Do today’s Democrats believe that ‘wealth’ is something distributed and not earned or created?

[Slade3200]

We often hear Lefties talk about “wealth distribution”....I don’t even know what that is...Do Dems believe ALL Americans are due some sort of distribution of wealth simply for being in America?

This is the kind of stuff I’ve read....
“In the USA, the top 20% get 80% of the wealth. This is the most lopsided distribution of wealth in the first world. The American middle class get's 11% of the nation's wealth, but pays more than half the taxes? How is that fair.”

“You clowns keep talking about what percentage of taxes the wealthy pay, without ever mentioning what percentage of the nation's income and wealth they receive in the first place. Republicans go to great lengths to obscure the income disparity in the USA and the real effects of their tax cuts.”

These people actually believe “THE NATION” owns the income and wealth...hahaha

Wow, look at you trying to sound all smart and talk economics with the big boys. I applaud your effort. The thing I think you are missing is the fact that currency is nothing more than paper and metal and digits on a screen. It’s not real, it’s part of the game that we call economics. Within this game you have a society trying to function using these currencies to perform commerce and trade goods and services.

when you think of our economy like a game master and see the big picture of how it all works you will understand the roll that divisions in wealth play. When you see companies like Costco who are able to function on a 10% margin while mom and pop shops need 30%-40% to keep the doors open you see how the wealth of an economy gets vacuumed up to the Top earners and how they gain more power by buying and owning more and more of our businesses and real estate. This isn’t healthy for the long term outlook of our society and will end up in a form or socialism...corporate socialism.

you seem to look at those who complain about wealth inequality as people wanting hand outs but it’s a much larger issue than that. At the very very least our economy should function in a way that a person who puts in a full days work can earn enough to support a decent lifestyle for themselves and their family.

 

[BrokeLoser]

We often hear Lefties talk about “wealth distribution”....I don’t even know what that is...Do Dems believe ALL Americans are due some sort of distribution of wealth simply for being in America?

This is the kind of stuff I’ve read....
“In the USA, the top 20% get 80% of the wealth. This is the most lopsided distribution of wealth in the first world. The American middle class get's 11% of the nation's wealth, but pays more than half the taxes? How is that fair.”

“You clowns keep talking about what percentage of taxes the wealthy pay, without ever mentioning what percentage of the nation's income and wealth they receive in the first place. Republicans go to great lengths to obscure the income disparity in the USA and the real effects of their tax cuts.”

These people actually believe “THE NATION” owns the income and wealth...hahaha

Since you asked, politely, I'll give you a quick answer. It's 3:00 p.m. on Thanksgiving day, and I'm about to shower, change and head out to tonight's turkey feast and celebration.

You talk about the income, as if it's the wealthy who create the income. They don't. The executives and the shareholders at McDonalds, aren't generating the income they receive. The kids making, flipping and selling the burgers, and serving the customers are the ones generating the income. The shareholders are providing the capital to build the store, and the executives are managing the advertizing and the corporate strategies, but the money coming in the front door of the business comes fromo the sales of hamburgers and french frieds and soft drinks, and that's the work done by the low wage workers.

The franchise agreement dictates the distribution of that money. Posters here have said franchise fees are only 4%, so head office isn't getting that much. Law clerks, unlike legal secretaries, don't work for one lawyer. We work for Departments, and we work with all of the lawyers in those department, and we're more specialized. One of "my lawyers" was a franchise lawyer, so I've worked on the McDonald's franchise agreement, and my comment was "No wonder the store owners make no money".

Franchise fee - 4% of gross sales. Not that much really, but we're just getting started. Advertizing fee - 4%. There is also a printing fee - menus, placemats, napkins, burger wrappers, anything with the Logo. I don't remember the rest of the percentages because it was 20 years ago, and there was more. In, in all, more than 10% of gross sales was going to head office in fees and costs. All of these fees and costs being paid from the sales of the burgers and fries being produced by minimum wage workers.

The store owner is also required to purchase all inventory and food from Corporate. They can't shop around for the best deals from local suppliers. And if corporate decides your store needs to be reburished, they will order you to redecorate. All furniture and fixtures in this redecoration must be purchased through corporate to maintain the signature McDonald's look. Again everything is paid paid for from the sale of the burgers and fries.

Bear in mind that net profits - after expenses, before taxes, ranges between 5 and 15%, in the restaurant business. Even with a 15% profit margin, if you have to send 10% of your gross sales to head office, there's not much left over for the store owner. And they also sell you all of your food and supplies to operate. Very little of money coming into your store stays in your pockets or your community. Communities benefit when workers are well paid, and have disposable income to spend in the stores. Or the restaurant patronizes local suppliers for food, supplies or services. Corporate doesn't allow any of that.

McDonald's offers store owners a "turn key operation". They build the store, hand them a check, and open tomorrow. Every week a truck pulls up from head office to with every you need for your store. No sourcing, purchasing or thought goes into it. It's ideal for someone who goes in knowing nothing about the restaurant business, but they own your ass.

But all of the money earned by McDonald's corporation, comes from the sale of burgers paid by minimum wage workers. If corporate stopped bleeding the stores white, and stopped taking all of the money they can out of the stores, both the staff and the store owners would get a better shake.

Of course the President of McDonalds wouldn't be making more than $20 million per year, and the shareholders wouldn't be getting record dividends. You have to feel for the shareholder class - they get 50% of the income, even though fewer than 40% of them actually work or have jobs. Sitting on their asses, collecting dividend checks, living off the income generated by the kids.

80% of the people in the bottom 20% work full time - and they have to get government subsidies to keep body and soul together. Republicans call these workers "takers". But 60% of the wealthy, sit on their asses, living off their income generated by these people, and you say they're entitled to everything they get, because they create jobs.

Demand creates jobs. If you cease to have product to sell because you have no workers, you'll have to go out business in a heart beat. If the American workers are creating all of this wealth for people sitting on their asses at home, shouldn't they get a fairer share of that money?

Shouldn't the kids who are making all of these people so very rich be paid at least enough money to keep a roof over their heads?

Here in the greatest nation on earth we have a very simple system, one where people have the freedom to work for whatever they are willing to work for...those poor wetbacks you describe who work at McDonalds are earning exactly what they agree to work for...Weird huh......TA-DA!
What else can I teach you?

 

[WEATHER53]

We often hear Lefties talk about “wealth distribution”....I don’t even know what that is...Do Dems believe ALL Americans are due some sort of distribution of wealth simply for being in America?

This is the kind of stuff I’ve read....
“In the USA, the top 20% get 80% of the wealth. This is the most lopsided distribution of wealth in the first world. The American middle class get's 11% of the nation's wealth, but pays more than half the taxes? How is that fair.”

“You clowns keep talking about what percentage of taxes the wealthy pay, without ever mentioning what percentage of the nation's income and wealth they receive in the first place. Republicans go to great lengths to obscure the income disparity in the USA and the real effects of their tax cuts.”

These people actually believe “THE NATION” owns the income and wealth...hahaha

Since you asked, politely, I'll give you a quick answer. It's 3:00 p.m. on Thanksgiving day, and I'm about to shower, change and head out to tonight's turkey feast and celebration.

You talk about the income, as if it's the wealthy who create the income. They don't. The executives and the shareholders at McDonalds, aren't generating the income they receive. The kids making, flipping and selling the burgers, and serving the customers are the ones generating the income. The shareholders are providing the capital to build the store, and the executives are managing the advertizing and the corporate strategies, but the money coming in the front door of the business comes fromo the sales of hamburgers and french frieds and soft drinks, and that's the work done by the low wage workers.

The franchise agreement dictates the distribution of that money. Posters here have said franchise fees are only 4%, so head office isn't getting that much. Law clerks, unlike legal secretaries, don't work for one lawyer. We work for Departments, and we work with all of the lawyers in those department, and we're more specialized. One of "my lawyers" was a franchise lawyer, so I've worked on the McDonald's franchise agreement, and my comment was "No wonder the store owners make no money".

Franchise fee - 4% of gross sales. Not that much really, but we're just getting started. Advertizing fee - 4%. There is also a printing fee - menus, placemats, napkins, burger wrappers, anything with the Logo. I don't remember the rest of the percentages because it was 20 years ago, and there was more. In, in all, more than 10% of gross sales was going to head office in fees and costs. All of these fees and costs being paid from the sales of the burgers and fries being produced by minimum wage workers.

The store owner is also required to purchase all inventory and food from Corporate. They can't shop around for the best deals from local suppliers. And if corporate decides your store needs to be reburished, they will order you to redecorate. All furniture and fixtures in this redecoration must be purchased through corporate to maintain the signature McDonald's look. Again everything is paid paid for from the sale of the burgers and fries.

Bear in mind that net profits - after expenses, before taxes, ranges between 5 and 15%, in the restaurant business. Even with a 15% profit margin, if you have to send 10% of your gross sales to head office, there's not much left over for the store owner. And they also sell you all of your food and supplies to operate. Very little of money coming into your store stays in your pockets or your community. Communities benefit when workers are well paid, and have disposable income to spend in the stores. Or the restaurant patronizes local suppliers for food, supplies or services. Corporate doesn't allow any of that.

McDonald's offers store owners a "turn key operation". They build the store, hand them a check, and open tomorrow. Every week a truck pulls up from head office to with every you need for your store. No sourcing, purchasing or thought goes into it. It's ideal for someone who goes in knowing nothing about the restaurant business, but they own your ass.

But all of the money earned by McDonald's corporation, comes from the sale of burgers paid by minimum wage workers. If corporate stopped bleeding the stores white, and stopped taking all of the money they can out of the stores, both the staff and the store owners would get a better shake.

Of course the President of McDonalds wouldn't be making more than $20 million per year, and the shareholders wouldn't be getting record dividends. You have to feel for the shareholder class - they get 50% of the income, even though fewer than 40% of them actually work or have jobs. Sitting on their asses, collecting dividend checks, living off the income generated by the kids.

80% of the people in the bottom 20% work full time - and they have to get government subsidies to keep body and soul together. Republicans call these workers "takers". But 60% of the wealthy, sit on their asses, living off their income generated by these people, and you say they're entitled to everything they get, because they create jobs.

Demand creates jobs. If you cease to have product to sell because you have no workers, you'll have to go out business in a heart beat. If the American workers are creating all of this wealth for people sitting on their asses at home, shouldn't they get a fairer share of that money?

Shouldn't the kids who are making all of these people so very rich be paid at least enough money to keep a roof over their heads?

Palaver
The people who create the wealth are not the burger flippers but rather who bought the land , built the building, obtained the franchise, and bankrolled the doors being able to open.
You are another emotetard

 

[BrokeLoser]

We often hear Lefties talk about “wealth distribution”....I don’t even know what that is...Do Dems believe ALL Americans are due some sort of distribution of wealth simply for being in America?

This is the kind of stuff I’ve read....
“In the USA, the top 20% get 80% of the wealth. This is the most lopsided distribution of wealth in the first world. The American middle class get's 11% of the nation's wealth, but pays more than half the taxes? How is that fair.”

“You clowns keep talking about what percentage of taxes the wealthy pay, without ever mentioning what percentage of the nation's income and wealth they receive in the first place. Republicans go to great lengths to obscure the income disparity in the USA and the real effects of their tax cuts.”

These people actually believe “THE NATION” owns the income and wealth...hahaha

Wow, look at you trying to sound all smart and talk economics with the big boys. I applaud your effort. The thing I think you are missing is the fact that currency is nothing more than paper and metal and digits on a screen. It’s not real, it’s part of the game that we call economics. Within this game you have a society trying to function using these currencies to perform commerce and trade goods and services.

when you think of our economy like a game master and see the big picture of how it all works you will understand the roll that divisions in wealth play. When you see companies like Costco who are able to function on a 10% margin while mom and pop shops need 30%-40% to keep the doors open you see how the wealth of an economy gets vacuumed up to the Top earners and how they gain more power by buying and owning more and more of our businesses and real estate. This isn’t healthy for the long term outlook of our society and will end up in a form or socialism...corporate socialism.

you seem to look at those who complain about wealth inequality as people wanting hand outs but it’s a much larger issue than that. At the very very least our economy should function in a way that a person who puts in a full days work can earn enough to support a decent lifestyle for themselves and their family.

Believe me when I tell you; I’ve forgot more about commerce and economics than you’ll ever know.
Moving on.
That all sounds totally reasonable...BUT in saving the world with your bleeding hearts you DOGOODERS have perpetuated, manifested and fostered a massive underclass of people....you simply have too many people fighting for jobs reserved for children and the brainless...jobs that were never intended for 35 year old Guadalupe with seven silver tooth money trees. You have flooded the once thriving, once prosperous blue collar trades with desperate thirdworlders legal and illegal whom are willing to work for shit and live like the human cockroaches they are....The problem you have was created by you...You can’t change the system to adapt to your ignorance...Ray Charles saw this coming dummy.

 

[BrokeLoser]

We often hear Lefties talk about “wealth distribution”....I don’t even know what that is...Do Dems believe ALL Americans are due some sort of distribution of wealth simply for being in America?

This is the kind of stuff I’ve read....
“In the USA, the top 20% get 80% of the wealth. This is the most lopsided distribution of wealth in the first world. The American middle class get's 11% of the nation's wealth, but pays more than half the taxes? How is that fair.”

“You clowns keep talking about what percentage of taxes the wealthy pay, without ever mentioning what percentage of the nation's income and wealth they receive in the first place. Republicans go to great lengths to obscure the income disparity in the USA and the real effects of their tax cuts.”

These people actually believe “THE NATION” owns the income and wealth...hahaha

Since you asked, politely, I'll give you a quick answer. It's 3:00 p.m. on Thanksgiving day, and I'm about to shower, change and head out to tonight's turkey feast and celebration.

You talk about the income, as if it's the wealthy who create the income. They don't. The executives and the shareholders at McDonalds, aren't generating the income they receive. The kids making, flipping and selling the burgers, and serving the customers are the ones generating the income. The shareholders are providing the capital to build the store, and the executives are managing the advertizing and the corporate strategies, but the money coming in the front door of the business comes fromo the sales of hamburgers and french frieds and soft drinks, and that's the work done by the low wage workers.

The franchise agreement dictates the distribution of that money. Posters here have said franchise fees are only 4%, so head office isn't getting that much. Law clerks, unlike legal secretaries, don't work for one lawyer. We work for Departments, and we work with all of the lawyers in those department, and we're more specialized. One of "my lawyers" was a franchise lawyer, so I've worked on the McDonald's franchise agreement, and my comment was "No wonder the store owners make no money".

Franchise fee - 4% of gross sales. Not that much really, but we're just getting started. Advertizing fee - 4%. There is also a printing fee - menus, placemats, napkins, burger wrappers, anything with the Logo. I don't remember the rest of the percentages because it was 20 years ago, and there was more. In, in all, more than 10% of gross sales was going to head office in fees and costs. All of these fees and costs being paid from the sales of the burgers and fries being produced by minimum wage workers.

The store owner is also required to purchase all inventory and food from Corporate. They can't shop around for the best deals from local suppliers. And if corporate decides your store needs to be reburished, they will order you to redecorate. All furniture and fixtures in this redecoration must be purchased through corporate to maintain the signature McDonald's look. Again everything is paid paid for from the sale of the burgers and fries.

Bear in mind that net profits - after expenses, before taxes, ranges between 5 and 15%, in the restaurant business. Even with a 15% profit margin, if you have to send 10% of your gross sales to head office, there's not much left over for the store owner. And they also sell you all of your food and supplies to operate. Very little of money coming into your store stays in your pockets or your community. Communities benefit when workers are well paid, and have disposable income to spend in the stores. Or the restaurant patronizes local suppliers for food, supplies or services. Corporate doesn't allow any of that.

McDonald's offers store owners a "turn key operation". They build the store, hand them a check, and open tomorrow. Every week a truck pulls up from head office to with every you need for your store. No sourcing, purchasing or thought goes into it. It's ideal for someone who goes in knowing nothing about the restaurant business, but they own your ass.

But all of the money earned by McDonald's corporation, comes from the sale of burgers paid by minimum wage workers. If corporate stopped bleeding the stores white, and stopped taking all of the money they can out of the stores, both the staff and the store owners would get a better shake.

Of course the President of McDonalds wouldn't be making more than $20 million per year, and the shareholders wouldn't be getting record dividends. You have to feel for the shareholder class - they get 50% of the income, even though fewer than 40% of them actually work or have jobs. Sitting on their asses, collecting dividend checks, living off the income generated by the kids.

80% of the people in the bottom 20% work full time - and they have to get government subsidies to keep body and soul together. Republicans call these workers "takers". But 60% of the wealthy, sit on their asses, living off their income generated by these people, and you say they're entitled to everything they get, because they create jobs.

Demand creates jobs. If you cease to have product to sell because you have no workers, you'll have to go out business in a heart beat. If the American workers are creating all of this wealth for people sitting on their asses at home, shouldn't they get a fairer share of that money?

Shouldn't the kids who are making all of these people so very rich be paid at least enough money to keep a roof over their heads?

Palaver
The people who create the wealth are not the burger flippers but rather who bought the land , built the building, obtained the franchise, and bankrolled the doors being able to open.
You are another emotetard

That crazy old stoner bitch actually believes that Bill Gates, his proprietary technology and innovations isn’t what built Microsoft...she believes that Gustavo, the dude cleaning the shitters did...hahaha
Poor Dragonlady

 

[Norman]

Neither.

Wealth is something to be destroyed.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Do today’s Democrats believe that ‘wealth’ is something distributed and not earned or created?

They've believed this since modern "Progressivism" started with Woodrow Wilson.

 

[bripat9643]

We often hear Lefties talk about “wealth distribution”....I don’t even know what that is...Do Dems believe ALL Americans are due some sort of distribution of wealth simply for being in America?

This is the kind of stuff I’ve read....
“In the USA, the top 20% get 80% of the wealth. This is the most lopsided distribution of wealth in the first world. The American middle class get's 11% of the nation's wealth, but pays more than half the taxes? How is that fair.”

“You clowns keep talking about what percentage of taxes the wealthy pay, without ever mentioning what percentage of the nation's income and wealth they receive in the first place. Republicans go to great lengths to obscure the income disparity in the USA and the real effects of their tax cuts.”

These people actually believe “THE NATION” owns the income and wealth...hahaha

Since you asked, politely, I'll give you a quick answer. It's 3:00 p.m. on Thanksgiving day, and I'm about to shower, change and head out to tonight's turkey feast and celebration.

his failures and incompetence The shareholders are providing the capital to build the store, and the executives are managing the advertizing and the corporate strategies, but the money coming in the front door of the business comes fromo the sales of hamburgers and french frieds and soft drinks, and that's the work done by the low wage workers.

The franchise agreement dictates the distribution of that money. Posters here have said franchise fees are only 4%, so head office isn't getting that much. Law clerks, unlike legal secretaries, don't work for one lawyer. We work for Departments, and we work with all of the lawyers in those department, and we're more specialized. One of "my lawyers" was a franchise lawyer, so I've worked on the McDonald's franchise agreement, and my comment was "No wonder the store owners make no money".

Franchise fee - 4% of gross sales. Not that much really, but we're just getting started. Advertizing fee - 4%. There is also a printing fee - menus, placemats, napkins, burger wrappers, anything with the Logo. I don't remember the rest of the percentages because it was 20 years ago, and there was more. In, in all, more than 10% of gross sales was going to head office in fees and costs. All of these fees and costs being paid from the sales of the burgers and fries being produced by minimum wage workers.

The store owner is also required to purchase all inventory and food from Corporate. They can't shop around for the best deals from local suppliers. And if corporate decides your store needs to be reburished, they will order you to redecorate. All furniture and fixtures in this redecoration must be purchased through corporate to maintain the signature McDonald's look. Again everything is paid paid for from the sale of the burgers and fries.

Bear in mind that net profits - after expenses, before taxes, ranges between 5 and 15%, in the restaurant business. Even with a 15% profit margin, if you have to send 10% of your gross sales to head office, there's not much left over for the store owner. And they also sell you all of your food and supplies to operate. Very little of money coming into your store stays in your pockets or your community. Communities benefit when workers are well paid, and have disposable income to spend in the stores. Or the restaurant patronizes local suppliers for food, supplies or services. Corporate doesn't allow any of that.

McDonald's offers store owners a "turn key operation". They build the store, hand them a check, and open tomorrow. Every week a truck pulls up from head office to with every you need for your store. No sourcing, purchasing or thought goes into it. It's ideal for someone who goes in knowing nothing about the restaurant business, but they own your ass.

But all of the money earned by McDonald's corporation, comes from the sale of burgers paid by minimum wage workers. If corporate stopped bleeding the stores white, and stopped taking all of the money they can out of the stores, both the staff and the store owners would get a better shake.

Of course the President of McDonalds wouldn't be making more than $20 million per year, and the shareholders wouldn't be getting record dividends. You have to feel for the shareholder class - they get 50% of the income, even though fewer than 40% of them actually work or have jobs. Sitting on their asses, collecting dividend checks, living off the income generated by the kids.

80% of the people in the bottom 20% work full time - and they have to get government subsidies to keep body and soul together. Republicans call these workers "takers". But 60% of the wealthy, sit on their asses, living off their income generated by these people, and you say they're entitled to everything they get, because they create jobs.

Demand creates jobs. If you cease to have product to sell because you have no workers, you'll have to go out business in a heart beat. If the American workers are creating all of this wealth for people sitting on their asses at home, shouldn't they get a fairer share of that money?

Shouldn't the kids who are making all of these people so very rich be paid at least enough money to keep a roof over their heads?

If McDonald's replaced all the "low wage workers" with machines, then how much of the profit would they be responsible for?

 

[DukeU]

Demand creates jobs. If you cease to have product to sell because you have no workers, you'll have to go out business in a heart beat. If the American workers are creating all of this wealth for people sitting on their asses at home, shouldn't they get a fairer share of that money?

Shouldn't the kids who are making all of these people so very rich be paid at least enough money to keep a roof over their heads?

I've never heard a better explanation on this subject than these two............

 

[Slade3200]

We often hear Lefties talk about “wealth distribution”....I don’t even know what that is...Do Dems believe ALL Americans are due some sort of distribution of wealth simply for being in America?

This is the kind of stuff I’ve read....
“In the USA, the top 20% get 80% of the wealth. This is the most lopsided distribution of wealth in the first world. The American middle class get's 11% of the nation's wealth, but pays more than half the taxes? How is that fair.”

“You clowns keep talking about what percentage of taxes the wealthy pay, without ever mentioning what percentage of the nation's income and wealth they receive in the first place. Republicans go to great lengths to obscure the income disparity in the USA and the real effects of their tax cuts.”

These people actually believe “THE NATION” owns the income and wealth...hahaha

Wow, look at you trying to sound all smart and talk economics with the big boys. I applaud your effort. The thing I think you are missing is the fact that currency is nothing more than paper and metal and digits on a screen. It’s not real, it’s part of the game that we call economics. Within this game you have a society trying to function using these currencies to perform commerce and trade goods and services.

when you think of our economy like a game master and see the big picture of how it all works you will understand the roll that divisions in wealth play. When you see companies like Costco who are able to function on a 10% margin while mom and pop shops need 30%-40% to keep the doors open you see how the wealth of an economy gets vacuumed up to the Top earners and how they gain more power by buying and owning more and more of our businesses and real estate. This isn’t healthy for the long term outlook of our society and will end up in a form or socialism...corporate socialism.

you seem to look at those who complain about wealth inequality as people wanting hand outs but it’s a much larger issue than that. At the very very least our economy should function in a way that a person who puts in a full days work can earn enough to support a decent lifestyle for themselves and their family.

Believe me when I tell you; I’ve forgot more about commerce and economics than you’ll ever know.
Moving on.
That all sounds totally reasonable...BUT in saving the world with your bleeding hearts you DOGOODERS have perpetuated, manifested and fostered a massive underclass of people....you simply have too many people fighting for jobs reserved for children and the brainless...jobs that were never intended for 35 year old Guadalupe with seven silver tooth money trees. You have flooded the once thriving, once prosperous blue collar trades with desperate thirdworlders legal and illegal whom are willing to work for shit and live like the human cockroaches they are....The problem you have was created by you...You can’t change the system to adapt to your ignorance...Ray Charles saw this coming dummy.

I believe you about how much you’ve forgotten, explains a lot. Just wait till robots take a huge chunk of the low wage jobs. I’d like to see how you think the free market is going to handle that one

 

[Dragonlady]

We often hear Lefties talk about “wealth distribution”....I don’t even know what that is...Do Dems believe ALL Americans are due some sort of distribution of wealth simply for being in America?

This is the kind of stuff I’ve read....
“In the USA, the top 20% get 80% of the wealth. This is the most lopsided distribution of wealth in the first world. The American middle class get's 11% of the nation's wealth, but pays more than half the taxes? How is that fair.”

“You clowns keep talking about what percentage of taxes the wealthy pay, without ever mentioning what percentage of the nation's income and wealth they receive in the first place. Republicans go to great lengths to obscure the income disparity in the USA and the real effects of their tax cuts.”

These people actually believe “THE NATION” owns the income and wealth...hahaha

Since you asked, politely, I'll give you a quick answer. It's 3:00 p.m. on Thanksgiving day, and I'm about to shower, change and head out to tonight's turkey feast and celebration.

You talk about the income, as if it's the wealthy who create the income. They don't. The executives and the shareholders at McDonalds, aren't generating the income they receive. The kids making, flipping and selling the burgers, and serving the customers are the ones generating the income. The shareholders are providing the capital to build the store, and the executives are managing the advertizing and the corporate strategies, but the money coming in the front door of the business comes fromo the sales of hamburgers and french frieds and soft drinks, and that's the work done by the low wage workers.

The franchise agreement dictates the distribution of that money. Posters here have said franchise fees are only 4%, so head office isn't getting that much. Law clerks, unlike legal secretaries, don't work for one lawyer. We work for Departments, and we work with all of the lawyers in those department, and we're more specialized. One of "my lawyers" was a franchise lawyer, so I've worked on the McDonald's franchise agreement, and my comment was "No wonder the store owners make no money".

Franchise fee - 4% of gross sales. Not that much really, but we're just getting started. Advertizing fee - 4%. There is also a printing fee - menus, placemats, napkins, burger wrappers, anything with the Logo. I don't remember the rest of the percentages because it was 20 years ago, and there was more. In, in all, more than 10% of gross sales was going to head office in fees and costs. All of these fees and costs being paid from the sales of the burgers and fries being produced by minimum wage workers.

The store owner is also required to purchase all inventory and food from Corporate. They can't shop around for the best deals from local suppliers. And if corporate decides your store needs to be reburished, they will order you to redecorate. All furniture and fixtures in this redecoration must be purchased through corporate to maintain the signature McDonald's look. Again everything is paid paid for from the sale of the burgers and fries.

Bear in mind that net profits - after expenses, before taxes, ranges between 5 and 15%, in the restaurant business. Even with a 15% profit margin, if you have to send 10% of your gross sales to head office, there's not much left over for the store owner. And they also sell you all of your food and supplies to operate. Very little of money coming into your store stays in your pockets or your community. Communities benefit when workers are well paid, and have disposable income to spend in the stores. Or the restaurant patronizes local suppliers for food, supplies or services. Corporate doesn't allow any of that.

McDonald's offers store owners a "turn key operation". They build the store, hand them a check, and open tomorrow. Every week a truck pulls up from head office to with every you need for your store. No sourcing, purchasing or thought goes into it. It's ideal for someone who goes in knowing nothing about the restaurant business, but they own your ass.

But all of the money earned by McDonald's corporation, comes from the sale of burgers paid by minimum wage workers. If corporate stopped bleeding the stores white, and stopped taking all of the money they can out of the stores, both the staff and the store owners would get a better shake.

Of course the President of McDonalds wouldn't be making more than $20 million per year, and the shareholders wouldn't be getting record dividends. You have to feel for the shareholder class - they get 50% of the income, even though fewer than 40% of them actually work or have jobs. Sitting on their asses, collecting dividend checks, living off the income generated by the kids.

80% of the people in the bottom 20% work full time - and they have to get government subsidies to keep body and soul together. Republicans call these workers "takers". But 60% of the wealthy, sit on their asses, living off their income generated by these people, and you say they're entitled to everything they get, because they create jobs.

Demand creates jobs. If you cease to have product to sell because you have no workers, you'll have to go out business in a heart beat. If the American workers are creating all of this wealth for people sitting on their asses at home, shouldn't they get a fairer share of that money?

Shouldn't the kids who are making all of these people so very rich be paid at least enough money to keep a roof over their heads?

I don’t even know how to respond to such hilarity...it’s like I’m exchanging dialogue with some foreigner from a country that believes people should be paid to stay home and smoke weed while others go to work.
Mac1958 is she right, could America have been built on the principle she describes?

No, that's what happening now. The rich stay home and smoke weed and live off the money generated by the labour of the low wage workers.

62% of the top 20% of the wealthy in the USA do not work. 80% of the bottom 20% work, and those who don;t work, include the elderly, retired, and disabled workers, so the percentage of those who are able to work and choose not to, is really quite low.

And as it stands now, the 62% of the wealthy who have no jobs are the lazy weed smokers, are being supported by the working poor are paying for their fat asses to sit on their sofas and look down on them. Even worse, these lazy sons of bitches are so greedy, they want to middle class to make up for the shortfall between what they deign to toss their workers, and what the workers need for even a subsistence level of living.

Our resident day trader, a parasitic occupation if ever there was one, makes no product, and does not work that contributes to GDP, or the betterment of the country. She just sits there gambling on the work of others, and taking capital out of the system, and yet she consistently looks down on those who actually work throughout their lives "earning" their wages.

I did a 6 month contract with the province at $600 a day a few years back. I felt real guilt about it because there was a big scandal about "untendered government contract" not being in the public's best interest, open to abuse, etc., and I are one. I am a walking ethical violation.

Demand creates jobs. If you cease to have product to sell because you have no workers, you'll have to go out business in a heart beat. If the American workers are creating all of this wealth for people sitting on their asses at home, shouldn't they get a fairer share of that money?

Shouldn't the kids who are making all of these people so very rich be paid at least enough money to keep a roof over their heads?

I've never heard a better explanation on this subject than these two............

There is nothing communisitic about what I am proposing. These are Keynesian economics - the same princicples behind Roosevelt's New Deal - which gave the USA the greatest growth in the middle class the world has ever seen.

These aren't "communist" economic ideas, so I'm really not interested in your free market bullshit. These are actually capitalist ideas the increase productivity. Every time the minimum wage has been increased in the past 40 years, Republicans predict mass unemployment and dire consequences, and the opposite of what they've predicted has occurred.

When Bill Clinton increased the minimum wage, unemployment went down, not up, because low wage workers could afford more goods and services and demand rose. Because hourly workers have had their wages flattened for the past 40 years, and have lost buying power, there is a lot of pent up demand in the economy, waiting for wages to increase.

There's also a lot of economic and tax factors. Republicans are always proposing increasing the earned income credits for poor workers, instead of the minimum wage. So increases in household income are coming from the middle class and not the employers. Why should your tax dollars be going to Walmart workers because so the Walton Family can get $25 million dollars in profit instead of just $16 million.

The more money in the pockets of workers, the more goods and services they can buy with them, raising demand for still more goods and services. That's what made the Baby Boomers the richest generation on earth. Our children aren't doing as well as we did. It is estimated that our children will be the first generation to grow up and have less money, wealthy, or opportunities than their parents.

Today's American college students are leaving school with, on average, $30,000 in debt. Lower income kids have higher debt. My well heeled friends professional friends are paying their kids' ways through school, so the kids aren't hobbled by debt, but when it costs $60,000 a year X 4 years, to go non-Ivy league school, to earn a degree to get a job that pays $50,000 a year, the debt will hobble you for years.

The workers have to get a fairer cut of the pie. Before Ronald Reagan and his "voodoo economics" - tax cuts will pay for themselves, wealth will trickle down and everyone will magically get rich, if we just cut taxes, American workers were't broke, sick and unemployed.

Republicanism is a gross failure.

 

[DukeU]

so I'm really not interested in your free market bullshit

Worked for you, did it not?

 

[Dragonlady]

so I'm really not interested in your free market bullshit

Worked for you, did it not?

Not at all. I live in a democratic socialist "shithole" with cradle to the grave social programs. I have never received a medical bill in my life - universal government funded heathcare. High quality "free" public and high schools ranked among the top 5 in the world. Low cost university education. Unemployment insurance, child tax benefits, and all of the things you clowns call a "disincentive to work". Studies across socialist democratic countries show that in fact, the opposite is true. These things give us the freedom to acquire the skills and have the resources to achieve our potential and live our best lives.

Our government will give grants for ramps, plumbing renovations, and other changes to help the disabled stay in their homes - cheaper than putting them in care. Our BEST nursing homes, the ones with the least disease and loss of life, are the publically owned homes. The private, for profit nursing homes are the ones with the deadly outbreaks.

The county I live in has a "Senior Support" agency which includes "meals on wheels", and a transportation service for seniors with no cars. Three times a week they do runs into Hamilton taking dialysis patients in for treatment. They have a roster of "personal care workers" to assist seniors in their homes, at reasonable rates, and they run three classes of housing for seniors - geared to rental income; assisted living; long term care.

Families with young children with income below $35,000 can get up a child tax benefit of up to $5000 per year per child. We have a two week paid vacation every year built into our labour code, 1 year paid "parental leave" program funded by Employment Insurance; 9 months of employment insurance if you lose your job through no fault of your own (but not if you're terminated for cause).

I can go on and on, about what our government does for all of our citizens that the richest nation in the world says it "can't afford" to do. Anyone with income of less than $35,000 per year has numerous income supports, tax rebates, and the like available to them. Of course, we aren't spending 4% of our GDP to maintain the largest standing army in the world, and in Canada, and we only have 40% of our wealthy going to the top, instead of 80%.

I couldn't afford to maintain my big city lifestyle when I retired. No nights at the ballet, 4 star restaurants, or membership at the squash club, and I gave up my seat in the 7th row above the Blue Jays dugout at the Roger's centre, but I'm living in a little resort/retirement community, in a lovely rent-controlled, 2 bedroom apartment, in a 4 suite brownstone, with ensuite laundry. I can still afford to travel, and go to the occasional ball game, when they come back to Toronto.

There's a reason why people from Canada aren't flooding into the United States across the longest undefended border. We're consistently rated as the "best country in the world to live in", or close to the top. The USA is barely in the top 10.

 

[WEATHER53]

We often hear Lefties talk about “wealth distribution”....I don’t even know what that is...Do Dems believe ALL Americans are due some sort of distribution of wealth simply for being in America?

This is the kind of stuff I’ve read....
“In the USA, the top 20% get 80% of the wealth. This is the most lopsided distribution of wealth in the first world. The American middle class get's 11% of the nation's wealth, but pays more than half the taxes? How is that fair.”

“You clowns keep talking about what percentage of taxes the wealthy pay, without ever mentioning what percentage of the nation's income and wealth they receive in the first place. Republicans go to great lengths to obscure the income disparity in the USA and the real effects of their tax cuts.”

These people actually believe “THE NATION” owns the income and wealth...hahaha

Since you asked, politely, I'll give you a quick answer. It's 3:00 p.m. on Thanksgiving day, and I'm about to shower, change and head out to tonight's turkey feast and celebration.

You talk about the income, as if it's the wealthy who create the income. They don't. The executives and the shareholders at McDonalds, aren't generating the income they receive. The kids making, flipping and selling the burgers, and serving the customers are the ones generating the income. The shareholders are providing the capital to build the store, and the executives are managing the advertizing and the corporate strategies, but the money coming in the front door of the business comes fromo the sales of hamburgers and french frieds and soft drinks, and that's the work done by the low wage workers.

The franchise agreement dictates the distribution of that money. Posters here have said franchise fees are only 4%, so head office isn't getting that much. Law clerks, unlike legal secretaries, don't work for one lawyer. We work for Departments, and we work with all of the lawyers in those department, and we're more specialized. One of "my lawyers" was a franchise lawyer, so I've worked on the McDonald's franchise agreement, and my comment was "No wonder the store owners make no money".

Franchise fee - 4% of gross sales. Not that much really, but we're just getting started. Advertizing fee - 4%. There is also a printing fee - menus, placemats, napkins, burger wrappers, anything with the Logo. I don't remember the rest of the percentages because it was 20 years ago, and there was more. In, in all, more than 10% of gross sales was going to head office in fees and costs. All of these fees and costs being paid from the sales of the burgers and fries being produced by minimum wage workers.

The store owner is also required to purchase all inventory and food from Corporate. They can't shop around for the best deals from local suppliers. And if corporate decides your store needs to be reburished, they will order you to redecorate. All furniture and fixtures in this redecoration must be purchased through corporate to maintain the signature McDonald's look. Again everything is paid paid for from the sale of the burgers and fries.

Bear in mind that net profits - after expenses, before taxes, ranges between 5 and 15%, in the restaurant business. Even with a 15% profit margin, if you have to send 10% of your gross sales to head office, there's not much left over for the store owner. And they also sell you all of your food and supplies to operate. Very little of money coming into your store stays in your pockets or your community. Communities benefit when workers are well paid, and have disposable income to spend in the stores. Or the restaurant patronizes local suppliers for food, supplies or services. Corporate doesn't allow any of that.

McDonald's offers store owners a "turn key operation". They build the store, hand them a check, and open tomorrow. Every week a truck pulls up from head office to with every you need for your store. No sourcing, purchasing or thought goes into it. It's ideal for someone who goes in knowing nothing about the restaurant business, but they own your ass.

But all of the money earned by McDonald's corporation, comes from the sale of burgers paid by minimum wage workers. If corporate stopped bleeding the stores white, and stopped taking all of the money they can out of the stores, both the staff and the store owners would get a better shake.

Of course the President of McDonalds wouldn't be making more than $20 million per year, and the shareholders wouldn't be getting record dividends. You have to feel for the shareholder class - they get 50% of the income, even though fewer than 40% of them actually work or have jobs. Sitting on their asses, collecting dividend checks, living off the income generated by the kids.

80% of the people in the bottom 20% work full time - and they have to get government subsidies to keep body and soul together. Republicans call these workers "takers". But 60% of the wealthy, sit on their asses, living off their income generated by these people, and you say they're entitled to everything they get, because they create jobs.

Demand creates jobs. If you cease to have product to sell because you have no workers, you'll have to go out business in a heart beat. If the American workers are creating all of this wealth for people sitting on their asses at home, shouldn't they get a fairer share of that money?

Shouldn't the kids who are making all of these people so very rich be paid at least enough money to keep a roof over their heads?

I don’t even know how to respond to such hilarity...it’s like I’m exchanging dialogue with some foreigner from a country that believes people should be paid to stay home and smoke weed while others go to work.
Mac1958 is she right, could America have been built on the principle she describes?

No, that's what happening now. The rich stay home and smoke weed and live off the money generated by the labour of the low wage workers.

62% of the top 20% of the wealthy in the USA do not work. 80% of the bottom 20% work, and those who don;t work, include the elderly, retired, and disabled workers, so the percentage of those who are able to work and choose not to, is really quite low.

And as it stands now, the 62% of the wealthy who have no jobs are the lazy weed smokers, are being supported by the working poor are paying for their fat asses to sit on their sofas and look down on them. Even worse, these lazy sons of bitches are so greedy, they want to middle class to make up for the shortfall between what they deign to toss their workers, and what the workers need for even a subsistence level of living.

Our resident day trader, a parasitic occupation if ever there was one, makes no product, and does not work that contributes to GDP, or the betterment of the country. She just sits there gambling on the work of others, and taking capital out of the system, and yet she consistently looks down on those who actually work throughout their lives "earning" their wages.

I did a 6 month contract with the province at $600 a day a few years back. I felt real guilt about it because there was a big scandal about "untendered government contract" not being in the public's best interest, open to abuse, etc., and I are one. I am a walking ethical violation.

Demand creates jobs. If you cease to have product to sell because you have no workers, you'll have to go out business in a heart beat. If the American workers are creating all of this wealth for people sitting on their asses at home, shouldn't they get a fairer share of that money?

Shouldn't the kids who are making all of these people so very rich be paid at least enough money to keep a roof over their heads?

I've never heard a better explanation on this subject than these two............

There is nothing communisitic about what I am proposing. These are Keynesian economics - the same princicples behind Roosevelt's New Deal - which gave the USA the greatest growth in the middle class the world has ever seen.

These aren't "communist" economic ideas, so I'm really not interested in your free market bullshit. These are actually capitalist ideas the increase productivity. Every time the minimum wage has been increased in the past 40 years, Republicans predict mass unemployment and dire consequences, and the opposite of what they've predicted has occurred.

When Bill Clinton increased the minimum wage, unemployment went down, not up, because low wage workers could afford more goods and services and demand rose. Because hourly workers have had their wages flattened for the past 40 years, and have lost buying power, there is a lot of pent up demand in the economy, waiting for wages to increase.

There's also a lot of economic and tax factors. Republicans are always proposing increasing the earned income credits for poor workers, instead of the minimum wage. So increases in household income are coming from the middle class and not the employers. Why should your tax dollars be going to Walmart workers because so the Walton Family can get $25 million dollars in profit instead of just $16 million.

The more money in the pockets of workers, the more goods and services they can buy with them, raising demand for still more goods and services. That's what made the Baby Boomers the richest generation on earth. Our children aren't doing as well as we did. It is estimated that our children will be the first generation to grow up and have less money, wealthy, or opportunities than their parents.

Today's American college students are leaving school with, on average, $30,000 in debt. Lower income kids have higher debt. My well heeled friends professional friends are paying their kids' ways through school, so the kids aren't hobbled by debt, but when it costs $60,000 a year X 4 years, to go non-Ivy league school, to earn a degree to get a job that pays $50,000 a year, the debt will hobble you for years.

The workers have to get a fairer cut of the pie. Before Ronald Reagan and his "voodoo economics" - tax cuts will pay for themselves, wealth will trickle down and everyone will magically get rich, if we just cut taxes, American workers were't broke, sick and unemployed.

Republicanism is a gross failure.

If you can’t make your point in 6-8 sentences then don’t start. Ramblethons appeal to you and you alone

 

[DukeU]

I live in a democratic socialist "shithole" with cradle to the grave social programs.

Where does the money come from to pay for all of those social programs? You think your gov't. digs it up out of the ground? LOL

 

[BrokeLoser]

If the distribution of wealth was fair - so that working people and the young had financial security, the abortion rate would drop like a rock.

They still believe wealth is “distributed“ and not earned.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I’m hoping that America’s Greatest Money Man Mac1958 can help us out here.
Maybe Dragonlady will bless us with her opinion?

Just make something up as usual. I'll watch.

Irony is over in the corner dookin' in its pants.

 

[Mac1958]

I’m hoping that America’s Greatest Money Man Mac1958 can help us out here.
Maybe Dragonlady will bless us with her opinion?

Just make something up as usual. I'll watch.

Irony is over in the corner dookin' in its pants.

 

[Richard-H]

If the distribution of wealth was fair - so that working people and the young had financial security, the abortion rate would drop like a rock.

They still believe wealth is “distributed“ and not earned.

There is no correlation between how it is distributed and the real economic contributions made.

People grab all the money they can get, so wealth distribution is determined by how much a person can get, not by what they earn.

 

[Slade3200]

If the distribution of wealth was fair - so that working people and the young had financial security, the abortion rate would drop like a rock.

They still believe wealth is “distributed“ and not earned.

It’s both distributed and earned. Lightbulb moment!