Do we agree that a fundamental difference between the right and the left is...

[candycorn]

...what the role of government should be in society? Is it accurate to say that left-wing ideology supports more government programs, more government management/oversight and higher taxes wherein right-wing ideology supports having LESS of those things?

If Trump is an example of right wing ideology…running up trillion+ yearly debts is hardly helps your “argument”

Moreover the fundamental difference between the left and right is integrity and intelligence: The average liberal has both. The average Blob Supporter does not.

If you’re the average Trump supporter you believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton have murdered dozens of people over the years. If you’re the average Trump supporter, you believe that there is this cabal of unelected people in HIS government that are constantly plotting against him and that he is powerless to stop it. If you’re the average Trump supporter, you believe that poor old Donald is not corrupt in any way and is infallible in every way. And it even gets worse when you leave intelligence alone and look at basic integrity. Didn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to be against deficit spending? What happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to be for traditional family values? What happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to believe in free trade? Again what happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to feel that the use of executive orders was not the proper way to govern? What happened?

What happened ? The radical left happened.

It forced conservatives to abandon those traditional things in regards to a war the left had begun against those very things over time. Fundemental change remember ?

good to see your convictions were so weak

Abandonment as in to recreate under new rules that make it harder for the left to exploit such things as easy as they had done before the war.

TRANSLATION: you’re a piece of shit without scruples so you’re blaming others for the void in your character

 

[daveman]

Venezuela started oppressing its citizens before the sanctions.

A United Nations report stated that although the "pervasive and devastating economic and social crisis began before the imposition of the first economic sanctions", the new sanctions could worsen the situation.[5][6] In April 2019, Human Rights Watch and Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published a joint report noting that most early sanctions did not target the Venezuelan economy in any way,[7] adding that sanctions imposed in 2019 could worsen the situation, but that "the crisis precedes them".
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But remember, kids, the US is so evil the bad things they do go back in time to hurt the poor socialists.

You're dismissed, too.

As is what always happens with sanctions, the 'socialists' who run Venezuela don't feel the full effects. The poor do. US is just the local bully boy. Nothing new there. Ask Cuba.

Yes, you just make sure you don't blame the socialists oppressing their own people.

Dumbass.

 

[daveman]

I'm more willing to believe the Danish than I am a random internet Commie.

But then, you're the guy who said you know more about Marxism than Marx.

You're dismissed.

So that fact that the US has put sanctions on Venezuela's major export earner because the US spat the dummy like a little baby, has no bearing at all on the economy of Venezuela? Is that the Snake Oil you are selling today? Surely you're not that stupid...

Venezuela started oppressing its citizens before the sanctions.

A United Nations report stated that although the "pervasive and devastating economic and social crisis began before the imposition of the first economic sanctions", the new sanctions could worsen the situation.[5][6] In April 2019, Human Rights Watch and Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published a joint report noting that most early sanctions did not target the Venezuelan economy in any way,[7] adding that sanctions imposed in 2019 could worsen the situation, but that "the crisis precedes them".
​

But remember, kids, the US is so evil the bad things they do go back in time to hurt the poor socialists.

You're dismissed, too.

We had sanctions against them going back to the beginning of George W bush and covert garbage too. Now they can't sell their oil basically at all. To blame socialism is ridiculous.

The socialist government was oppressing Venezuelans long before the sanctions were put in place.

Dumbass.

 

[beagle9]

...what the role of government should be in society? Is it accurate to say that left-wing ideology supports more government programs, more government management/oversight and higher taxes wherein right-wing ideology supports having LESS of those things?

If Trump is an example of right wing ideology…running up trillion+ yearly debts is hardly helps your “argument”

Moreover the fundamental difference between the left and right is integrity and intelligence: The average liberal has both. The average Blob Supporter does not.

If you’re the average Trump supporter you believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton have murdered dozens of people over the years. If you’re the average Trump supporter, you believe that there is this cabal of unelected people in HIS government that are constantly plotting against him and that he is powerless to stop it. If you’re the average Trump supporter, you believe that poor old Donald is not corrupt in any way and is infallible in every way. And it even gets worse when you leave intelligence alone and look at basic integrity. Didn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to be against deficit spending? What happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to be for traditional family values? What happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to believe in free trade? Again what happened? DIdn’t you guys (the average Trump supporter) used to feel that the use of executive orders was not the proper way to govern? What happened?

What happened ? The radical left happened.

It forced conservatives to abandon those traditional things in regards to a war the left had begun against those very things over time. Fundemental change remember ?

good to see your convictions were so weak

Abandonment as in to recreate under new rules that make it harder for the left to exploit such things as easy as they had done before the war.

TRANSLATION: you’re a piece of shit without scruples so you’re blaming others for the void in your character

Resort to personal attacks when losing the argument eh ?? Oh and I'm doing just great in life, so I'm sorry to disappoint.

 

[Dr Grump]

Yes, you just make sure you don't blame the socialists oppressing their own people.

Dumbass.

Unlike Batista in Cuba who was the local Messiah...a dictator is a dictator is a dictator. The only difference between Castro and Batista is the latter was the USA's man..

...and you call me a dumbarse...

 

[daveman]

Yes, you just make sure you don't blame the socialists oppressing their own people.

Dumbass.

Unlike Batista in Cuba who was the local Messiah...a dictator is a dictator is a dictator. The only difference between Castro and Batista is the latter was the USA's man..

...and you call me a dumbarse...

A dictator is a dictator -- except when he's a socialist, apparently. Then he's awesome. And besides, it's all America's fault anyway.

Right?

Yes. You ARE a dumbass.

 

[dblack]

Yes, you just make sure you don't blame the socialists oppressing their own people.

Dumbass.

Unlike Batista in Cuba who was the local Messiah...a dictator is a dictator is a dictator. The only difference between Castro and Batista is the latter was the USA's man..

...and you call me a dumbarse...

A dictator is a dictator -- except when he's a socialist, apparently. Then he's awesome. And besides, it's all America's fault anyway.

Right?

Yes. You ARE a dumbass.

The key is that's it's democratic. Because the majority can never be wrong. Or something.

 

[dblack]

"Do we agree that a fundamental difference between the right and the left is..."
If right and left refers to Democrats and Republicans, and those who support them, I don't see any fundamental differences.

 

[Dr Grump]

Yes, you just make sure you don't blame the socialists oppressing their own people.

Dumbass.

Unlike Batista in Cuba who was the local Messiah...a dictator is a dictator is a dictator. The only difference between Castro and Batista is the latter was the USA's man..

...and you call me a dumbarse...

A dictator is a dictator -- except when he's a socialist, apparently. Then he's awesome. And besides, it's all America's fault anyway.

Right?

Yes. You ARE a dumbass.

No the difference between you and me Dave is that I don't like any dictators - whether they be from the right or left.

America can certainly take its fair share of the blame for the shit going down in the world.

I'd put my IQ up against yours any day of the week.

 

[Vandalshandle]

No, we would much prefer the GOP to remain unchanged. In fact, we are counting on it.

The GOP needs to return to its conservative roots.

We have one liberal party. We damn sure don't need two.

Conservative "roots"? Who would that be, George Wallace?

To racists, everything's about race.

I'm talking about support for the Constitution. Ever read it? It's fascinating. Bears little resemblance to what we've got today. Leftists in both parties seem to think it's optional.

Well, I still trying to figure out who the "roots" of the conservative GOP is that you seem to think is the true home of the GOP. It wasn't Ike. Nixon was a crook, but he wasn't what you would call the conservative root. Ford? Don't make me laugh. Reagan? He is the one who signed into law free phones for the poor, and Free ER at hospitals for the indigent. Bush I? Don't think so. He gave us free RX with Medicare. Bush II? He called himself a compassionate conservative. Who was this mystery man?

I said "conservative roots" as in "conservatism". I said "I'm talking about support for the Constitution."

At least try to keep up.

Oh yeah. You mean Trump's promise to "round up" illegal immigrants and deport them without due process!

 

[Vandalshandle]

Considering that the last time the GOP nominated a conservative president was a guy Calvin, I would not hold your breath.

I'm not. This country's circling the leftist toilet.

Shame, too.

It is almost as if decades of voting for the lesser or two evils was not a good strategy.

If people had been voting Democrat the whole time, America would be a third-world nation already. Electing Republicans occasionally has merely delayed the flushing.

...and all this time, I have been thinking that JFK and LBJ put us light years ahead of the Soviets in space!

If JFK was getting his political career started today, he'd be run out of the Democratic Party.

"Ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country."

Oh so very NOT a liberal view.

So it was CONSERVATIVES who volunteered for the Peace Corp!

 

[LaDairis]

...what the role of government should be in society? Is it accurate to say that left-wing ideology supports more government programs, more government management/oversight and higher taxes wherein right-wing ideology supports having LESS of those things?

It should.

The pre 1998 GOP was for smaller government.

The post 1998 GOP is not. The post 1998 GOP only cares about one thing = ISRAEL

 

[beagle9]

The GOP needs to return to its conservative roots.

We have one liberal party. We damn sure don't need two.

Conservative "roots"? Who would that be, George Wallace?

To racists, everything's about race.

I'm talking about support for the Constitution. Ever read it? It's fascinating. Bears little resemblance to what we've got today. Leftists in both parties seem to think it's optional.

Well, I still trying to figure out who the "roots" of the conservative GOP is that you seem to think is the true home of the GOP. It wasn't Ike. Nixon was a crook, but he wasn't what you would call the conservative root. Ford? Don't make me laugh. Reagan? He is the one who signed into law free phones for the poor, and Free ER at hospitals for the indigent. Bush I? Don't think so. He gave us free RX with Medicare. Bush II? He called himself a compassionate conservative. Who was this mystery man?

I said "conservative roots" as in "conservatism". I said "I'm talking about support for the Constitution."

At least try to keep up.

Oh yeah. You mean Trump's promise to "round up" illegal immigrants and deport them without due process!

Due process for Invaders that are illegally here ? Seems like a helpful hand back across the border is due process enough for them.

Now as for the enablers who are American, then yeah they had best seek council when their due process court case comes along, otherwise for aiding and abetting these people in order to undermine our institution of laws in this country. You know the one's that the majority of American's have to obey, while others are above those same laws or rather the one's that don't apply to them ?

 

[daveman]

The GOP needs to return to its conservative roots.

We have one liberal party. We damn sure don't need two.

Conservative "roots"? Who would that be, George Wallace?

To racists, everything's about race.

I'm talking about support for the Constitution. Ever read it? It's fascinating. Bears little resemblance to what we've got today. Leftists in both parties seem to think it's optional.

Well, I still trying to figure out who the "roots" of the conservative GOP is that you seem to think is the true home of the GOP. It wasn't Ike. Nixon was a crook, but he wasn't what you would call the conservative root. Ford? Don't make me laugh. Reagan? He is the one who signed into law free phones for the poor, and Free ER at hospitals for the indigent. Bush I? Don't think so. He gave us free RX with Medicare. Bush II? He called himself a compassionate conservative. Who was this mystery man?

I said "conservative roots" as in "conservatism". I said "I'm talking about support for the Constitution."

At least try to keep up.

Oh yeah. You mean Trump's promise to "round up" illegal immigrants and deport them without due process!

No. I said nothing like that. Really.

Stop listening to the voices in your head. They're unreliable.

 

[daveman]

I'm not. This country's circling the leftist toilet.

Shame, too.

It is almost as if decades of voting for the lesser or two evils was not a good strategy.

If people had been voting Democrat the whole time, America would be a third-world nation already. Electing Republicans occasionally has merely delayed the flushing.

...and all this time, I have been thinking that JFK and LBJ put us light years ahead of the Soviets in space!

If JFK was getting his political career started today, he'd be run out of the Democratic Party.

"Ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country."

Oh so very NOT a liberal view.

So it was CONSERVATIVES who volunteered for the Peace Corp!

Can you, like, stop screeching incoherently?

 

[daveman]

Conservative "roots"? Who would that be, George Wallace?

To racists, everything's about race.

I'm talking about support for the Constitution. Ever read it? It's fascinating. Bears little resemblance to what we've got today. Leftists in both parties seem to think it's optional.

Well, I still trying to figure out who the "roots" of the conservative GOP is that you seem to think is the true home of the GOP. It wasn't Ike. Nixon was a crook, but he wasn't what you would call the conservative root. Ford? Don't make me laugh. Reagan? He is the one who signed into law free phones for the poor, and Free ER at hospitals for the indigent. Bush I? Don't think so. He gave us free RX with Medicare. Bush II? He called himself a compassionate conservative. Who was this mystery man?

I said "conservative roots" as in "conservatism". I said "I'm talking about support for the Constitution."

At least try to keep up.

Oh yeah. You mean Trump's promise to "round up" illegal immigrants and deport them without due process!

Due process for Invaders that are illegally here ? Seems like a helpful hand back across the border is due process enough for them.

Now as for the enablers who are American, then yeah they had best seek council when their due process court case comes along, otherwise for aiding and abetting these people in order to undermine our institution of laws in this country. You know the one's that the majority of American's have to obey, while others are above those same laws or rather the one's that don't apply to them ?

I'd like to see conspiracy and aiding & abetting charges brought against those who release illegals who then go on to commit crimes.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Conservative "roots"? Who would that be, George Wallace?

To racists, everything's about race.

I'm talking about support for the Constitution. Ever read it? It's fascinating. Bears little resemblance to what we've got today. Leftists in both parties seem to think it's optional.

Well, I still trying to figure out who the "roots" of the conservative GOP is that you seem to think is the true home of the GOP. It wasn't Ike. Nixon was a crook, but he wasn't what you would call the conservative root. Ford? Don't make me laugh. Reagan? He is the one who signed into law free phones for the poor, and Free ER at hospitals for the indigent. Bush I? Don't think so. He gave us free RX with Medicare. Bush II? He called himself a compassionate conservative. Who was this mystery man?

I said "conservative roots" as in "conservatism". I said "I'm talking about support for the Constitution."

At least try to keep up.

Oh yeah. You mean Trump's promise to "round up" illegal immigrants and deport them without due process!

Due process for Invaders that are illegally here ? Seems like a helpful hand back across the border is due process enough for them.

Now as for the enablers who are American, then yeah they had best seek council when their due process court case comes along, otherwise for aiding and abetting these people in order to undermine our institution of laws in this country. You know the one's that the majority of American's have to obey, while others are above those same laws or rather the one's that don't apply to them ?

So, you and Trump feel that a person who you have decided is guilty of being an illegal immigrant can be legally deported without a trial to prove that he is, in fact, and illegal immigrant. So this is what you can constitutional conservatism?

 

[Vandalshandle]

It is almost as if decades of voting for the lesser or two evils was not a good strategy.

If people had been voting Democrat the whole time, America would be a third-world nation already. Electing Republicans occasionally has merely delayed the flushing.

...and all this time, I have been thinking that JFK and LBJ put us light years ahead of the Soviets in space!

If JFK was getting his political career started today, he'd be run out of the Democratic Party.

"Ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country."

Oh so very NOT a liberal view.

So it was CONSERVATIVES who volunteered for the Peace Corp!

Can you, like, stop screeching incoherently?

Well, I'm just shocked at this news! I mean, I remember the 1960's well, and all those conservatives who volunteered for the Peace Corp sure did act a lot like hippies!

 

[Vandalshandle]

To racists, everything's about race.

I'm talking about support for the Constitution. Ever read it? It's fascinating. Bears little resemblance to what we've got today. Leftists in both parties seem to think it's optional.

Well, I still trying to figure out who the "roots" of the conservative GOP is that you seem to think is the true home of the GOP. It wasn't Ike. Nixon was a crook, but he wasn't what you would call the conservative root. Ford? Don't make me laugh. Reagan? He is the one who signed into law free phones for the poor, and Free ER at hospitals for the indigent. Bush I? Don't think so. He gave us free RX with Medicare. Bush II? He called himself a compassionate conservative. Who was this mystery man?

I said "conservative roots" as in "conservatism". I said "I'm talking about support for the Constitution."

At least try to keep up.

Oh yeah. You mean Trump's promise to "round up" illegal immigrants and deport them without due process!

Due process for Invaders that are illegally here ? Seems like a helpful hand back across the border is due process enough for them.

Now as for the enablers who are American, then yeah they had best seek council when their due process court case comes along, otherwise for aiding and abetting these people in order to undermine our institution of laws in this country. You know the one's that the majority of American's have to obey, while others are above those same laws or rather the one's that don't apply to them ?

I'd like to see conspiracy and aiding & abetting charges brought against those who release illegals who then go on to commit crimes.

I have no problem if a city holds over someone who has violated federal law, as long as the ICE does similar service to the city by writing speeding tickets on Main Street..

 

[daveman]

If people had been voting Democrat the whole time, America would be a third-world nation already. Electing Republicans occasionally has merely delayed the flushing.

...and all this time, I have been thinking that JFK and LBJ put us light years ahead of the Soviets in space!

If JFK was getting his political career started today, he'd be run out of the Democratic Party.

"Ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country."

Oh so very NOT a liberal view.

So it was CONSERVATIVES who volunteered for the Peace Corp!

Can you, like, stop screeching incoherently?

Well, I'm just shocked at this news! I mean, I remember the 1960's well, and all those conservatives who volunteered for the Peace Corp sure did act a lot like hippies!

So, the answer to my question is No. You cannot stop screeching incoherently.

It's a plain fact: JFK's "ask not" speech is 180 degrees out of phase with current Democrat doctrine.