Zone1 Do Christians Proselytize out of “Love” - or Arrogance?

[SweetSue92]

James trashed Paul because James said the Commandments were paramount.
It’s your book to read.

I just skimmed it again--have read it multiple times. It's a book that focuses on works, sure, but I don't see anywhere that "the Commandments are paramount". Paramount to what?

 

[SweetSue92]

I'm sure you believe that. What I see is someone attacking a faith not their own. It's kind of a fucked up way of proselytizing. I'm sure in your mind you have rationalized what you are doing is noble but it just seems petty to me.

Message boards/etc are FILLED with people trying desperately to talk Christians out of their faith. I see that much, much more than I see Christians "preaching to" people who don't believe.

The Christian holidays are the worst, and I find that honestly nasty. Really, on someone's high holidays you're gonna trash their faith?

 

[Indeependent]

I just skimmed it again--have read it multiple times. It's a book that focuses on works, sure, but I don't see anywhere that "the Commandments are paramount". Paramount to what?

You were trained to skim.
Not good.

 

[SweetSue92]

You were trained to skim.
Not good.

Hahaha no I have read it and studied it. Skimmed it for any hint that the commandments are paramount over...what?

 

[Indeependent]

Hahaha no I have read it and studied it. Skimmed it for any hint that the commandments are paramount over...what?

You haven’t read James or Acts.
You think you have.

 

[DudleySmith]

Didn't you just know when you started this thread Lisa558 that the biggest, least intelligent mouth on this board was going to be unable to resist chiming in?

One of the things I admire most about Jews is the fact that they don't proselytize. I strongly dislike any religious proselytizing.

Some do, and in the past they've forced conversions as well as proselytized. But, since Ezra and his 'Master Race' cult they decided only Babylonian exiles were the only 'racially pure' Jews and that cult became exclusionary, but still wanted all the 'impure Jews' to make pilgrimages and shovel money into their pockets in Jerusalem in that nice big temple Cyrus built for them that has nothing at all to do with the religion of Moses, much like 'Rabbinical Judaism' has nothing to do with Moses and the pre-exile religion.

Christianity as a Jewish sect is in fact older than the rabbinical Judaism of today, which is a fake racist cult with a fake 'Oral Torah' invented to fool the 'tainted' Jews into believing they should shovel money at them just for being the 'Master Race'. Christians are the only real Jewish sect remaining who respect the Torah, outside of a small minority of Jews, like Samaritans and others, who still believe in the religion of Moses.

Judaism— Revelation of Moses Or Religion of Men?

Does Judaism with its elaborate code of traditions really represent the way of life God gave through Moses?

www.cbcg.org

"There is one who accuses you, even Moses.”​

"What often puzzles the novice reader of the New Testament gospel accounts is the open conflict that repeatedly took place between Jesus and the Jewish religious leaders of the day. How could it be that Christ found such fault with their teachings—”beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees”—while at the same time acknowledging that the scribes and Pharisees occupied “Moses' seat”? This apparent dichotomy has led many Christians to assume that the scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees were in fact the first-century guardians of the revelation given to Moses at Sinai, and that Jesus opposed the religionists at every turn because He came to “nullify” the Mosaic Law and replace it with grace.


Clearly, such a position places Jesus sharply at odds with Moses. But was Jesus really in conflict with Moses—or did He have a particular axe to grind with those Jewish religionists who only made a pretense of following Moses? The fact is, most Christians naively believe that the Jewish leaders of Jesus' day were the legitimate representatives of the “religion” of the Old Testament—a belief not supported by history or Scripture!


Fully upholding Moses and the written Torah, Christ stated: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill” (Matt. 5:17). In one of His many encounters with the scribes and Pharisees, Jesus indicated that they were the ones in conflict with Moses, actually guilty of misappropriating the prophet's name: “There is one who accuses you, even Moses.... And if you do not believe his writings, how shall you believe My words?” (John 5:45-47). Showing that they only made a pretense of following Moses, Jesus reproved them, saying, “Did not Moses give you the Law, and [yet] not one of you is [genuinely] practicing the Law?” (John 7:19). Moreover, on several occasions Christ upbraided the Pharisees for “teaching for doctrine the commandments of men.” He said, “Full well do you reject the commandment of God, so that you may observe your own tradition” (Mark 7:7-9; also Matt. 15:3).


Is it possible that first-century Pharisaism—which, as this book will show, is universally acknowledged by Jewish scholars as having been the prototype of Rabbinical Judaism—did not at all reflect the heart and spirit of the Old Testament? Could it be that the true “religion” God revealed first through Abraham and then codified through Moses—which is actually a way of life defined by God's laws and commandments—had over centuries been buried by sages under a mountain of Jewish tradition? And if Pharisaism was not reflective of the teachings of Moses and the Scriptures, then how did such a religion arise in Judah? How and when did the Jews lose sight of the simple Hebraic way of life defined by the Old Testament?


That such fundamental differences existed between the teachings of Jesus and what the apostle Paul would later call the “Jews' religion” (Gal. 1:13-14) begs the question: Was first-century Jewish religion a corruption of the ancient way of life God had given to the children of Israel through Moses? And what of modern-day Judaism—is it not simply a continuation of that same religious system of the Jews' own devising?

In a rather telling comment, historian Paul Johnson writes that there “have been four great formative periods in Jewish history: under Abraham, under Moses, during and shortly after the Exile, and after the destruction of the Second Temple. The first two [under Abraham, then Moses,] produced the religion of Yahweh”—that is, the true way of life defined by God's laws and commandments—”the second two developed and refined it into Judaism itself” (A History of the Jews, pp. 83-84; emphasis added). Johnson admits here that Judaism dates from the time just after the Babylonian Exile, and differs from what he calls the original “religion of Yahweh” formed under Abraham and Moses. Typical of scholars, however, Johnson suggests that Judaism is an improvement over the way of life given through the written Torah—as if God's Law needed to be “developed and refined.” As this book will show, this is precisely the carnal mindset that anciently led to the development of Judaism's centerpiece—the so-called “oral law.”

With a similar perspective, American rabbinical scholar Stephen S. Wise has stated, “The [Jews'] return from Babylon ..... [marked] the end of Hebrew-ism and the beginning of Judaism” (The Other End of the World, Roger Rusk, p. 182). Ernest L. Martin, widely recognized for his scholarly research on Judaism, writes: “History shows—and the Jews themselves admit—that their religion had drifted far away from the simple doctrines of Scripture, commonly called the 'Old Testament.' The Jews had modified God's law and even instituted laws and commandments of their own which were, in many instances, diametrically opposite of the precepts of Moses” (Is Judaism the Religion of Moses?, p. 1; emphasis added).

Again, did Jesus really have a problem with Moses and the Law, or was He simply dealing straightforwardly with the hypocritical religionists of His day? To paraphrase Matthew 16:12, Christ might just as well have warned His disciples to “beware of the religion of the Pharisees and Sadducees,” identifying the precursor to Judaism for what it really was—a deeply flawed humanly-devised religious system. As this book will show, this Jewish system of religion evolved over centuries, based on a so-called “oral law” allegedly given to Moses along with the written Torah. Over time, this “oral law”—which Jesus called “traditions of men”—grew into a vast code of detailed rules and regulations. Ultimately, the “oral law” was published as the Babylonian Talmud—the undisputed authority for Judaism.

In Exploring the World of the Jew, John Phillips writes that while Jewish life had for centuries revolved around the written Torah, by the first century AD the Law had been “buried beneath vast accumulations of tradition and encrusted with enormous deposits of human interpretation. The Torah itself has been largely superseded in Judaism by the Talmud. The five books of the Torah can be written out in 350 pages. The Talmud takes up 523 books printed in 22 volumes” (p. 55; emphasis added)."

The book gives a solid critique of post exilic 'Judaism' and its falsehoods.

 

[Indeependent]

Some do, and in the past they've forced conversions as well as proselytized. But, since Ezra and his 'Master Race' cult they decided only Babylonian exiles were the only 'racially pure' Jews and that cult became exclusionary, but still wanted all the 'impure Jews' to make pilgrimages and shovel money into their pockets in Jerusalem in that nice big temple Cyrus built for them that has nothing at all to do with the religion of Moses, much like 'Rabbinical Judaism' has nothing to do with Moses and the pre-exile religion.

Christianity as a Jewish sect is in fact older than the rabbinical Judaism of today, which is a fake racist cult with a fake 'Oral Torah' invented to fool the 'tainted' Jews into believing they should shovel money at them just for being the 'Master Race'. Christians are the only real Jewish sect remaining who respect the Torah, outside of a small minority of Jews, like Samaritans and others, who still believe in the religion of Moses.

Judaism— Revelation of Moses Or Religion of Men?

Does Judaism with its elaborate code of traditions really represent the way of life God gave through Moses?

www.cbcg.org

"There is one who accuses you, even Moses.”​

"What often puzzles the novice reader of the New Testament gospel accounts is the open conflict that repeatedly took place between Jesus and the Jewish religious leaders of the day. How could it be that Christ found such fault with their teachings—”beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees”—while at the same time acknowledging that the scribes and Pharisees occupied “Moses' seat”? This apparent dichotomy has led many Christians to assume that the scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees were in fact the first-century guardians of the revelation given to Moses at Sinai, and that Jesus opposed the religionists at every turn because He came to “nullify” the Mosaic Law and replace it with grace.


Clearly, such a position places Jesus sharply at odds with Moses. But was Jesus really in conflict with Moses—or did He have a particular axe to grind with those Jewish religionists who only made a pretense of following Moses? The fact is, most Christians naively believe that the Jewish leaders of Jesus' day were the legitimate representatives of the “religion” of the Old Testament—a belief not supported by history or Scripture!


Fully upholding Moses and the written Torah, Christ stated: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill” (Matt. 5:17). In one of His many encounters with the scribes and Pharisees, Jesus indicated that they were the ones in conflict with Moses, actually guilty of misappropriating the prophet's name: “There is one who accuses you, even Moses.... And if you do not believe his writings, how shall you believe My words?” (John 5:45-47). Showing that they only made a pretense of following Moses, Jesus reproved them, saying, “Did not Moses give you the Law, and [yet] not one of you is [genuinely] practicing the Law?” (John 7:19). Moreover, on several occasions Christ upbraided the Pharisees for “teaching for doctrine the commandments of men.” He said, “Full well do you reject the commandment of God, so that you may observe your own tradition” (Mark 7:7-9; also Matt. 15:3).


Is it possible that first-century Pharisaism—which, as this book will show, is universally acknowledged by Jewish scholars as having been the prototype of Rabbinical Judaism—did not at all reflect the heart and spirit of the Old Testament? Could it be that the true “religion” God revealed first through Abraham and then codified through Moses—which is actually a way of life defined by God's laws and commandments—had over centuries been buried by sages under a mountain of Jewish tradition? And if Pharisaism was not reflective of the teachings of Moses and the Scriptures, then how did such a religion arise in Judah? How and when did the Jews lose sight of the simple Hebraic way of life defined by the Old Testament?


That such fundamental differences existed between the teachings of Jesus and what the apostle Paul would later call the “Jews' religion” (Gal. 1:13-14) begs the question: Was first-century Jewish religion a corruption of the ancient way of life God had given to the children of Israel through Moses? And what of modern-day Judaism—is it not simply a continuation of that same religious system of the Jews' own devising?

In a rather telling comment, historian Paul Johnson writes that there “have been four great formative periods in Jewish history: under Abraham, under Moses, during and shortly after the Exile, and after the destruction of the Second Temple. The first two [under Abraham, then Moses,] produced the religion of Yahweh”—that is, the true way of life defined by God's laws and commandments—”the second two developed and refined it into Judaism itself” (A History of the Jews, pp. 83-84; emphasis added). Johnson admits here that Judaism dates from the time just after the Babylonian Exile, and differs from what he calls the original “religion of Yahweh” formed under Abraham and Moses. Typical of scholars, however, Johnson suggests that Judaism is an improvement over the way of life given through the written Torah—as if God's Law needed to be “developed and refined.” As this book will show, this is precisely the carnal mindset that anciently led to the development of Judaism's centerpiece—the so-called “oral law.”

With a similar perspective, American rabbinical scholar Stephen S. Wise has stated, “The [Jews'] return from Babylon ..... [marked] the end of Hebrew-ism and the beginning of Judaism” (The Other End of the World, Roger Rusk, p. 182). Ernest L. Martin, widely recognized for his scholarly research on Judaism, writes: “History shows—and the Jews themselves admit—that their religion had drifted far away from the simple doctrines of Scripture, commonly called the 'Old Testament.' The Jews had modified God's law and even instituted laws and commandments of their own which were, in many instances, diametrically opposite of the precepts of Moses” (Is Judaism the Religion of Moses?, p. 1; emphasis added).

Again, did Jesus really have a problem with Moses and the Law, or was He simply dealing straightforwardly with the hypocritical religionists of His day? To paraphrase Matthew 16:12, Christ might just as well have warned His disciples to “beware of the religion of the Pharisees and Sadducees,” identifying the precursor to Judaism for what it really was—a deeply flawed humanly-devised religious system. As this book will show, this Jewish system of religion evolved over centuries, based on a so-called “oral law” allegedly given to Moses along with the written Torah. Over time, this “oral law”—which Jesus called “traditions of men”—grew into a vast code of detailed rules and regulations. Ultimately, the “oral law” was published as the Babylonian Talmud—the undisputed authority for Judaism.

In Exploring the World of the Jew, John Phillips writes that while Jewish life had for centuries revolved around the written Torah, by the first century AD the Law had been “buried beneath vast accumulations of tradition and encrusted with enormous deposits of human interpretation. The Torah itself has been largely superseded in Judaism by the Talmud. The five books of the Torah can be written out in 350 pages. The Talmud takes up 523 books printed in 22 volumes” (p. 55; emphasis added)."

The book gives a solid critique of post exilic 'Judaism' and its falsehoods.

Explain how to slaughter a cow using only the Torah…I’ll wait.

 

[Indeependent]

Some do, and in the past they've forced conversions as well as proselytized. But, since Ezra and his 'Master Race' cult they decided only Babylonian exiles were the only 'racially pure' Jews and that cult became exclusionary, but still wanted all the 'impure Jews' to make pilgrimages and shovel money into their pockets in Jerusalem in that nice big temple Cyrus built for them that has nothing at all to do with the religion of Moses, much like 'Rabbinical Judaism' has nothing to do with Moses and the pre-exile religion.

Christianity as a Jewish sect is in fact older than the rabbinical Judaism of today, which is a fake racist cult with a fake 'Oral Torah' invented to fool the 'tainted' Jews into believing they should shovel money at them just for being the 'Master Race'. Christians are the only real Jewish sect remaining who respect the Torah, outside of a small minority of Jews, like Samaritans and others, who still believe in the religion of Moses.

Judaism— Revelation of Moses Or Religion of Men?

Does Judaism with its elaborate code of traditions really represent the way of life God gave through Moses?

www.cbcg.org

"There is one who accuses you, even Moses.”​

"What often puzzles the novice reader of the New Testament gospel accounts is the open conflict that repeatedly took place between Jesus and the Jewish religious leaders of the day. How could it be that Christ found such fault with their teachings—”beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees”—while at the same time acknowledging that the scribes and Pharisees occupied “Moses' seat”? This apparent dichotomy has led many Christians to assume that the scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees were in fact the first-century guardians of the revelation given to Moses at Sinai, and that Jesus opposed the religionists at every turn because He came to “nullify” the Mosaic Law and replace it with grace.


Clearly, such a position places Jesus sharply at odds with Moses. But was Jesus really in conflict with Moses—or did He have a particular axe to grind with those Jewish religionists who only made a pretense of following Moses? The fact is, most Christians naively believe that the Jewish leaders of Jesus' day were the legitimate representatives of the “religion” of the Old Testament—a belief not supported by history or Scripture!


Fully upholding Moses and the written Torah, Christ stated: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill” (Matt. 5:17). In one of His many encounters with the scribes and Pharisees, Jesus indicated that they were the ones in conflict with Moses, actually guilty of misappropriating the prophet's name: “There is one who accuses you, even Moses.... And if you do not believe his writings, how shall you believe My words?” (John 5:45-47). Showing that they only made a pretense of following Moses, Jesus reproved them, saying, “Did not Moses give you the Law, and [yet] not one of you is [genuinely] practicing the Law?” (John 7:19). Moreover, on several occasions Christ upbraided the Pharisees for “teaching for doctrine the commandments of men.” He said, “Full well do you reject the commandment of God, so that you may observe your own tradition” (Mark 7:7-9; also Matt. 15:3).


Is it possible that first-century Pharisaism—which, as this book will show, is universally acknowledged by Jewish scholars as having been the prototype of Rabbinical Judaism—did not at all reflect the heart and spirit of the Old Testament? Could it be that the true “religion” God revealed first through Abraham and then codified through Moses—which is actually a way of life defined by God's laws and commandments—had over centuries been buried by sages under a mountain of Jewish tradition? And if Pharisaism was not reflective of the teachings of Moses and the Scriptures, then how did such a religion arise in Judah? How and when did the Jews lose sight of the simple Hebraic way of life defined by the Old Testament?


That such fundamental differences existed between the teachings of Jesus and what the apostle Paul would later call the “Jews' religion” (Gal. 1:13-14) begs the question: Was first-century Jewish religion a corruption of the ancient way of life God had given to the children of Israel through Moses? And what of modern-day Judaism—is it not simply a continuation of that same religious system of the Jews' own devising?

In a rather telling comment, historian Paul Johnson writes that there “have been four great formative periods in Jewish history: under Abraham, under Moses, during and shortly after the Exile, and after the destruction of the Second Temple. The first two [under Abraham, then Moses,] produced the religion of Yahweh”—that is, the true way of life defined by God's laws and commandments—”the second two developed and refined it into Judaism itself” (A History of the Jews, pp. 83-84; emphasis added). Johnson admits here that Judaism dates from the time just after the Babylonian Exile, and differs from what he calls the original “religion of Yahweh” formed under Abraham and Moses. Typical of scholars, however, Johnson suggests that Judaism is an improvement over the way of life given through the written Torah—as if God's Law needed to be “developed and refined.” As this book will show, this is precisely the carnal mindset that anciently led to the development of Judaism's centerpiece—the so-called “oral law.”

With a similar perspective, American rabbinical scholar Stephen S. Wise has stated, “The [Jews'] return from Babylon ..... [marked] the end of Hebrew-ism and the beginning of Judaism” (The Other End of the World, Roger Rusk, p. 182). Ernest L. Martin, widely recognized for his scholarly research on Judaism, writes: “History shows—and the Jews themselves admit—that their religion had drifted far away from the simple doctrines of Scripture, commonly called the 'Old Testament.' The Jews had modified God's law and even instituted laws and commandments of their own which were, in many instances, diametrically opposite of the precepts of Moses” (Is Judaism the Religion of Moses?, p. 1; emphasis added).

Again, did Jesus really have a problem with Moses and the Law, or was He simply dealing straightforwardly with the hypocritical religionists of His day? To paraphrase Matthew 16:12, Christ might just as well have warned His disciples to “beware of the religion of the Pharisees and Sadducees,” identifying the precursor to Judaism for what it really was—a deeply flawed humanly-devised religious system. As this book will show, this Jewish system of religion evolved over centuries, based on a so-called “oral law” allegedly given to Moses along with the written Torah. Over time, this “oral law”—which Jesus called “traditions of men”—grew into a vast code of detailed rules and regulations. Ultimately, the “oral law” was published as the Babylonian Talmud—the undisputed authority for Judaism.

In Exploring the World of the Jew, John Phillips writes that while Jewish life had for centuries revolved around the written Torah, by the first century AD the Law had been “buried beneath vast accumulations of tradition and encrusted with enormous deposits of human interpretation. The Torah itself has been largely superseded in Judaism by the Talmud. The five books of the Torah can be written out in 350 pages. The Talmud takes up 523 books printed in 22 volumes” (p. 55; emphasis added)."

The book gives a solid critique of post exilic 'Judaism' and its falsehoods.

Explain why the Torah explicitly states to follow whatever the Rabbis say…I’ll wait.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Some do, and in the past they've forced conversions as well as proselytized. But, since Ezra and his 'Master Race' cult they decided only Babylonian exiles were the only 'racially pure' Jews and that cult became exclusionary, but still wanted all the 'impure Jews' to make pilgrimages and shovel money into their pockets in Jerusalem in that nice big temple Cyrus built for them that has nothing at all to do with the religion of Moses, much like 'Rabbinical Judaism' has nothing to do with Moses and the pre-exile religion.

Christianity as a Jewish sect is in fact older than the rabbinical Judaism of today, which is a fake racist cult with a fake 'Oral Torah' invented to fool the 'tainted' Jews into believing they should shovel money at them just for being the 'Master Race'. Christians are the only real Jewish sect remaining who respect the Torah, outside of a small minority of Jews, like Samaritans and others, who still believe in the religion of Moses.

Judaism— Revelation of Moses Or Religion of Men?

Does Judaism with its elaborate code of traditions really represent the way of life God gave through Moses?

www.cbcg.org

"There is one who accuses you, even Moses.”​

"What often puzzles the novice reader of the New Testament gospel accounts is the open conflict that repeatedly took place between Jesus and the Jewish religious leaders of the day. How could it be that Christ found such fault with their teachings—”beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees”—while at the same time acknowledging that the scribes and Pharisees occupied “Moses' seat”? This apparent dichotomy has led many Christians to assume that the scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees were in fact the first-century guardians of the revelation given to Moses at Sinai, and that Jesus opposed the religionists at every turn because He came to “nullify” the Mosaic Law and replace it with grace.


Clearly, such a position places Jesus sharply at odds with Moses. But was Jesus really in conflict with Moses—or did He have a particular axe to grind with those Jewish religionists who only made a pretense of following Moses? The fact is, most Christians naively believe that the Jewish leaders of Jesus' day were the legitimate representatives of the “religion” of the Old Testament—a belief not supported by history or Scripture!


Fully upholding Moses and the written Torah, Christ stated: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill” (Matt. 5:17). In one of His many encounters with the scribes and Pharisees, Jesus indicated that they were the ones in conflict with Moses, actually guilty of misappropriating the prophet's name: “There is one who accuses you, even Moses.... And if you do not believe his writings, how shall you believe My words?” (John 5:45-47). Showing that they only made a pretense of following Moses, Jesus reproved them, saying, “Did not Moses give you the Law, and [yet] not one of you is [genuinely] practicing the Law?” (John 7:19). Moreover, on several occasions Christ upbraided the Pharisees for “teaching for doctrine the commandments of men.” He said, “Full well do you reject the commandment of God, so that you may observe your own tradition” (Mark 7:7-9; also Matt. 15:3).


Is it possible that first-century Pharisaism—which, as this book will show, is universally acknowledged by Jewish scholars as having been the prototype of Rabbinical Judaism—did not at all reflect the heart and spirit of the Old Testament? Could it be that the true “religion” God revealed first through Abraham and then codified through Moses—which is actually a way of life defined by God's laws and commandments—had over centuries been buried by sages under a mountain of Jewish tradition? And if Pharisaism was not reflective of the teachings of Moses and the Scriptures, then how did such a religion arise in Judah? How and when did the Jews lose sight of the simple Hebraic way of life defined by the Old Testament?


That such fundamental differences existed between the teachings of Jesus and what the apostle Paul would later call the “Jews' religion” (Gal. 1:13-14) begs the question: Was first-century Jewish religion a corruption of the ancient way of life God had given to the children of Israel through Moses? And what of modern-day Judaism—is it not simply a continuation of that same religious system of the Jews' own devising?

In a rather telling comment, historian Paul Johnson writes that there “have been four great formative periods in Jewish history: under Abraham, under Moses, during and shortly after the Exile, and after the destruction of the Second Temple. The first two [under Abraham, then Moses,] produced the religion of Yahweh”—that is, the true way of life defined by God's laws and commandments—”the second two developed and refined it into Judaism itself” (A History of the Jews, pp. 83-84; emphasis added). Johnson admits here that Judaism dates from the time just after the Babylonian Exile, and differs from what he calls the original “religion of Yahweh” formed under Abraham and Moses. Typical of scholars, however, Johnson suggests that Judaism is an improvement over the way of life given through the written Torah—as if God's Law needed to be “developed and refined.” As this book will show, this is precisely the carnal mindset that anciently led to the development of Judaism's centerpiece—the so-called “oral law.”

With a similar perspective, American rabbinical scholar Stephen S. Wise has stated, “The [Jews'] return from Babylon ..... [marked] the end of Hebrew-ism and the beginning of Judaism” (The Other End of the World, Roger Rusk, p. 182). Ernest L. Martin, widely recognized for his scholarly research on Judaism, writes: “History shows—and the Jews themselves admit—that their religion had drifted far away from the simple doctrines of Scripture, commonly called the 'Old Testament.' The Jews had modified God's law and even instituted laws and commandments of their own which were, in many instances, diametrically opposite of the precepts of Moses” (Is Judaism the Religion of Moses?, p. 1; emphasis added).

Again, did Jesus really have a problem with Moses and the Law, or was He simply dealing straightforwardly with the hypocritical religionists of His day? To paraphrase Matthew 16:12, Christ might just as well have warned His disciples to “beware of the religion of the Pharisees and Sadducees,” identifying the precursor to Judaism for what it really was—a deeply flawed humanly-devised religious system. As this book will show, this Jewish system of religion evolved over centuries, based on a so-called “oral law” allegedly given to Moses along with the written Torah. Over time, this “oral law”—which Jesus called “traditions of men”—grew into a vast code of detailed rules and regulations. Ultimately, the “oral law” was published as the Babylonian Talmud—the undisputed authority for Judaism.

In Exploring the World of the Jew, John Phillips writes that while Jewish life had for centuries revolved around the written Torah, by the first century AD the Law had been “buried beneath vast accumulations of tradition and encrusted with enormous deposits of human interpretation. The Torah itself has been largely superseded in Judaism by the Talmud. The five books of the Torah can be written out in 350 pages. The Talmud takes up 523 books printed in 22 volumes” (p. 55; emphasis added)."

The book gives a solid critique of post exilic 'Judaism' and its falsehoods.

I'm not a religious scholar. I simply meant that I personally have never witnesses any of the Jews I've known proselytizing.

 

[Lisa558]

I'm not a religious scholar. I simply meant that I personally have never witnesses any of the Jews I've known proselytizing.

I’ve never known any either, and I’ve known hundreds. It’s never even discussed as a possibility. A big part of that is because we don’t think one needs to be Jewish to have a place in The World to Come.

 

[irosie91]

Having been on the receiving end of Evangelical Christians‘ relentless attempts to get me to abandon my religion (Judaism), I have often heard them say they do it out of love to “share the Truth.” The attempt to convert usually escalates to dire warnings of the hell that awaits and how angry G-d is with Jews.

So is this really love? There are numerous religions in the world, with the majority of people not believing in Jesus, and one‘s religious beliefs are as much the truth to them as Christians beliefs are to Christians.

In this article, it explains how force-feeding one’s religious beliefs onto others, with the insistence that their way and only their way is the path to G-d, is both arrogant and disrespectful. I hope that those who have been aggressively proselytizing will give it some thought.

To Those Proselytizing Out Of Love: You Aren’t

I have something to say to those who are trying to convert me to their religion because they say they love me: that’s not love. That’s arrogance, disrespect, fear, ego, and a lot more.

www.patheos.com

Nope Lisa----christians proselytize for the same reason that muslims do it---
IMPERIALISM

 

[JustAGuy1]

Didn't you just know when you started this thread Lisa558 that the biggest, least intelligent mouth on this board was going to be unable to resist chiming in?

One of the things I admire most about Jews is the fact that they don't proselytize. I strongly dislike any religious proselytizing.

She certainly is a whiner

 

[Lisa558]

Nope Lisa----christians proselytize for the same reason that muslims do it---
IMPERIALISM

That’s even worse. But you may have a point. The poster who said “repent or perish” (or whatever) also said the Christians have a divine mandate to have power over society. Scary stuff.

 

[Lisa558]

She certainly is a whiner

You’re not making Christians look good with your attitude.

 

[irosie91]

I don’t think it was Jesus‘ intent at all to start a new religion. He just added some “twists.” It was really Paul who started it, after Jesus died.

I know of no "TWIST" added by Jesus-----it seems to me that it was ALL PAUL
(all-paul <<POETRY!!!!!)

 

[Lisa558]

I know of no "TWIST" added by Jesus-----it seems to me that it was ALL PAUL
(all-paul <<POETRY!!!!!)

Definitely. It was Paul who got it in his head to start a new religion.

As far as the “twist”added by Jesus, I was thinking about his saying that all food was pure to enter the mouth.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

She certainly is a whiner

To whom are you referring?

 

[irosie91]

Explain how to slaughter a cow using only the Torah…I’ll wait.

always remember-----when addressing the jellybean culture---talk
JELLYBEANS

 

[irosie91]

Definitely. It was Paul who got it in his head to start a new religion.

As far as the “twist”added by Jesus, I was thinking about his saying that all food was pure to enter the mouth.

He did not actually say that-----he just got tired of mom saying "DID YOU WASH
YOUR HANDS"?

 

[Lisa558]

To whom are you referring?

I’m sure he’s referring to me because I pointed out that having Christians tell me that G-d is angry at Jews and will send us to hell unless we believe his version of the truth is both arrogant and disrespectful. He wants Jews to just accept the relentless harassment to abandon their religion.

Can you imagine if Jews would hound Christians that G-d is angry at them for elevating a mortal man to a supreme being and will send them to hell unless they become Jewish?!