Zone1 do you believe in a god?

[presonorek]

I know it to be fact, but neither of us can prove a thing to someone else,

This is why I am more of an anti theist than an atheist. Your god gave you evidence that He exists and has barred you from sharing that evidence with me or anybody else.

It is not your fault but your god is a dick and makes you look like one too.

For future reference, if your god reveals something to you, it is best not to share that with anybody. It makes you look like an elitist and causes people to resent you.

If your god gives you evidence of His existence and you get to go to heaven for believing in Him yet I am given no evidence and have the same obligation as you to believe in Him, then that makes you more important than me. I’m pretty sure that will cause me to hate you immensely and it isn’t even your fault. Your wicked, evil, vile, disgusting, hateful, and inconsiderate god put you in this situation. I don’t hate Him just for forsaking me. He has screwed you over as well in the revelation transaction you received.

However, if I pressed you enough you’d tell me the truth that your god actually never revealed Himself to you. It used to be fun for me to expose liars on this subject but I have lost interest in doing that. I have tailored my response as if he really did reveal Himself to you. If God gave you evidence of His existence and doesn’t allow you to share it then I hate that jerk with every cell in my body.

 

[presonorek]

I actually wasn’t going there. I was going towards objectivity. Being objective and not having a preference for an outcome is how one sees reality.

Nobody is objective about God. Everybody wants God to be real.

 

[presonorek]

That's the first time I've heard that. God chooses who is saved and who isn't saved?

It is Calvinist doctrine. Presbyterians and Baptist used to be Calvinist. Calvinists are rare these days but their theology is more workable than any Christian doctrine I have found.

They believe in worshipping God because He is God not for what you can get from Him. In a pure Calvinist mindset, God could tell you the day you were born that He will give you 85 years of the most miserable life imaginable and will torture you in hell for eternity yet you should still worship Him because He is God.

That is an extreme example but basically whatever happens do you will happen to you. Your eternal destination is God’s business, not yours.

 

[presonorek]

If you can prove logically, conclusively, irrefutably that God does not exist, then please share.

And even if you can, can you show what is the harm in believing.

A negative cannot be proven. Demanding proof from a negative claimant does not exempt you from the easy task of proving your positive claim.

A duck exists. I can prove it by showing you a duck.
A duck does not exist. I cannot prove that to you.

God exists. I can prove it by showing you God.
God does not exist. I cannot prove that to you.

Xzertblovins exist. I can prove it by showing you a xzertblovins.
Xzertblovins does not exist. I cannot prove that to you.

I’m not sure why some people have logic repellent when it to the concept that a negative cannot be proven.

A negative cannot be proven. Demanding proof from a negative claimant does not exempt you from the easy task of proving your positive claim.

Thousands of years with no evidence? That doesn’t hint at hoax. That screams hoax. If God exists then He doesn’t want anybody to know it. If He possess omnipotence then he can keep this thibg going as long as He wants.

 

[Chuz Life]

A negative cannot be proven. Demanding proof from a negative claimant does not exempt you from the easy task of proving your positive claim.

A duck exists. I can prove it by showing you a duck.
A duck does not exist. I cannot prove that to you.

God exists. I can prove it by showing you God.
God does not exist. I cannot prove that to you.

Xzertblovins exist. I can prove it by showing you a xzertblovins.
Xzertblovins does not exist. I cannot prove that to you.

I’m not sure why some people have logic repellent when it to the concept that a negative cannot be proven.

A negative cannot be proven. Demanding proof from a negative claimant does not exempt you from the easy task of proving your positive claim.

Thousands of years with no evidence? That doesn’t hint at hoax. That screams hoax. If God exists then He doesn’t want anybody to know it. If He possess omnipotence then he can keep this thibg going as long as He wants.

Does an abortion kill a child?

I can show you that the child/ young/ offspring "exists."

Not trying to derail into an abortion debate. Just seeing if you can apply and abide by your own "logic" above.

 

[presonorek]

Just seeing if you can apply and abide by your own "logic" above.

Yes. The same logic can be applied.

You can prove peanut butter exist but can’t prove peanut butter does not exist.

You can prove Leprechauns exist but you can’t prove Leprechauns don’t exist.

I’m not sure why your example challenges the methodology.

 

[presonorek]

the child/ young/ offspring "exists."

Is this your positive claim?

If so the negative claim would be:

The child/young/offspring does not “exist”.

Your positive claim can be proven.
The negative version cannot be proven.

Are you trying to change this into an ideological discussion because logic makes you uncomfortable? I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. As it stands, you have contributed no material until you clarify what you said. The exact same logic can be applied to what you said unless I misunderstood what you said.

 

[Chuz Life]

Is this your positive claim?

If so the negative claim would be:

The child/young/offspring does not “exist”.

Your positive claim can be proven.
The negative version cannot be proven.

Are you trying to change this into an ideological discussion because logic makes you uncomfortable? I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. As it stands, you have contributed no material until you clarify what you said. The exact same logic can be applied to what you said unless I misunderstood what you said.

Having previewed your previous posts on abortion,

Search results for query: abortion

I couldn't find where you ever acknowledged the fact that an abortion kills a child.
I am an agnostic on religion, myself.
Thanks for the recognition/ clarification. ​

 

[presonorek]

I couldn't find where you ever acknowledged the fact that an abortion kills a child.​

I find that ironic. You are making a negative claim.

 

[Chuz Life]

I find that ironic. You are making a negative claim.

I'm willing to look at any positive evidence that indicates your prior acknowledgments of the fact that an abortion kills a child.

So, the only thing I'm claiming is the fact that I haven't been able to find it before now.

So, again, I thank you for your clarification.

 

[presonorek]

Having previewed your previous posts on abortion,

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I couldn't find ​

You aren’t referencing anything I have ever said that implies that I am inconsistent about my belief that a negative cannot be proven.

You have one more post left to start making sense. If your next post don’t make any sense then I will have to stop entertaining you. Does that sound fair?

You haven’t really said anything yet. Your posts are 100% neutral and pointless. Pointless means without a point. Make a point in your next post or I’m abandoning this discussion.

 

[Chuz Life]

You aren’t referencing anything I have ever said that implies that I am inconsistent about my belief that a negative cannot be proven.

Maybe that's because I don't disagree with the claim that "a negative can't be proven"

Post in thread 'States would decide on their own abortion laws. Really?'

Jun 17, 2022

Yea because some shady Heritage Foundation judge legislated from the bench. Yes, you guys spent YEARS setting this up. Decades.

All you need to do is "prove the negative."

I can give you quite a bit of evidence that shows a child's life begins at and by conception.

You simply have to prove against that evidence with something more than diversions, obstructions and denials.

• Chuz Life

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You have one more post left to start making sense. If your next post don’t make any sense then I will have to stop entertaining you. Does that sound fair?

You haven’t really said anything yet. Your posts are 100% neutral and pointless. Pointless means without a point. Make a point in your next post or I’m abandoning this discussion.

I have nothing to prove. I challenged you to see if you were consistent in the application and use of your logic and it (so far) looks like you are.

I expected you to deny that an abortion kills a child, and when challenged to be consistent with your logic, you didn't deny it.

Respect.

 

[presonorek]

Search results for query: abortion

If you were given 9 free tickets to have unlimited loyalty from the congress, senate and president to pass 9 laws, what would they be? I am not going to give 9 of my own opinions but sarcastic laws from people I perceive to be retarded.

1. Outlaw all abortions by punishing the doctors performing abortions to pay a $10 fine and all the mothers seeking abortions to pay a $20 fine.

2. Outlaw gay marriage by fining the two married people $100 per year for remaining married and fining the person for performing the marriage a $7 fine.

3. Outlaw racism by fining people having racist thoughts $50 per thought. Furthermore all racist comments or jokes should be punished with an one year prison sentence but only if allowed under the first amendment of the constitution.

4. Outlaw excessive taxation by limiting the federal income tax to 15% of income, state income tax to 10%, state sales tax to 7%, county property tax to 55 cents per $100 of value, city property tax to 55 cents per $100 of value. Governments would have to rely on user fees for any additional revenues.

5. Outlaw violations of the right to bear arms. Any government official elected, appointed, or otherwise employed by a government entity violating the right to bear arms should be fined $1,000,000 for the first, second, and third offense. The fourth offense would be punished by hanging.

6. Outlaw trans gender behavior. Anyone publicly identifying as trans gender should pay a $50 fine or $150 fine if the incident occurs on a Monday. This is only forbidden if permissible under the 1st amendment of the constitution.

7. Outlaw homosexual behaviors. Each homosexual act should be punished with a $750 fine. This includes oral, anal, or other types of gratifying sexual acts with someone of the same gender.

8. Outlaw abortion. This law is super important so it must be mentioned twice. Doctors performing abortion should pay a $10 fine. Mothers requesting abortion should pay a $20 fine.

9. Outlaw Critical Race Theory. People teaching critical race theory should pay an one dollar fine per day for any day critical race theory is taught. The organization housing an individual must also pay a $365 fine per year per teacher in their organization teaching critical race theory. Critical Race Theory should be defined as "saying things I don't like either formally or informally". I must be consulted with for each individual incident to make sure it is ok or not.

What 9 laws would you make? What do you think of the 9 laws I would pass? Let's have some fun with this thread. The sky is the limit.

Here are some things I said a long time ago about abortion.

 

[Chuz Life]

Here are some things I said a long time ago about abortion.

Hard Pass. You already answered my question.

 

[presonorek]

.I expected you to deny that an abortion kills a child

Why? Nobody has ever denied that an abortion kills a child. And how would it have benefited you if I did deny that an abortion kills a child?

 

[presonorek]

If you can prove logically, conclusively, irrefutably that God does not exist, then please share.

And even if you can, can you show what is the harm in believing in God?

If God exists then He would have been proven by now unless He doesn’t want to be proven.

 

[Chuz Life]

Why? Nobody has ever denied that an abortion kills a child. And how would it have benefited you if I did deny that an abortion kills a child?

Here are at least 25 who deny that an abortion kills a child.

CDZ Thread 'POLL: An Abortion Kills a Child'

May 26, 2020

Reminder.

1. This thread is in the CDZ; ALL CDZ rules apply.
2. You can change your answers at any time.
3. All sides are invited to present any and all evidence to support their views.
4. Posts and responses are asked to be confined to the subject of this OP. "Does and abortion kill a child, or not?"
5. For Reference, this thread and poll is in reference to abortions and the biology of HUMAN beings, only.
6. This thread is NOT about whether or not abortions "SHOULD" be legal or illegal. It is ONLY about whether or not an abortion kills a child.

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• abortion biology child person
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To answer the rest, I wasn't looking for any benefit. Only for consistency, and you passed.

Like I said, Respect!

 

[presonorek]

Not trying to derail into an abortion debate.

Since I scored some sort of honor points for consistency, would you like to earn some honor points for honesty by retracting the above statement by admitting that you actually were trying to derail into an abortion debate?

 

[Chuz Life]

Since I scored some sort of honor points for consistency, would you like to earn some honor points for honesty by retracting the above statement by admitting that you actually were trying to derail into an abortion debate?

I would if that were true.

However, it's not.

I don't want or need to debate it. Especially, not with someone who already gets the point of the "logic" and how it applies.

 

[presonorek]

I would if that were true.

However, it's not.

I don't want or need to debate it. Especially, not with someone who already gets the point of the "logic" and how it applies.

That’s only because I refused to tolerate a detail. I saw your motive from the get go. You basically gave it away by saying it wasn’t your motive. I’m sorry. I can’t grant you points just because you granted them to me.

You know what you were up to and even left a trail.