger]

No it doesn't.

Read the first amendment

 

[ding]

No. There are many people who profess to believe in the heaven & hell narrative, but continue to sin.

Right. Which leads one to wonder if they really believe what they say they believe.

It's what people do that tells us what they believe. Not what they say.

 

[Crepitus]

If you are an Atheist....
or if you know people who claim to be "Atheists" then you and they should have no problem to rise to the occasion and
mimic something that I did myself back in 1990, [not long after the fast of Yom Kippur].

"I began a tradition of sorts back in 1990 that many of your Atheist or Agnostic friends may find interesting......

I literally raised my right hand in the air....
I partly quoted and partly paraphrased Isaiah chapter forty five.....

I asked Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to take me by the right hand and show me my errors... and sins...... and flaws in my reasoning.... so that I would NOT deceive people as I felt that I personally had been partly deceived on some pretty big and important questions.

If somebody lacks the courage to literally raise their right hands in the air and "pray" to be led by the right hand as ancient King Cyrus was......

then that person cannot really claim to be an "Atheist".... they are at minimum an "Agnostic" with at least a little bit of fear over what it might be like if Messiah Yeshua - Jesus were to begin to intervene in their lives and mentor and guide them?"

Zone1 Post in thread 'Does Rabbi Alon Anava also have a "Cyrus" calling on his life?'

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I began a tradition of sorts back in 1990 that many of your Atheist or Agnostic friends may find interesting......

I literally raised my right hand in the air....
I partly quoted and partly paraphrased Isaiah chapter forty five.....

I asked Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to take me by the right hand and show me my errors... and sins...... and flaws in my reasoning.... so that I would NOT deceive people as I felt that I personally had been partly deceived on some pretty big and important questions.

If somebody lacks the courage to literally raise their right hands in the air and "pray" to be...

• DennisPTate

YOu seem to have that backwards. an atheist would see no reason to ask any ghod for help.

 

[Eman623]

Read the first amendment

My copy says Congress may not establish religion. Nothing about schools teaching religion.

What does yours say?

 

[ding]

One can not be certain dont be so ridged. A good hobby for you is ikebana. It will calm you down and the Zen is very healthy. The pragna

Agnosticism is what it is. Saying what it is isn't rigid. It's reality. And for the love of God, please turn on your spell checker.

 

[Stryder50]

There is a choice or category missing here that should be part of the question ~ topic
Theology
OR
Atheology

Definition of ATHEOLOGY

opposition to theology… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

- : opposition to theology
a.k.a. religions

Ideology + Deity(Deities) = Religion (in most cases)

Some of us who many would classify as atheist or agnostic are really more Atheologists accept atheology, reject theology/religion.

Doesn't mean we are, or have to be anti-Creator, or concept of such.
Just means we are opposed to religions since nearly all pitch a compulsory dogma telling(commanding) others what to believe and that belief must be in their religion.

Too many find it hard to separate God(s) from religions, but there is such a concept where one can acknowledge the possibility of a Creator without having to embrace any of the existing religions, which are constructs of human origin.

 

[ding]

That means do it yourself.
Christianity teaches believe in Jesus or burn in hell. Youre a sinner you will be punished but Jesus loves you. Thats not guidance thats do it or else.

No. Christianity doesn't teach that. Jesus said you will judged if you don't believe in him. He didn't say you will be condemned. You'll just be judged. Judaism teaches you will be judged. So it's no different for you. However, if you lead others away from Christ using deception you will be condemned.

 

[ding]

Explain the moral values of these events
Major Historical Atrocities By Christians

• The Crusades (1096–1272): A series of military campaigns aimed at capturing the Holy Land. These resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, including the massacre of Muslim and Jewish populations during the capture of Jerusalem in 1099.
• The Inquisition (12th–19th centuries): Established to root out heresy, particularly in Spain. It involved the forced conversion, torture, and execution of thousands of Jews, Muslims, and dissenting Christians (such as Protestants).
• Wars of Conversion & Religious Wars:
  • Charlemagne's Saxon Wars (8th–9th centuries): Forced Christianization of the Saxons, including the Massacre of Verden where approximately 4,500 Saxons were executed.
  • The Albigensian Crusade: Targeted the Cathar sect in France, leading to an estimated 200,000 to 1 million deaths.
  • European Wars of Religion: Conflicts like the Thirty Years' War and the French Wars of Religion caused millions of deaths across Europe.
• Colonial Atrocities & Cultural Genocide:
  • Canadian Residential Schools: A state-funded, church-run system designed to assimilate Indigenous children, leading to thousands of deaths from disease, neglect, and systemic physical and sexual abuse.
  • Missionary Activity: In regions like Africa and the Americas, some missionary efforts involved the destruction of indigenous cultures, forced labor on "missions," and the desecration of local shrines.
• Persecution of Minorities:
  • Witch Hunts (15th–18th centuries): Resulted in the execution of an estimated 40,000–60,000 people, primarily women, based on church-endorsed doctrines.
  • LGBTQ+ Persecution: For centuries, medieval canon laws and the Inquisition targeted individuals for "sodomy," leading to imprisonment, torture

Where did you see me making a moral argument? I didn't. Read what I wrote.

 

[ding]

YOu seem to have that backwards. an atheist would see no reason to ask any ghod for help.

And yet God loves them just the same for no other reason than they are his creatures. How great is that?

But I bet they have prayed to God and didn't even know it. Every time they were frustrated or angry and shouted "Jesus Christ" with emotion, he heard their prayer.

 

[flack]

It is not banned
You can pray you will pass a test

You just can’t force others to pray

Correct

 

[flack]

As a person who was raised to be Baptist preacher I can tell you that I logically looked at what I was being taught and became a deist. Simply put we believe that God created the universe and then went on vacation.

 

[SweetSue92]

As a person who was raised to be Baptist preacher I can tell you that I logically looked at what I was being taught and became a deist. Simply put we believe that God created the universe and then went on vacation.

Boy that's convenient, huh?

 

[flack]

Boy that's convenient, huh?

It fits my vision.

 

[SweetSue92]

It fits my vision.

That's actually such a perfect response. Heh