Do we need a constitutional convention to remove the second Amendment?

[Antares]

Just stay in the house, that way the boogeyman won't get you coward.

When faced with a problem, the left automatically chooses the solution that leads to less freedom.

Ironic, considering they call themselves "liberals".

Freedom is not having to worry about crazy motherfuckers, like yourself, who want America to be a culture of violence and firearms.

 

[Unkotare]

The problem isn't and has never been the 2nd Amendment. Liberals (or 'progressives,' or 'assholes' or whatever you want to call them) have been working diligently for decades to remove morality, community, shame, accountability, charity, family, faith, personal responsibility, common sense, and human dignity from our society. They have been successful to an alarming degree.

THAT is the problem, and no gun ban will solve it.

 

[NoNukes]

When faced with a problem, the left automatically chooses the solution that leads to less freedom.

Ironic, considering they call themselves "liberals".

Like the Patriot Act?

 

[NYcarbineer]

If conservatives were intellectually honest and consistent in their beliefs,

they would want the 2nd Amendment repealed so that the individual states (states rights)) could decide how to regulate guns,

as opposed to having the big evil central government trump that freedom of choice.

 

[NYcarbineer]

we dont need to remove it.

the founders worded in such a way we can police guns in any way we need to

Again: SCOTUS trumps angry internet retards.

That's what I've said many a time in Roe v Wade discussions. The retards howl in protest.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No. We cant ban guns. Its impractical. There are too many, too easy to hide. The cops wouldnt follow that order, neither would the military.

Now...I do wonder what the Founders would have written if they had an epedimic of colonial schoolhouses being massacred with muskets and bayonets by fellow citizens. But they didn't, their society didnt do that, except through warfare when the Brits did it.

Mental health is an answer to start with.

Second, not a gun ban, but measures for gun security. This kid should never have been near guns. They werent his. He wasn't 21, so he couldnt leagally own a pistol anyway. And that rifle should've been in a safe, somewhere he couldnt get it.

History of School Shootings in the United States | K12 Academics

 

[Antares]

Stupid on it's face, one is an enumerated right while the other is a relatively "new" right suddenly discovered.

If conservatives were intellectually honest and consistent in their beliefs,

they would want the 2nd Amendment repealed so that the individual states (states rights)) could decide how to regulate guns,

as opposed to having the big evil central government trump that freedom of choice.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Stupid on it's face, one is an enumerated right while the other is a relatively "new" right suddenly discovered.

If conservatives were intellectually honest and consistent in their beliefs,

they would want the 2nd Amendment repealed so that the individual states (states rights)) could decide how to regulate guns,

as opposed to having the big evil central government trump that freedom of choice.

That makes no sense. The 2nd Amendment is not an enumerated right. It's an amendment to the original Constitution.

 

[007]

Stupid on it's face, one is an enumerated right while the other is a relatively "new" right suddenly discovered.

If conservatives were intellectually honest and consistent in their beliefs,

they would want the 2nd Amendment repealed so that the individual states (states rights)) could decide how to regulate guns,

as opposed to having the big evil central government trump that freedom of choice.

That makes no sense. The 2nd Amendment is not an enumerated right. It's an amendment to the original Constitution.

That's right, and it's going to stay the way it is.

You damn libroids don't like guns, don't buy one, but leave my right to own one the hell alone.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Michigan had six Constitutional amendments last election, all failed. People are very careful about changing a Constitution. As our government grows ever more socialist and totalitarian, the second amendment's value grows.

Nonsense.

Our government neither grows more socialist nor totalitarian; and indeed it has been state governments and local jurisdictions the most hostile to our civil liberties.

we dont need to remove it.

the founders worded in such a way we can police guns in any way we need to

Again: SCOTUS trumps angry internet retards.

That's what I've said many a time in Roe v Wade discussions. The retards howl in protest.

Very true.

 

[occupied]

Just because most conservative solutions to problems are All or Nothing extremisms does not mean everyone is like that. Personally I do not have a position on gun control, really couldn't care less, at this point anything we could legally try to do will be futile.

 

[Antares]

Your inability to distinguish between what is actually IN the Constitution, and what has been "recently" discovered is not my problem Carb.

Stupid on it's face, one is an enumerated right while the other is a relatively "new" right suddenly discovered.

If conservatives were intellectually honest and consistent in their beliefs,

they would want the 2nd Amendment repealed so that the individual states (states rights)) could decide how to regulate guns,

as opposed to having the big evil central government trump that freedom of choice.

That makes no sense. The 2nd Amendment is not an enumerated right. It's an amendment to the original Constitution.

 

[Dick Tuck]

What a lie DT. You just want a nation of sheep living under rules created by liberals.

No, I don't want a nation of paranoid nuts deciding that any gun regulation is an affront to our civil liberties. I don't want a nation led by the crazies, like yourself.

 

[Too Tall]

So...you want law-abiding people to face armed criminals with no means of self-defense.

Why is this a good thing?

States and localities create a group of government workers charged with that task.

They are called "police".

Catch up.

Sorry here, but you are the one who needs to "catch up". I've had a second cousin murdered. Stabbed to death in Detroit. The Police never found the killer. Experience tells me that they didn't bother to look too hard. My second Cousin was merely coming home from work and refused to give up his wallet.

My Nephew is a Detective in a large Southern City. When the words "shots fired" go out, unless its a fellow officer, the don't tend to get in a big hurry. Better to let the action get over with, than step in and take a chance on not going home that night.

Don't let television skew your views too much..for the most part, these are guys that just want to make it home every night. Very few officers EVER draw and use their weapons. What does THAT tell you?

Unfortunately, if you're looking for "protection", you are going to die waiting. As my Nephew is fond of saying, "It's the job of Police to ENFORCE laws, not PROTECT anyone". Keep in mind, if you will, that it is only the rich and the politicians, that have the "protection" YOU are looking for. Security details, heavily armed and private bodyguards - While they call for US to relinquish OUR protection. Think About It.

Exactly right! Many years ago when I lived in Houston, Texas I had a young man come to work with me part time installing sound systems in schools. He was a part time Deputy Sheriff and tried to get me to get on as a Deputy as well. I asked him what he did when there was a knife fight in one of the black bars in north Houston that was in the news at least once a week.

He said it was the unwritten policy for at least two cars to respond, to drive to the bar with siren and lights on, pull into the parking lot and leave the siren and lights on for a few minutes to make sure all of the patrons that were able too went out the back door. Then call the ambulance and go in and give first aid to the injured.

I declined the request to join the sheriff's dept.

 

[KGB]

No. We cant ban guns. Its impractical. There are too many, too easy to hide. The cops wouldnt follow that order, neither would the military.

Now...I do wonder what the Founders would have written if they had an epedimic of colonial schoolhouses being massacred with muskets and bayonets by fellow citizens. But they didn't, their society didnt do that, except through warfare when the Brits did it.

Mental health is an answer to start with.

Second, not a gun ban, but measures for gun security. This kid should never have been near guns. They werent his. He wasn't 21, so he couldnt leagally own a pistol anyway. And that rifle should've been in a safe, somewhere he couldnt get it.

once again demonstrating that 20,000 failed gun control laws do not work because at the end of the day, criminals do not follow the law anyhow.

 

[Too Tall]

we dont need to remove it.

the founders worded in such a way we can police guns in any way we need to

Two examples of policing guns:

1981, one community made an attempt to enact true control legislation at the local level. The Illinois village of Morton Grove became the first community in the country to ban the sale and possession of handguns.
As the Chicago Tribune reports, the Morton Grove, Illinois handgun ban has been repealed by a 5-1 vote of the village board. The move to repeal the Morton Grove handgun ban attracted little controversy, Village Administrator Joe Wade stated. Only a few Morton Grove residents came to a meeting earlier this month, when the repeal was first on the agenda. The opinions at the meeting were fairly evenly split, Wade said. Fighting in court to try to keep the [likely unconstitutional] law would cost money the village does not have, officials said.
Morton Grove is the latest Illinois city to repeal their handgun ban, following in the wake of Wilmette, IL. Given the utter ineffectiveness of handgun bans, and the injustice such laws inflict upon law abiding citizens who only wish to defend themselves from criminals, I sincerely hope that Oak Park and Chicago abolish their handgun bans as well.

Morton Grove, IL Handgun Ban Repealed | LearnAboutGuns.com 

In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.
The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.

Read more at 25 years murder-free in ‘Gun Town USA’

 

[Too Tall]

No. We cant ban guns. Its impractical. There are too many, too easy to hide. The cops wouldnt follow that order, neither would the military.

Now...I do wonder what the Founders would have written if they had an epedimic of colonial schoolhouses being massacred with muskets and bayonets by fellow citizens. But they didn't, their society didnt do that, except through warfare when the Brits did it.

Mental health is an answer to start with.

Second, not a gun ban, but measures for gun security. This kid should never have been near guns. They werent his. He wasn't 21, so he couldnt leagally own a pistol anyway. And that rifle should've been in a safe, somewhere he couldnt get it.

once again demonstrating that 20,000 failed gun control laws do not work because at the end of the day, criminals do not follow the law anyhow.

I lived in Kennesaw, Ga when a gun law was passed requiring all heads of household to own and maintain a firearm. (maintain was defined as having at least one bullet for the gun).

The liberal Atlanta Journal editorial wrote, and I paraphrase: "All of you burglars that want a gun can drive 25 miles north of Atlanta on I-75 and break into any house and you will find a gun."

Our Mayor wrote a letter to the editor the next day that, to their credit, they published it that said: "All of you burglars that want a gun can drive 25 miles north of Atlanta on I-75 and break into any house and you will find a gun." "However, just remember that you have to come out of that house sometime, and there will be three or four neighbors aiming a gun at you."

We haven't had a burglary problem since.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Do we need a constitutional convention to remove the second Amendment? This seems to be something you leftist are gunning for this morning.

Nope. We don't need that and we don't need one to outlaw abortions or same sex marriage. Each would create a greater divide in an already divided country. What we need are rational and pragmatic laws, regulations and policies and a Congress willing to compromise for the good of the entire country.

 

[daveman]

Do we need a constitutional convention to remove the second Amendment? This seems to be something you leftist are gunning for this morning.

No ‘leftist’ want’s to remove the Second Amendment.

Wrong.

Daily Kos: Repeal the Second Amendment
The poll:

Repeal the Second Amendment

Yes
78% 222 votes
No
19% 55 votes​

Repeal the second amendment - Democratic Underground

Repeal the Second Amendment - Salon.com

Repeal the Second Amendment, Now! by Harvard Hollenberg - Harvard Hollenberg's column on Newsvine

So, it looks like yet again you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[daveman]

When faced with a problem, the left automatically chooses the solution that leads to less freedom.

Ironic, considering they call themselves "liberals".

Freedom is not having to worry about crazy motherfuckers, like yourself, who want America to be a culture of violence and firearms.

What leads you to believe I'm crazy?

Oh, yes -- I'm a conservative. Leftists tend to claim there's something wrong with people who disagree with them. Makes it easier to justify rounding us up, doesn't it?

You loathe the idea of freedom. That's perfectly clear.