Do liberals even like this country?

[danielpalos]

Naw, I call it humane. But if you think that a poor girl from the ghetto has the same opportunities you and I had, you are deluding yourself.

So please explain: what opportunities didn't she have???

The best one I can think of is ,,born in a ghetto to parents who to put it politely have no right to have any children

Everybody has a right to have children as long as it's not the taxpayer supporting them. If you can afford to support six children, by all means, have six children. If you want six children and want me to support them, that is something you don't have a right to.

And if you have 6 kids & are supporting them without help and then get a disease and can no longer work, they should take their kids to the Children Shelter & get them adopted out. Maybe they lose their jobs? Maybe they lose their spouse?

I love it. Your ilk wants to reduce access to birth control for poor people & then ***** when they have children. Proof of how ******* stupid you people are.

Oh yeah, I'm sure all those food stamp users with four or five kids that I see all the time at the grocery store were supporting them just fine with their six figure a year job until they got a disease. Talk about stupid fucken people........

So who reduced birth control to poor people? How did they do that, send a person to every store where birth control was sold and stop the people who looked poor from going in?

dude; do y'all ever actually read your own propaganda and rhetoric?

Only the right wing is cognitively dissonant enough to complain about Both, the cost of an Ounce of Prevention and the cost of a Pound of Cure.

 

[danielpalos]

During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

Well, dickweed, when other places rate significantly higher in the health systems, education systems, incarceration rate., & lower gun death rates, I think they should be looked at.

To you gun toting Trumpettes we should ignore the fact.

The US ranks anywhere from 7th to 20th in education.

In a London based study on healthcare, the US fails to be in the top 15

In incarceration rate listing where the lower the better, we rank 220 out of 221.

And you want to brag about that?

You call those who tell these facts unAmerican?

The fact is other places do some things better than we do. Having the good sense to see it & learn is not anti-American. It take more than toting your gun to be an American.

Yep, and thanks for proving my point: all these other places are so much better than the US. So the key is to turn the US into one of those other places.

They is to look at how they do it & see how we can utilize their ideas to improve our own systems.I guess you don't give a shit how poorly we rank in many of these things.

Not only do I not want to do things like socialist states, I could care less how they rank us either.

Dear, socialism on a national basis is all the right wing really knows.

 

[danielpalos]

it's all about taking of oneself.who wakes up in the morning and worries about the nation?

it is funner when we can be all talk and no action, simply Because, we were not elected to those positions.

 

[eddiew37]

So please explain: what opportunities didn't she have???

The best one I can think of is ,,born in a ghetto to parents who to put it politely have no right to have any children

Everybody has a right to have children as long as it's not the taxpayer supporting them. If you can afford to support six children, by all means, have six children. If you want six children and want me to support them, that is something you don't have a right to.

And if you have 6 kids & are supporting them without help and then get a disease and can no longer work, they should take their kids to the Children Shelter & get them adopted out. Maybe they lose their jobs? Maybe they lose their spouse?

I love it. Your ilk wants to reduce access to birth control for poor people & then ***** when they have children. Proof of how ******* stupid you people are.

Oh yeah, I'm sure all those food stamp users with four or five kids that I see all the time at the grocery store were supporting them just fine with their six figure a year job until they got a disease. Talk about stupid fucken people........

So who reduced birth control to poor people? How did they do that, send a person to every store where birth control was sold and stop the people who looked poor from going in?

dude; do y'all ever actually read your own propaganda and rhetoric?

Only the right wing is cognitively dissonant enough to complain about Both, the cost of an Ounce of Prevention and the cost of a Pound of Cure.

one problem cons have is they only talk and listen to other cons,,,,anything they don't care for is fake news as their fake dummy president is so fond of saying

 

[danielpalos]

"Socialism only works in 2 places: Heaven where they don't need it & hell where they already have it" --President Reagan

Abolish our socialized Standing Army or enact wartime tax rates to keep a Standing Army, right wingers.

 

[danielpalos]

I aint the one that wants to to see our infrastructure crumble into dust, watch the poor die in the street and kill of education. Anyone that aims to do this dont' like America very much.

So please, wake the **** up.

The right wing prefers generation long wars on abstractions such as crime, drugs, and terror; to production runs that could last as long, for infrastructure.

 

[danielpalos]

It seems to me they want us to change this country into one of the others, it's not just a suggestion.

The problem is there is only one USA, but there are plenty of liberal, socialist and Communist countries to go to. Once they destroy the USA, there is no other USA we can run to. So why try to change this one and unique place into something that's already out there?

Let's see. As we stand today. Who is destroying this country? Liberals is always been the same and it has not change after 2016. Did liberals change anything? Who is making all these nonsense tweets?
Because of Trump and people like you--- This country is divided far more than we ever had. The world no longer see us as the leader but a laughing stock because of stupidity and ignorance. Historically very low ratings here and overseas.

This is NOT Making America Great.

1. The real division comes from the left, not the right; much of that though the DumBama years.

2. What did the liberals change since 2016? Nothing. People voted to stop them.

3. Good to hear you know what the world thinks of the US. It must be a dirty little secret that only Democrats share because that's the new talking point of the left. But of course, it's Trumps tweets that divide the country.

1. Trump is dividing this country big time Ray you are just in big denial like the rest of his wrong doing.
DumBama? Obama is far smarter, decent and presidential than Trump. Trump cannot even come close.
Look who is looking so stupid, ignorant, hypocrite, lying, bastard president right now? Trump. Everyday as we move on more and more that he is proving himself unpresidential. This administration is in chaos and discombobulated.
His previous speech------ *Im the president they are not*. Whom is he talking too? The ISIS or Americans?
*Let Obamacare fail by itself* ---- That will make 32 millions Americans uninsured.
WHO in the right mind will say something like that? This country is going the wrong way dude.
2. So what did Trump stop Ray?
3. It's not a secret of the liberals. Truth hurts you Ray?

First off all politicians lie. Name me one that never has. It's not the lying that's the problem, it's what they lie about that matters.

It's the left dividing this country. Trump didn't cause all those protests. Trump didn't cause any riots. Trump didn't stop his adversary from speaking publicly. Trump didn't stop street traffic in anger. Trump didn't attack our police officers or destroy public and private property. All these events and more came from the left.

And how is it Trump's responsibility to make sure Commie Care doesn't fail? No matter what (or if) the Republicans come up with, it won't get one Democrat vote. All Trump is saying is that DumBama created this disaster, so let the disaster work it's own course. You wanted it, you supported it, so you live with it. Don't blame Trump or any Republican for it's failure.

ALL politicians lie BUT Trump lied the most just about everyday. He blurted a lot of unacceptable lies during campaign enough to sink any candidate. He still won because of ignorance.
Of all elected president Tump lied the most and still keep lying. And it's become a norm from people like you.
Trump is a well known all over US and world wide as a pathological lier.

Trump is dividing this country big time because his followers supporting him. Don't blame the left. That includes family against family because of ignorance and stupidity. See the following links to update yourself.

Donald Trump Is Dividing Our Country

Pew: Divide in America deeper than ever before

Young Americans fear Donald Trump will divide the nation: poll - National | Globalnews.ca

Poll: Americans feel more divided than ever

Donald Trump Is Breaking Up Marriages, Families: Latest Poll Shows President Dividing Country Even More

Protests. Volumes speak for itself. They just dont like Trump period.
If you listen to his speech it's more him against the Americans------ This is NOT Making America. It's only 6 months so far all we've seen is chaos and disarray administration.
Any failures and success of this country lay SOLELY in Trump's lap. That is and was always been the rules. You blame everything on Obama why would it change now?

Again I don't know anything about Commie-Care because we don't have communism.
Again I never heard of DumBama.

Mr. Trump implied he had his Own, fine and wonderful, health care plan.

The right wing should be advancing the best elements of two plans; not, nothing but repeal. Why is the right wing being rewarded for simply being, slackers.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Walmart get lower prices because they BRIBE to get lower prices. The only reason it's not called "bribery" is because it's legitimate. It's legitimate because the govt says so. That doesn't make it MORAL.

It also has a LOT to do with the govt.

The issue here is "would Walmart be able to do what they do, if they were working on a level playing field?"

The answer is clearly "no".

That much should be perfectly clear.

Walmart benefits from billions in government subsidies: Study

"The report estimates that Walmart.....collectively profit from nearly $7.8 billion per year in federal subsidies and tax breaks."

Okay, that's $7.8 billion of govt money that's going to this one company.

Okay, so Walmart can pay their employees less than they should be earning. Why? Why do you support the govt giving handouts to people who are actually working?

Walmart pays its employees less, because they're getting govt help, this means they can charge less for their products. Meaning companies who pay their employees the correct wage are going to have to charge higher prices for their products.

All because of what the GOVERNMENT has done.

Subsidies the same, they can charge less and less.

Okay, in 2016 Walmart had an income of around $482 billion. Profit of $121 billion. So, you're looking at a profit of 1/4.

Walmart Income Statement, Annual, 2017, 2016 - Amigobulls

Let's do a little role play here.

There's a grocery store called "Ray's Groceries". It has a yearly revenue of $482,000 and profits of $121,000. It pays its staff the correct wage, it doesn't get any govt subsidies. Let's make up another number. The company pays 25% in Federal and State taxes. That means it paid $120,500 in taxes last year. That also means $24 million is being spent in the city on groceries.

Now, in this city there are 50 grocery stores, and they all earn exactly the same as "Ray's Groceries", they all pay the same tax, they all do the same thing, because it's an easier example than trying to find real stuff out and you wouldn't appreciate it anyway. That means the govts are making $6 million. Local people are making 6 million too. This money will go back into the local economy.

Now, Walmart moves in to the city. Walmart moves in because instead of paying 25% in federal and local taxes, Walmart gets to pay 5% in federal and local taxes (am I being generous?).

So this Walmart store is there. It's products are cheaper. It pays workers less. More people got to shop at the local Walmart store than in the other stores.

So, the amount "Ray's Groceries" earns is halved. They earn $241,000 in the first year Walmart is operating. Walmart takes in $12 million that year. Each of the other Grocery Stores loses money.

The Grocery stores are suddenly paying the governments $3 million a year. Walmart is paying the the governments $602,500. This means the governments have LOST $2.4 million a year, and Walmart has gained $2.4 million a year it's not paying in taxes.

It's also paying workers less. So the governments have to pick up the tab there too.

The Walmart profits are $3 million for what it took from the local stores, and $2.4 million from the govt not making it pay taxes. That's $5.4 million.

But the govts need money. So they charge the local people more in taxes to make up the $2.4 million they're losing. The $3 million they make in profits is NOT going back into the local economy.

This means the next year, instead of the 50 groceries stories making a combined $24 million, they're making $21 million. Walmart is taking 50% of this $21 million.

So, the 50 stories are making $10.5 million a year, that's $210,000 a year for the 50 stories, instead of $241,000 they made the year before. Profits are going down. Each year profits go down as less and less money goes back into the local economy. Suddenly Ray's Groceries former competitor shuts down. The people who shopped there go off to Walmart, who suck more money out of the economy, the govt puts up taxes again. The people who worked for the competitor then go work at Walmart, as they're busier than ever, they need more staff, who earn less, and go collect from the govt every so often.

Then Ray's closes down, and then there are only three left, trying to function in the shadow of Walmart.

Are you telling me this is because Walmart was "better"?

No, Walmart was not operating on a level playing field, it could sell its products CHEAPER because the GOVT gave them a sweet deal. Had it been a level playing field, Walmart would have opened into a competitive market, it might have gained a small share of the market, but as it was it sucked the blood dry.

So you know ALL about Walmart? Well that's not really the point. Walmart might have been able to increase its position in the economy being being efficient in the past, and it might very well be efficient now. But what we're talking about here Ray, isn't whether they're more efficient or not, it's whether the govt is giving them an unfair advantage over other competitors, and is destroying local businesses, so that everyone goes to work at Walmart, and then goes on the govt payroll too.

So you don't even read your own links? It sure seems that way.

According to YOUR article, most of those subsidies were not subsidies at all. They were welfare handouts to the workers which Walmart has nothing to do with. Walmart does not sit in Congress. Walmart does not control the Senate. Walmart is not in the White House. It's POLITICIANS who give people welfare--not Walmart, and in fact, DumBama doubled the food stamp role once he took office--Walmart didn't.

See.......this is why you can't trust left-wing media. They're all a bunch of liars. As for larger companies, they get no more tax write-offs than any other store that sells the same goods. I work for a small trucking company. There are trucking companies twenty times the size of us or more in our area, yet my employer is doing just fine and has been in business over 35 years. He competes fine against them. In fact, since I've been with this company, some of them have even shut down and others have sold out.

Oh, I read the link and I understood what it was. The point still stands and you're still ignorning most of what I say because it's not convenient for you.

A bunch of liars? Yeah right Ray.

It's funny how lots of facts have to be ignore for all this to become a lie. Seriously, you're so partisan it's painful. You'll see only what fits your agenda. This isn't even a debate, because you're not debating here.

Then show me one instance where a law was written to give tax breaks to large businesses that they didn't give to small businesses in the same field.

Also note that it's Republicans that want to have a flat tax system. Democrats want to fight that all the way.

Walmart may have more write-offs than mom and pop shops, but it's not because of additional write-offs that they are provided, it's because as a larger organization, they have more write-offs.

I'm a landlord and I compete against big corporate apartment buildings. I'm doing fine. They are not getting any more deductions than I am. Yes, they have more deductions because they are a larger enterprise, but they are not getting special deductions that I don't get. We all get the same in this business.

I'm really not sure what you're asking that for.

You know, or you should do if you have at least one eye open, that companies like Amazon, Walmart etc are getting massive tax breaks when other companies aren't. Please tell me you know this is true.

Yes, the Republicans want a flat tax. I'm not sure why you've brought this up here. Even with a flat tax, companies like Walmart, Amazon and the rest would be paying "political donations" and then getting special deals different to other companies, only they'd be paying EVEN LESS than they are now.

So what does a flat tax have to do with what we're talking about?

So, you're saying that if Walmart earns $480 billion, and a small grocery store earns $480,000, that as a percentage of this money, Walmart will be equal to the small grocery store?

If you are saying this, can you back this up?

Find Out If Your Tax Rate Is Higher Than Walmart's

"most people pay something near what the government sets as the tax rate for their income."

"The same is not always true of corporations. "

" While the United States has the highest statutory corporate tax among industrialized nations (39.1 percent), corporations have a greater number of ways to bring that tax bill down."

Corporate Tax Explorer

Pepco holdings pays -33%.

Yes, it pays MINUS THIRTY THREE PERCENT.

Are you telling me this is fair?

Pepco holdings earns $480 million in profits in 2012

It paid -$76 million in tax. Why the hell is it paying MINUS tax?

Only one year from 2008-2012 did it pay plus tax, and that was $9 million, compared to $584 million it gained from the tax people.

State tax rate -9%

Are you telling me this is the same as the guy competing with them? Come off it.

People who have businesses are allowed to write off expenses, and they all work the same. Why did I bring up the flat tax? Because your assertion is that taxes are unfair based on the business or size of business.

Does everybody get a tax break offer? No, not if it's not an investment for a city or state. If a small company wants tax breaks to move into a city, and they are only going to hire 25 or so people, it's a loss for the city and they don't need it. A city won't open up a new industrial area or create new streets for a business that isn't going to produce a lot of tax revenue for the city.

As for the standard tax write offs for myself, larger apartment buildings have more write offs than I do. If they repave their parking lot, that could cost them 70K or more. If I repave mine, probably closer to 5K. They hire people to show apartments, take applications, and forward them to the company. They have to hire lawyers to get back rent, evict people, and settle possible lawsuits against them. I don't have any of those expenses. They have in ground swimming pools, some have spas and workout rooms. I don't have any those things. So they have much more to write off than I do, and there is nothing unfair about that.

One thing is what is allowed to happen, that doesn't make it right, or fair, that doesn't mean it benefits the country, it doesn't mean it doesn't give an unfair advantage to the rich.

It just means that it is allowed, it means the rich have paid the politicians who make sure it's legal, the politicians are happy, the rich are happy.

Nope, I still don't get why you brought up flat taxes, what you said doesn't make sense.

Again, as I've written about tax breaks for large companies, it doesn't benefit the country or the local area. It merely takes jobs away from other people, and hands it to those working for less at larger companies.

You seem to be blinded by partisan politics when you think it's the same that a large company, paying less, or no tax, and paying workers less, is the same as if they're working for smaller businesses paying their taxes.....

I don't get it Ray, I don't get why you seem to think an unfair system is good for the country.

Okay, let's look at your situation.

The problem I see is that you seem to be equating this to simply, if I have one, and you have ten, I pay half, you pay 5.

This isn't the case. This isn't what we're talking about here, but you seem to be ignoring the reality. i did a whole theoretical thing about Walmart, and I bet you didn't even read it.

Look.

You have a large business and a small business. They compete together.

If the large company is paying 10% tax, and the small company is paying 25% tax, are they competing? No, the larger company is getting the advantage. If they can then have workers being paid less, then they're paying less and therefore have more profits or lower prices.

It should be the other way around. Smaller businesses are BETTER for the economy. It means the cash is spread around more evenly, rather than in the pocket of one rich person who buys another summer house.

How some companies end up paying -33% tax is beyond me. The govt is paying them to do the work someone else would do, if they could be competitive, and pay their taxes like everyone else.

If someone is paying -33%, that means other people are having to pay a lot more taxes in order to fill in what the govt is paying this company AND what the company isn't paying. -33% is like the govt losing 66% of taxes. It takes from others, if it's taking from others, then they have a competitive advantage, don't they?

This means the GOVERNMENT is GIVING them a competitive advantage, doesn't it?

 

[DGS49]

The Leftists in this country do not hate “America” but they hate the basic government that the Founders created, and they have mounted a decades-long campaign to overturn the principles on which the Government is founded. And the worst part of it is that they subvert the democratic and Constitutional processes in order to push their agenda, largely through the unconstitutional acts of Leftist judges in the Federal court system. This is why they are terrified that RBGinsberg may die or retire. She is the lynchpin of their entire strategy to transform the federal government.


The Constitution describes a central government, created by 13 independent STATES (e.g., nations), in order to perform the functions that could best be done in a consolidated manner. These functions are detailed in Section 8 of Article I of the Constitution, and include things like running the post office, creating an Army and Navy, running a patent office, and so on. EVERYTHING ELSE is reserved to the States and the private sector. A short list of “rights” is created, with an acknowledgement that the list is not comprehensive (see the Ninth Amendment).


Leftists HATE this setup. They do everything they can to subvert it, and to secure more and more power to the central (Federal) government, WITHOUT going through the processes that are REQUIRED to make these dramatic changes. And they fight for the creation of several “rights” that are found nowhere in the Constitution or in any rational interpretation of it. Examples are all over the place, but the main and most obvious current example is the “fight” over healthcare.


The United States government has NO POWER OR AUTHORITY, OR FUNDING to provide healthcare to ANYONE! Because “everything else” (including healthcare) is reserved to the States and the private sector under the Tenth Amendment. And yet the vast majority of Leftists want some form of Socialized Medicine, but THEY DON’T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE NECESSARY PROCESS OF AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION, because they know they could never succeed going that route. They want to get it through the back door, first by creating a nightmare of Obamacare, which they knew would cause so much strife that the American people would eventually DEMAND single-payer – a form of socialized medicine.


And look at all the bogus “rights” that have been created out of thin air, based mainly on the non-existent constitutional “right of privacy.” What started out as a prohibition against unreasonable SEARCHES has led to a “constitutional right:” to marry someone of the same gender!!? And now of course, most of America’s Leftists believe we have a right to “free” healthcare, that the Republicans are trying to TAKE AWAY!


Un.


*******.


Believable.


Well, Leftists don’t hate America. But they sorta do.

 

[frigidweirdo]

During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

By the way, the next time you talk to a liberal that likes to bring up "other countries" and their laws, bring up what their racial demographics are. They like to try to use the gun control laws in Europe as some great example of fixing the gun violence issues in the US, but never address the fact that Euro nations have far fewer blacks and Latinos. There are some Euro countries with gun ownership rates as high as the US, yet almost no gun violence.

Same goes for their health care systems. Euro countries don't have tens of millions of bottom feeders on welfare not paying into their health care systems. Plus, many of the health care systems in Europe aren't that great and people end up buying their own private insurance on top of paying for the public one.

So, are you saying that it is blacks or latinos which automatically make crime higher?

Because Africa's intentional homicide rate is LOWER than the Americas homicide rate. So, it can't be because of black people, right?

Madagascar has an intentional murder rate of 0.62, that's low. And it's full of black people.

There are 18 African countries with a murder rate LOWER than the US's murder rate. And they're mostly full of black people.

Blame it on hispanics? Well, Spain and Portugal have lower murder rates than the US too. So.... is it hispanic blood? Er.. no, probably not.

So what is it?

How about this. Christians.

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

You have to get down to number 27 on the list before you hit a non-Christian country, South Sudan. The next is number 42, Mali.

The bottom four happen to be Christian too, but they're so small you'd never really notice them. The first proper country there is Japan, not Christian. That's not to say there aren't Christian countries at the bottom, Europe has a low level of murder and lots of Christians, but it's more Christian lite.

The US is one of the most Christian countries in the first world, and one of the highest murder rates.

So, it's much easier to make such a case that Christian society ends up forgiving way, way too easily, and ends up with higher crime.

But blaming it on blacks doesn't work. Yes, in the US blacks have a massive problem. But is this because they're black, or because they're black IN THE USA? Probably the latter. And after years of slavery, segregation and beyond that something similar, you can see why.

 

[eddiew37]

Let's see. As we stand today. Who is destroying this country? Liberals is always been the same and it has not change after 2016. Did liberals change anything? Who is making all these nonsense tweets?
Because of Trump and people like you--- This country is divided far more than we ever had. The world no longer see us as the leader but a laughing stock because of stupidity and ignorance. Historically very low ratings here and overseas.

This is NOT Making America Great.

1. The real division comes from the left, not the right; much of that though the DumBama years.

2. What did the liberals change since 2016? Nothing. People voted to stop them.

3. Good to hear you know what the world thinks of the US. It must be a dirty little secret that only Democrats share because that's the new talking point of the left. But of course, it's Trumps tweets that divide the country.

1. Trump is dividing this country big time Ray you are just in big denial like the rest of his wrong doing.
DumBama? Obama is far smarter, decent and presidential than Trump. Trump cannot even come close.
Look who is looking so stupid, ignorant, hypocrite, lying, bastard president right now? Trump. Everyday as we move on more and more that he is proving himself unpresidential. This administration is in chaos and discombobulated.
His previous speech------ *Im the president they are not*. Whom is he talking too? The ISIS or Americans?
*Let Obamacare fail by itself* ---- That will make 32 millions Americans uninsured.
WHO in the right mind will say something like that? This country is going the wrong way dude.
2. So what did Trump stop Ray?
3. It's not a secret of the liberals. Truth hurts you Ray?

First off all politicians lie. Name me one that never has. It's not the lying that's the problem, it's what they lie about that matters.

It's the left dividing this country. Trump didn't cause all those protests. Trump didn't cause any riots. Trump didn't stop his adversary from speaking publicly. Trump didn't stop street traffic in anger. Trump didn't attack our police officers or destroy public and private property. All these events and more came from the left.

And how is it Trump's responsibility to make sure Commie Care doesn't fail? No matter what (or if) the Republicans come up with, it won't get one Democrat vote. All Trump is saying is that DumBama created this disaster, so let the disaster work it's own course. You wanted it, you supported it, so you live with it. Don't blame Trump or any Republican for it's failure.

ALL politicians lie BUT Trump lied the most just about everyday. He blurted a lot of unacceptable lies during campaign enough to sink any candidate. He still won because of ignorance.
Of all elected president Tump lied the most and still keep lying. And it's become a norm from people like you.
Trump is a well known all over US and world wide as a pathological lier.

Trump is dividing this country big time because his followers supporting him. Don't blame the left. That includes family against family because of ignorance and stupidity. See the following links to update yourself.

Donald Trump Is Dividing Our Country

Pew: Divide in America deeper than ever before

Young Americans fear Donald Trump will divide the nation: poll - National | Globalnews.ca

Poll: Americans feel more divided than ever

Donald Trump Is Breaking Up Marriages, Families: Latest Poll Shows President Dividing Country Even More

Protests. Volumes speak for itself. They just dont like Trump period.
If you listen to his speech it's more him against the Americans------ This is NOT Making America. It's only 6 months so far all we've seen is chaos and disarray administration.
Any failures and success of this country lay SOLELY in Trump's lap. That is and was always been the rules. You blame everything on Obama why would it change now?

Again I don't know anything about Commie-Care because we don't have communism.
Again I never heard of DumBama.

Mr. Trump implied he had his Own, fine and wonderful, health care plan.

The right wing should be advancing the best elements of two plans; not, nothing but repeal. Why is the right wing being rewarded for simply being, slackers.

WTF do you expect from morons who had 7 years to make a doable plan but chose to sit on their hands and bash?

 

[rightwinger]

1. The real division comes from the left, not the right; much of that though the DumBama years.

2. What did the liberals change since 2016? Nothing. People voted to stop them.

3. Good to hear you know what the world thinks of the US. It must be a dirty little secret that only Democrats share because that's the new talking point of the left. But of course, it's Trumps tweets that divide the country.

1. Trump is dividing this country big time Ray you are just in big denial like the rest of his wrong doing.
DumBama? Obama is far smarter, decent and presidential than Trump. Trump cannot even come close.
Look who is looking so stupid, ignorant, hypocrite, lying, bastard president right now? Trump. Everyday as we move on more and more that he is proving himself unpresidential. This administration is in chaos and discombobulated.
His previous speech------ *Im the president they are not*. Whom is he talking too? The ISIS or Americans?
*Let Obamacare fail by itself* ---- That will make 32 millions Americans uninsured.
WHO in the right mind will say something like that? This country is going the wrong way dude.
2. So what did Trump stop Ray?
3. It's not a secret of the liberals. Truth hurts you Ray?

First off all politicians lie. Name me one that never has. It's not the lying that's the problem, it's what they lie about that matters.

It's the left dividing this country. Trump didn't cause all those protests. Trump didn't cause any riots. Trump didn't stop his adversary from speaking publicly. Trump didn't stop street traffic in anger. Trump didn't attack our police officers or destroy public and private property. All these events and more came from the left.

And how is it Trump's responsibility to make sure Commie Care doesn't fail? No matter what (or if) the Republicans come up with, it won't get one Democrat vote. All Trump is saying is that DumBama created this disaster, so let the disaster work it's own course. You wanted it, you supported it, so you live with it. Don't blame Trump or any Republican for it's failure.

ALL politicians lie BUT Trump lied the most just about everyday. He blurted a lot of unacceptable lies during campaign enough to sink any candidate. He still won because of ignorance.
Of all elected president Tump lied the most and still keep lying. And it's become a norm from people like you.
Trump is a well known all over US and world wide as a pathological lier.

Trump is dividing this country big time because his followers supporting him. Don't blame the left. That includes family against family because of ignorance and stupidity. See the following links to update yourself.

Donald Trump Is Dividing Our Country

Pew: Divide in America deeper than ever before

Young Americans fear Donald Trump will divide the nation: poll - National | Globalnews.ca

Poll: Americans feel more divided than ever

Donald Trump Is Breaking Up Marriages, Families: Latest Poll Shows President Dividing Country Even More

Protests. Volumes speak for itself. They just dont like Trump period.
If you listen to his speech it's more him against the Americans------ This is NOT Making America. It's only 6 months so far all we've seen is chaos and disarray administration.
Any failures and success of this country lay SOLELY in Trump's lap. That is and was always been the rules. You blame everything on Obama why would it change now?

Again I don't know anything about Commie-Care because we don't have communism.
Again I never heard of DumBama.

Mr. Trump implied he had his Own, fine and wonderful, health care plan.

The right wing should be advancing the best elements of two plans; not, nothing but repeal. Why is the right wing being rewarded for simply being, slackers.

WTF do you expect from morons who had 7 years to make a doable plan but chose to sit on their hands and bash?

It was like a kid procrastinating on a term paper. He had two months to do it but waited till the night before to throw together something and then whines when the term paper gets an F

Trumpcare was an unsellable piece of shit

 

[eddiew37]

1. Trump is dividing this country big time Ray you are just in big denial like the rest of his wrong doing.
DumBama? Obama is far smarter, decent and presidential than Trump. Trump cannot even come close.
Look who is looking so stupid, ignorant, hypocrite, lying, bastard president right now? Trump. Everyday as we move on more and more that he is proving himself unpresidential. This administration is in chaos and discombobulated.
His previous speech------ *Im the president they are not*. Whom is he talking too? The ISIS or Americans?
*Let Obamacare fail by itself* ---- That will make 32 millions Americans uninsured.
WHO in the right mind will say something like that? This country is going the wrong way dude.
2. So what did Trump stop Ray?
3. It's not a secret of the liberals. Truth hurts you Ray?

First off all politicians lie. Name me one that never has. It's not the lying that's the problem, it's what they lie about that matters.

It's the left dividing this country. Trump didn't cause all those protests. Trump didn't cause any riots. Trump didn't stop his adversary from speaking publicly. Trump didn't stop street traffic in anger. Trump didn't attack our police officers or destroy public and private property. All these events and more came from the left.

And how is it Trump's responsibility to make sure Commie Care doesn't fail? No matter what (or if) the Republicans come up with, it won't get one Democrat vote. All Trump is saying is that DumBama created this disaster, so let the disaster work it's own course. You wanted it, you supported it, so you live with it. Don't blame Trump or any Republican for it's failure.

ALL politicians lie BUT Trump lied the most just about everyday. He blurted a lot of unacceptable lies during campaign enough to sink any candidate. He still won because of ignorance.
Of all elected president Tump lied the most and still keep lying. And it's become a norm from people like you.
Trump is a well known all over US and world wide as a pathological lier.

Trump is dividing this country big time because his followers supporting him. Don't blame the left. That includes family against family because of ignorance and stupidity. See the following links to update yourself.

Donald Trump Is Dividing Our Country

Pew: Divide in America deeper than ever before

Young Americans fear Donald Trump will divide the nation: poll - National | Globalnews.ca

Poll: Americans feel more divided than ever

Donald Trump Is Breaking Up Marriages, Families: Latest Poll Shows President Dividing Country Even More

Protests. Volumes speak for itself. They just dont like Trump period.
If you listen to his speech it's more him against the Americans------ This is NOT Making America. It's only 6 months so far all we've seen is chaos and disarray administration.
Any failures and success of this country lay SOLELY in Trump's lap. That is and was always been the rules. You blame everything on Obama why would it change now?

Again I don't know anything about Commie-Care because we don't have communism.
Again I never heard of DumBama.

Mr. Trump implied he had his Own, fine and wonderful, health care plan.

The right wing should be advancing the best elements of two plans; not, nothing but repeal. Why is the right wing being rewarded for simply being, slackers.

WTF do you expect from morons who had 7 years to make a doable plan but chose to sit on their hands and bash?

It was like a kid procrastinating on a term paper. He had two months to do it but waited till the night before to throw together something and then whines when the term paper gets an F

Trumpcare was an unsellable piece of shit

hope come election time the folks that would have been hurt remember how their reps wanted it and vote the slime out of office

 

[rightwinger]

First off all politicians lie. Name me one that never has. It's not the lying that's the problem, it's what they lie about that matters.

It's the left dividing this country. Trump didn't cause all those protests. Trump didn't cause any riots. Trump didn't stop his adversary from speaking publicly. Trump didn't stop street traffic in anger. Trump didn't attack our police officers or destroy public and private property. All these events and more came from the left.

And how is it Trump's responsibility to make sure Commie Care doesn't fail? No matter what (or if) the Republicans come up with, it won't get one Democrat vote. All Trump is saying is that DumBama created this disaster, so let the disaster work it's own course. You wanted it, you supported it, so you live with it. Don't blame Trump or any Republican for it's failure.

ALL politicians lie BUT Trump lied the most just about everyday. He blurted a lot of unacceptable lies during campaign enough to sink any candidate. He still won because of ignorance.
Of all elected president Tump lied the most and still keep lying. And it's become a norm from people like you.
Trump is a well known all over US and world wide as a pathological lier.

Trump is dividing this country big time because his followers supporting him. Don't blame the left. That includes family against family because of ignorance and stupidity. See the following links to update yourself.

Donald Trump Is Dividing Our Country

Pew: Divide in America deeper than ever before

Young Americans fear Donald Trump will divide the nation: poll - National | Globalnews.ca

Poll: Americans feel more divided than ever

Donald Trump Is Breaking Up Marriages, Families: Latest Poll Shows President Dividing Country Even More

Protests. Volumes speak for itself. They just dont like Trump period.
If you listen to his speech it's more him against the Americans------ This is NOT Making America. It's only 6 months so far all we've seen is chaos and disarray administration.
Any failures and success of this country lay SOLELY in Trump's lap. That is and was always been the rules. You blame everything on Obama why would it change now?

Again I don't know anything about Commie-Care because we don't have communism.
Again I never heard of DumBama.

Mr. Trump implied he had his Own, fine and wonderful, health care plan.

The right wing should be advancing the best elements of two plans; not, nothing but repeal. Why is the right wing being rewarded for simply being, slackers.

WTF do you expect from morons who had 7 years to make a doable plan but chose to sit on their hands and bash?

It was like a kid procrastinating on a term paper. He had two months to do it but waited till the night before to throw together something and then whines when the term paper gets an F

Trumpcare was an unsellable piece of shit

hope come election time the folks that would have been hurt remember how their reps wanted it and vote the slime out of office

22 million who would have lost insurance, older Americans who would have seen their rates skyrocket, low wage workers no longer eligible for subsidies or Medicaid....that was Trumpcare

And then there are the tens of millions of conservative voters who bought the lie that Republicans would repeal Obamacare if they voted for them

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

ALL politicians lie BUT Trump lied the most just about everyday. He blurted a lot of unacceptable lies during campaign enough to sink any candidate. He still won because of ignorance.
Of all elected president Tump lied the most and still keep lying. And it's become a norm from people like you.
Trump is a well known all over US and world wide as a pathological lier.

Trump is dividing this country big time because his followers supporting him. Don't blame the left. That includes family against family because of ignorance and stupidity. See the following links to update yourself.

Donald Trump Is Dividing Our Country

Pew: Divide in America deeper than ever before

Young Americans fear Donald Trump will divide the nation: poll - National | Globalnews.ca

Poll: Americans feel more divided than ever

Donald Trump Is Breaking Up Marriages, Families: Latest Poll Shows President Dividing Country Even More

Protests. Volumes speak for itself. They just dont like Trump period.
If you listen to his speech it's more him against the Americans------ This is NOT Making America. It's only 6 months so far all we've seen is chaos and disarray administration.
Any failures and success of this country lay SOLELY in Trump's lap. That is and was always been the rules. You blame everything on Obama why would it change now?

Again I don't know anything about Commie-Care because we don't have communism.
Again I never heard of DumBama.

Mr. Trump implied he had his Own, fine and wonderful, health care plan.

The right wing should be advancing the best elements of two plans; not, nothing but repeal. Why is the right wing being rewarded for simply being, slackers.

WTF do you expect from morons who had 7 years to make a doable plan but chose to sit on their hands and bash?

It was like a kid procrastinating on a term paper. He had two months to do it but waited till the night before to throw together something and then whines when the term paper gets an F

Trumpcare was an unsellable piece of shit

hope come election time the folks that would have been hurt remember how their reps wanted it and vote the slime out of office

22 million who would have lost insurance, older Americans who would have seen their rates skyrocket, low wage workers no longer eligible for subsidies or Medicaid....that was Trumpcare

And then there are the tens of millions of conservative voters who bought the lie that Republicans would repeal Obamacare if they voted for them

The Republican plan didn't take anybody off of Medicaid.

What was Obama Care? Making health insurance for low wage likely Democrat voters affordable while making it unaffordable to middle-class voters who vote Republican. But nobody on the left cared about that.

 

[RealDave]

Mr. Trump implied he had his Own, fine and wonderful, health care plan.

The right wing should be advancing the best elements of two plans; not, nothing but repeal. Why is the right wing being rewarded for simply being, slackers.

WTF do you expect from morons who had 7 years to make a doable plan but chose to sit on their hands and bash?

It was like a kid procrastinating on a term paper. He had two months to do it but waited till the night before to throw together something and then whines when the term paper gets an F

Trumpcare was an unsellable piece of shit

hope come election time the folks that would have been hurt remember how their reps wanted it and vote the slime out of office

22 million who would have lost insurance, older Americans who would have seen their rates skyrocket, low wage workers no longer eligible for subsidies or Medicaid....that was Trumpcare

And then there are the tens of millions of conservative voters who bought the lie that Republicans would repeal Obamacare if they voted for them

The Republican plan didn't take anybody off of Medicaid.

What was Obama Care? Making health insurance for low wage likely Democrat voters affordable while making it unaffordable to middle-class voters who vote Republican. But nobody on the left cared about that.

WTF. The Republican plan slashed federal funding for medicaid.

The chickenshit POS Republicans were making the States do it.

Wow, You defend that? Chickenshit politics.

The ACA did not make premiums u affordable. That is a lie. Premiums rose at a lower rate than before the ACA.

People buying insurance as individuals saved mega bucks whether they got a subsidy or not. A family of 4 making $90K could qualify for a subsidy. According to dumbass you, those are low wage people.

I ,lob=e it when you asswipes ***** about the ACA & then show you know nothing about it.

 

[initforme]

im with Ray on this one. Middle class folk were taking it in the chin with obamacare. The problem is this new bill isn't feasible either and cutting Medicaid is not going to be popular or win an election. approx 64 percent of nursing home patients require Medicaid to get that service. tens of millions without insurance will assuredly drive up costs as we the premium payers will pay more to pick up their tabs. While the uber wealthy get a tax break. None of it makes any sense.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So you don't even read your own links? It sure seems that way.

According to YOUR article, most of those subsidies were not subsidies at all. They were welfare handouts to the workers which Walmart has nothing to do with. Walmart does not sit in Congress. Walmart does not control the Senate. Walmart is not in the White House. It's POLITICIANS who give people welfare--not Walmart, and in fact, DumBama doubled the food stamp role once he took office--Walmart didn't.

See.......this is why you can't trust left-wing media. They're all a bunch of liars. As for larger companies, they get no more tax write-offs than any other store that sells the same goods. I work for a small trucking company. There are trucking companies twenty times the size of us or more in our area, yet my employer is doing just fine and has been in business over 35 years. He competes fine against them. In fact, since I've been with this company, some of them have even shut down and others have sold out.

Oh, I read the link and I understood what it was. The point still stands and you're still ignorning most of what I say because it's not convenient for you.

A bunch of liars? Yeah right Ray.

It's funny how lots of facts have to be ignore for all this to become a lie. Seriously, you're so partisan it's painful. You'll see only what fits your agenda. This isn't even a debate, because you're not debating here.

Then show me one instance where a law was written to give tax breaks to large businesses that they didn't give to small businesses in the same field.

Also note that it's Republicans that want to have a flat tax system. Democrats want to fight that all the way.

Walmart may have more write-offs than mom and pop shops, but it's not because of additional write-offs that they are provided, it's because as a larger organization, they have more write-offs.

I'm a landlord and I compete against big corporate apartment buildings. I'm doing fine. They are not getting any more deductions than I am. Yes, they have more deductions because they are a larger enterprise, but they are not getting special deductions that I don't get. We all get the same in this business.

I'm really not sure what you're asking that for.

You know, or you should do if you have at least one eye open, that companies like Amazon, Walmart etc are getting massive tax breaks when other companies aren't. Please tell me you know this is true.

Yes, the Republicans want a flat tax. I'm not sure why you've brought this up here. Even with a flat tax, companies like Walmart, Amazon and the rest would be paying "political donations" and then getting special deals different to other companies, only they'd be paying EVEN LESS than they are now.

So what does a flat tax have to do with what we're talking about?

So, you're saying that if Walmart earns $480 billion, and a small grocery store earns $480,000, that as a percentage of this money, Walmart will be equal to the small grocery store?

If you are saying this, can you back this up?

Find Out If Your Tax Rate Is Higher Than Walmart's

"most people pay something near what the government sets as the tax rate for their income."

"The same is not always true of corporations. "

" While the United States has the highest statutory corporate tax among industrialized nations (39.1 percent), corporations have a greater number of ways to bring that tax bill down."

Corporate Tax Explorer

Pepco holdings pays -33%.

Yes, it pays MINUS THIRTY THREE PERCENT.

Are you telling me this is fair?

Pepco holdings earns $480 million in profits in 2012

It paid -$76 million in tax. Why the hell is it paying MINUS tax?

Only one year from 2008-2012 did it pay plus tax, and that was $9 million, compared to $584 million it gained from the tax people.

State tax rate -9%

Are you telling me this is the same as the guy competing with them? Come off it.

People who have businesses are allowed to write off expenses, and they all work the same. Why did I bring up the flat tax? Because your assertion is that taxes are unfair based on the business or size of business.

Does everybody get a tax break offer? No, not if it's not an investment for a city or state. If a small company wants tax breaks to move into a city, and they are only going to hire 25 or so people, it's a loss for the city and they don't need it. A city won't open up a new industrial area or create new streets for a business that isn't going to produce a lot of tax revenue for the city.

As for the standard tax write offs for myself, larger apartment buildings have more write offs than I do. If they repave their parking lot, that could cost them 70K or more. If I repave mine, probably closer to 5K. They hire people to show apartments, take applications, and forward them to the company. They have to hire lawyers to get back rent, evict people, and settle possible lawsuits against them. I don't have any of those expenses. They have in ground swimming pools, some have spas and workout rooms. I don't have any those things. So they have much more to write off than I do, and there is nothing unfair about that.

One thing is what is allowed to happen, that doesn't make it right, or fair, that doesn't mean it benefits the country, it doesn't mean it doesn't give an unfair advantage to the rich.

It just means that it is allowed, it means the rich have paid the politicians who make sure it's legal, the politicians are happy, the rich are happy.

Nope, I still don't get why you brought up flat taxes, what you said doesn't make sense.

Again, as I've written about tax breaks for large companies, it doesn't benefit the country or the local area. It merely takes jobs away from other people, and hands it to those working for less at larger companies.

You seem to be blinded by partisan politics when you think it's the same that a large company, paying less, or no tax, and paying workers less, is the same as if they're working for smaller businesses paying their taxes.....

I don't get it Ray, I don't get why you seem to think an unfair system is good for the country.

Okay, let's look at your situation.

The problem I see is that you seem to be equating this to simply, if I have one, and you have ten, I pay half, you pay 5.

This isn't the case. This isn't what we're talking about here, but you seem to be ignoring the reality. i did a whole theoretical thing about Walmart, and I bet you didn't even read it.

Look.

You have a large business and a small business. They compete together.

If the large company is paying 10% tax, and the small company is paying 25% tax, are they competing? No, the larger company is getting the advantage. If they can then have workers being paid less, then they're paying less and therefore have more profits or lower prices.

It should be the other way around. Smaller businesses are BETTER for the economy. It means the cash is spread around more evenly, rather than in the pocket of one rich person who buys another summer house.

How some companies end up paying -33% tax is beyond me. The govt is paying them to do the work someone else would do, if they could be competitive, and pay their taxes like everyone else.

If someone is paying -33%, that means other people are having to pay a lot more taxes in order to fill in what the govt is paying this company AND what the company isn't paying. -33% is like the govt losing 66% of taxes. It takes from others, if it's taking from others, then they have a competitive advantage, don't they?

This means the GOVERNMENT is GIVING them a competitive advantage, doesn't it?

No, it does not.

Let's say a small and large business open up in the same area. Both pay 35% in taxes. Both are allowed to use 240 different items they can write off. The smaller store can only write off 35 of those items, and the larger store can write off 125 of those items, therefore, the larger store pays less in taxes because they have more write-offs.

In other words there are not two sets of tax laws for the same types of companies. There is only one set of tax laws for both.

Who gets more of a write-off, Applebee's, or the guy with the hot dog stand two blocks from Applebee's?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

WTF do you expect from morons who had 7 years to make a doable plan but chose to sit on their hands and bash?

It was like a kid procrastinating on a term paper. He had two months to do it but waited till the night before to throw together something and then whines when the term paper gets an F

Trumpcare was an unsellable piece of shit

hope come election time the folks that would have been hurt remember how their reps wanted it and vote the slime out of office

22 million who would have lost insurance, older Americans who would have seen their rates skyrocket, low wage workers no longer eligible for subsidies or Medicaid....that was Trumpcare

And then there are the tens of millions of conservative voters who bought the lie that Republicans would repeal Obamacare if they voted for them

The Republican plan didn't take anybody off of Medicaid.

What was Obama Care? Making health insurance for low wage likely Democrat voters affordable while making it unaffordable to middle-class voters who vote Republican. But nobody on the left cared about that.

WTF. The Republican plan slashed federal funding for medicaid.

The chickenshit POS Republicans were making the States do it.

Wow, You defend that? Chickenshit politics.

The ACA did not make premiums u affordable. That is a lie. Premiums rose at a lower rate than before the ACA.

People buying insurance as individuals saved mega bucks whether they got a subsidy or not. A family of 4 making $90K could qualify for a subsidy. According to dumbass you, those are low wage people.

I ,lob=e it when you asswipes ***** about the ACA & then show you know nothing about it.

WTF are you talking about? When did you apply for Commie Care and what did they offer you? I did. I know what they offered me. I know how much it cost. I know it was unaffordable because I don't make french fries for a living.

They told me there was only one insurance company available for me to continue seeing my doctor and going to my hospital I've been going to all of my life. They wanted over 25% of my net pay. The plan had a 7K deductible and a 7K out of pocket. No dental, no prescriptions, and a $50.00 copay for doctors visits.

In other words it didn't cover shit unless I made plans to run out in front of a moving bus. Even the worker on the phone admitted she could never afford that plan.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So please explain: what opportunities didn't she have???

The best one I can think of is ,,born in a ghetto to parents who to put it politely have no right to have any children

Everybody has a right to have children as long as it's not the taxpayer supporting them. If you can afford to support six children, by all means, have six children. If you want six children and want me to support them, that is something you don't have a right to.

And if you have 6 kids & are supporting them without help and then get a disease and can no longer work, they should take their kids to the Children Shelter & get them adopted out. Maybe they lose their jobs? Maybe they lose their spouse?

I love it. Your ilk wants to reduce access to birth control for poor people & then ***** when they have children. Proof of how ******* stupid you people are.

Oh yeah, I'm sure all those food stamp users with four or five kids that I see all the time at the grocery store were supporting them just fine with their six figure a year job until they got a disease. Talk about stupid fucken people........

So who reduced birth control to poor people? How did they do that, send a person to every store where birth control was sold and stop the people who looked poor from going in?

Who is cutting funding to Planned Parenthood?

The very organization that has been advocating family planning for 100 years. Then you complain if someone has five kids

You don't need planned parenthood to avoid having five kids. You need to keep your legs closed is all.