Zone1 Do these verses go together?

[Woodznutz]

How do we know Satan entered Judah? We know because scripture says so, specifically. The Bible doesn't say that Peter was possessed. Jesus never told Satan to leave Peter's body. And we aren't told that Satan left Peter's body and fled behind Jesus. It sounds more like Jesus was comparing Peter to Satan because of what Peter said. And Jesus went on to tell Peter, that Peter's mind wasn't on God's interest. That doesn't mean that Peter's mind was possessed. Instead, Jesus said that Peter was thinking like a man. What Jesus said to Peter was an insult, comparing Peter to Satan. Judah's case was completely different.

Matthew 6:21-23 From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day. Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You.” But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.”

God wasn't talking to Satan because Satan wouldn't be setting his mind on God's interest to begin with. That was Peter, the man, not wanting to accept the bad news Christ had just shared with the disciples, and was rebuked by Jesus for it.

We know Eve was influenced by Satan, but it doesn't say she was possessed. We'll have to ask her to clarify for us when we get up there...

If Peter was such an "offense" (KJV) to Jesus why did he keep him around?

 

[Woodznutz]

Going by the definition, etymology of Satan in that era, Jesus was telling Peter not to test him, nor to tempt him from the way he must go.

Jesus used the word offence, also saying that offences would happen, and woe to the man by whom offences come. What woe befell Peter because of this particular event?

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus used the word offence, also saying that offences would happen, and woe to the man by whom offences come. What woe befell Peter because of this particular event?

Seriously?! What happens when one takes offense at someone or what they are doing? They distance themselves and deny they are any part of it. That is human nature, not demons or devils.

 

[Woodznutz]

Seriously?! What happens when one takes offense at someone or what they are doing? They distance themselves and deny they are any part of it. That is human nature, not demons or devils.

Did Jesus distance himself from Peter?

 

[Meriweather]

Did Jesus distance himself from Peter?

I don't know whether I am feeling astonishment or contempt at this question. Perhaps both.

 

[Woodznutz]

I don't know whether I am feeling astonishment or contempt at this question. Perhaps both.

Actually, Peter took offence when Jesus was arrested and distanced himself from him, three times.

 

[Foxfyre]

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; ...

Matthew 10:35-36
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Are unbelievers today the "seed" of the Devil?

My interpretations:
The Genesis 3:15 is prophecy that the serpent and his offspring would never again be trusted. And it is often given Messianic interpretation that the serpent--Satan--would strike the heel of the Messiah but the Messiah would crush the serpents head.

Matthew 10:35-36 in my opinion is unrelated. I think Jesus was saying that those who believed and followed Him, who became disciples, would have to endure contempt and hate from non believers, even those of their own families. I think he was drawing from Micah 7:
". . .For a son dishonors his father,
a daughter rises up against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
a man’s enemies are the members of his own household. . ."

 

[Meriweather]

Actually, Peter took offence when Jesus was arrested and distanced himself from him, three times.

You have to be joking. No one but you has ever figured this out?

 

[Woodznutz]

The Genesis 3:15 is prophecy that the serpent and his offspring would never again be trusted. And it is often given Messianic interpretation that the serpent--Satan--would strike the heel of the Messiah but the Messiah would crush the serpents head.

The order of those events is revealing. Christ first crushes the head, the authority of Satan over the nations, that he has enjoyed since the beginning. Then Satan responds by causing the temporary death of Christ.

Matthew 10:35-36 in my opinion is unrelated. I think Jesus was saying that those who believed and followed Him, who became disciples, would have to endure contempt and hate from non believers, even those of their own families. I think he was drawing from Micah 7:
". . .For a son dishonors his father,
a daughter rises up against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
a man’s enemies are the members of his own household. . ."

Interesting that it is the young 'rising up' against the elders. It is notable even today that when one is called by God to repentance family and friends will often attack and hold them in derision. It seems that the good of the person brings out the evil in others, evil that was previously hidden. I have experienced this in my own life with family and friends.

 

[Woodznutz]

You have to be joking. No one but you has ever figured this out?

It's just part of the discussion that supports my assertions. Peter was susceptible to demonic influence. Jesus told Satan to 'get behind me', not Peter.

 

[Foxfyre]

It's just part of the discussion that supports my assertions. Peter was susceptible to demonic influence.

As we all are. As was Jesus himself who was tempted according to scripture but he resisted. I don't know if being weak and fearful for one's life at the expense of another qualifies as demonic influence though. I'll have to think about that. The childhood song "Jesus Loves Me" pretty much nails our human nature and fallibilities I think: ". . .I am weak but He is strong!" Jesus knew that Peter would be weak when the time came and would deny Jesus in order to save himself. Jesus even pointed that out to Peter.

My interpretation is that it was an object lesson to Peter who would be instrumental in building Jesus' Church of believers perhaps to help Peter not be puffed up with pride but understand that we all are imperfect and at times will have feet of clay.

 

[Woodznutz]

As we all are. As was Jesus himself who was tempted according to scripture but he resisted. I don't know if being weak and fearful for one's life at the expense of another qualifies as demonic influence though. I'll have to think about that. The childhood song "Jesus Loves Me" pretty much nails our human nature and fallibilities I think: ". . .I am weak but He is strong!" Jesus knew that Peter would be weak when the time came and would deny Jesus in order to save himself. Jesus even pointed that out to Peter.

My interpretation is that it was an object lesson to Peter who would be instrumental in building Jesus' Church of believers perhaps to help Peter not be puffed up with pride but understand that we all are imperfect and at times will have feet of clay.

I believe that most of humanity is under the influence of Satan and the demons, although most don't realize it.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Jesus was plainly addressing Satan. Not the first time Peter would be influenced by Satan.

So you think Jesus rebuked Satan for not keeping his eye on God's interests and accused Satan for thinking like a man?

 

[hobelim]

Are unbelievers today the "seed" of the Devil?

I would say that 'believers' in the absurd that Jesus was God in the flesh who died for your sins so you don't have to pay the price, death, and can sin with impunity for life are the "demon" seed.

 

[hobelim]

I believe that most of humanity is under the influence of Satan and the demons,

No doubt.

Some of those evil bastards actually convinced otherwise intelligent people that the only way they will receive eternal life, after they die, is by doing exactly what God promises results in death now, but the good news is that for their entire life they get to live like schnooks, easy prey, easily deceived and fleeced by every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird in the wilderness of sin.

That right there is some good old fashioned good time religion! Going through life in a stupor.

although most don't realize it.

They don't realize it because they are under the power of death consequent to defying Gods law.
To proudly proclaim that Jesus is your God and savior is to openly confess that you're an idolator.

Stunad!

"There are dead people everywhere. Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know that they are dead."

 

[ding]

Lost sheep of the house of Israel is pretty specific. That doesn't mean that the Jews in particular were 'evil', he just wasn't sent to them to build his church. That said Jesus saw things in terms of good and evil i.e. "You, being evil, give good things to your own..." Most people do evil things out of ignorance and weakness, not malice. Drunk drivers don't intentionally to kill people.

So you don't think atheists qualify as being lost?

 

[ding]

I would say that 'believers' in the absurd that Jesus was God in the flesh who died for your sins so you don't have to pay the price, death, and can sin with impunity for life are the "demon" seed.

Do Jews believe in Hell? No. Not really. So how is that any different? If the Jews don't believe in Hell they don't pay for their sins either.

Drop mic.

 

[ding]

No doubt.

Some of those evil bastards actually convinced otherwise intelligent people that the only way that they will receive eternal life, after they die, is by doing exactly what God promises results in death.

They don't realize it because they are under the power of death consequent to defying Gods law.

"There are dead people everywhere. Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know that they are dead."

Do you know what the Jewish belief is about Satan? He works for God. Tempting people. Of course since there's no hell according to them, there are no consequences.

#winning

 

[hobelim]

Do Jews believe in Hell? No. Not really.

You don't know what you are talking about. Again. Read the maledictions promised by Moses for defying the instruction of the Law. Jewish people may not believe in an a hell like Christians do, BECAUSE ITS IRRATIONAL, but that long list of maledictions sure sounds like a living hell to me.

Deuteronomy 28:15-68

 

[Woodznutz]

So you don't think atheists qualify as being lost?

Atheists are spiritually lost, Israel wasn't, they were just separated (wandering) from their shepherd for a time. When Christ appeared to them, they knew exactly who he was and flocked to him as sheep to their shepherd. When atheists see Christ approaching, they run the other way.