Zone1 do you believe in a god?

[Chuz Life]

That’s only because I refused to tolerate a detail. I saw your motive from the get go. You basically gave it away by saying it wasn’t your motive. I’m sorry. I can’t grant you points just because you granted them to me.

You know what you were up to and even left a trail.

I understand your skepticism.

Don't let it morph into paranoia.

 

[ding]

Nobody is objective about God. Everybody wants God to be real.

Maybe it’s the perception of what they want God to be that’s not real.

 

[ding]

A negative cannot be proven.

By that logic you couldn’t prove you didn’t commit a crime.

I think we both know that is false, right?

So would you like to amend your statement?

 

[presonorek]

By that logic you couldn’t prove you didn’t commit a crime.

Are you serious?

You can’t prove you didn’t commit a crime and our justice system doesn’t demand that.

 

[presonorek]

I think we both know that is false, right?

It is not false. You can’t prove you didn’t commit a crime. Let me give an example. You stole $20 from me yesterday. You can’t prove that you didn’t. It is called the benefit of a doubt. A person will likely doubt that you stole the $20 from me yesterday. You get that benefit.

So would you like to amend your statement?

No. You cannot prove a negative.

 

[ding]

God exists. I can prove it by showing you God.

Actually you can’t. God is transcendent. God isn’t a “thing.” God is an action. You can only prove the existence of God indirectly. Using logic and the study of what God created.

So maybe it’s your perception of God that is flawed.

 

[presonorek]

Actually you can’t. God is transcendent. God isn’t a “thing.” God is an action. You can only prove the existence of God indirectly. Using logic and the study of what God created.

So maybe it’s your perception of God that is flawed.

Can you prove a duck exist?

 

[presonorek]

God isn’t a “thing.”

I did notice this too. You aren’t the only one.

 

[Hafar1014]

lol. Once again you fail to understand what is written. I was using the appliance as a way of explaining how things actually work.
And here you go with again not understanding what you read. If you apply a current to a loop of copper it will slowly degrade because the copper adds a small amount of resistance. You add in a drill and you loose that current almost immediately because it is turned into work.

Look you can believe In anything. You can believe that you will turn into an omnipotent tree that create universes or anything else. I really do not care. But I feel that I also have the same right.

When we die our memories and emotions continue intact

 

[ding]

It is not false. You can’t prove you didn’t commit a crime. Let me give an example. You stole $20 from me yesterday. You can’t prove that you didn’t. It is called the benefit of a doubt. A person will likely doubt that you stole the $20 from me yesterday. You get that benefit.

No. You cannot prove a negative.

Let’s say I am accused of murder. Couldn’t I prove I didn’t commit the murder by proving I was somewhere else when it occurred? Or couldn’t I prove it by proving someone else did it?

If you want to prove God doesn’t exist, I suggest you prove something else created a universe finely tuned to produce intelligence and provide an alternate reason for why life is programmed to survive and complexity into higher life forms that are obsessed with fairness.

 

[presonorek]

God is an action. You can only prove the existence of God indirectly. Using logic and the study of what God created.

So maybe it’s your perception of God that is flawed.

What you say isn’t inconsistent with what I believe. Magnificent things have been accomplished in the name of God. He is a powerful force. Motivation to create can come from many sources. Some people create because they are motivated by greed. That doesn’t mean greed doesn’t exist. So I guess as an idea God most certainly exists in the same way greed exists.

God is a powerful source of motivation. The danger comes because God can be reshaped and reformed to fit individual tastes. He isn’t tangible, predictable, or consistent in any way. Some people have killed in the name of God. That doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist. It is just the God idea birthed different motivations in that particular believer.

God does exist.
God doesn’t exist.

I guess both are true.

 

[presonorek]

Let’s say I am accused of murder. Couldn’t I prove I didn’t commit the murder by proving I was somewhere else when it occurred? Or couldn’t I prove it by proving someone else did it?

If you want to prove God doesn’t exist, I suggest you prove something else created a universe finely tuned to produce intelligence and provide an alternate reason for why life is programmed to survive and complexity into higher life forms that are obsessed with fairness.

If you want to prove Zeus* doesn’t exist, I suggest you prove something else created a universe finely tuned to produce intelligence and provide an alternate reason for why life is programmed to survive and complexity into higher life forms that are obsessed with fairness.

*The word Zeus can be replaced with anything even the word Vhoidsapnackle.

 

[ding]

Can you prove a duck exist?

Yes. A duck is not transcendent.

Maybe you meant to say can I prove a transitional fossil that has never been discovered exists. The answer to that is yes, but not directly. I can only infer its existence indirectly by the fossils on both sides of the transitional fossil. Discovering God is done the same way. Indirectly. By inference from what does exist.

 

[ding]

What you say isn’t inconsistent with what I believe. Magnificent things have been accomplished in the name of God. He is a powerful force. Motivation to create can come from many sources. Some people create because they are motivated by greed. That doesn’t mean greed doesn’t exist. So I guess as an idea God most certainly exists in the same way greed exists.

God is a powerful source of motivation. The danger comes because God can be reshaped and reformed to fit individual tastes. He isn’t tangible, predictable, or consistent in any way. Some people have killed in the name of God. That doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist. It is just the God idea birthed different motivations in that particular believer.

God does exist.
God doesn’t exist.

I guess both are true.

That’s not what I am saying at all. Like I said before, maybe try coming up with an alternate explanation for why existence is the way it is without using a moralistic and providential creator.

 

[ding]

I did notice this too. You aren’t the only one.

Ok. My perception of God is based upon logic. Specifically what can be an eternal source of creating. It cannot be matter or energy as we know it, and it cannot be caused to exist by anything else. Call it whatever you like. I call it God.

 

[ding]

Are you serious?

You can’t prove you didn’t commit a crime and our justice system doesn’t demand that.

Yes, I am serious. Regardless of what our justice system demands, I can prove I didn’t commit a crime by proving it would have been impossible for me to commit that crime or by proving someone else committed that crime.

 

[ding]

If you want to prove Zeus* doesn’t exist, I suggest you prove something else created a universe finely tuned to produce intelligence and provide an alternate reason for why life is programmed to survive and complexity into higher life forms that are obsessed with fairness.

*The word Zeus can be replaced with anything even the word Vhoidsapnackle.

No one is arguing Zeus exists. So why would I need to prove Zeus doesn’t exist?

The Greek and Roman gods are hold overs from polytheism. Polytheists believed that the universe has always existed and that the affairs of nature and men are governed by a committee of gods.

Monotheism is based upon a creator God who does not interfere in the lives of men or control nature.

Polytheism was rejected on the grounds that men are responsible for their own actions and that natural processes are responsible for nature.

 

[Meriweather]

If your god gives you evidence of His existence and you get to go to heaven for believing in Him yet I am given no evidence and have the same obligation as you to believe in Him, then that makes you more important than me. I’m pretty sure that will cause me to hate you immensely and it isn’t even your fault. Your wicked, evil, vile, disgusting, hateful, and inconsiderate god put you in this situation. I don’t hate Him just for forsaking me. He has screwed you over as well in the revelation transaction you received.

However, if I pressed you enough you’d tell me the truth that your god actually never revealed Himself to you. It used to be fun for me to expose liars on this subject but I have lost interest in doing that. I have tailored my response as if he really did reveal Himself to you. If God gave you evidence of His existence and doesn’t allow you to share it then I hate that jerk with every cell in my body.

"Blessed are those who have not seen, yet believe." You have a point that knowing is a great weight--but it has nothing to do with "importance". And, no, God did not put anyone in that situation. From my experience I would say we ignorantly, stubbornly, pushed ourselves in, not understanding possible repercussions.

 

[ding]

It used to be fun for me to expose liars on this subject

You should reflect on what that says about you.

 

[Maxdeath]

When we die our memories and emotions continue intact

I have yet to see anything that proves that. So until someone that has been declared dead for longer then a week comes back to life and is the exact same I have to assume that emotions and memories continuing intact is just lingering life and even a need to feel there is something other then our current existence