The soldiers were mocking Jesus. Rome didn't care about Jesus. He was no threat to them. Jesus never challenged Roman authority. His kingdom was not of this world.
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The soldiers were mocking Jesus. Rome didn't care about Jesus. He was no threat to them. Jesus never challenged Roman authority. His kingdom was not of this world.
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The Messiah is supposed to be descended from the House of David, and Jesus was not - and knew it.
Correct..and Jesus wasn't an anointed warrior king who vanquished the enemies of the Jews.
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All throughout Scripture.
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Christians believe Jesus was Judah via his mother.
I don't know how anyone can expect a Jewish Messiah nowadays, since Judah can scarce be found.
I don't know how anyone can expect a Jewish Messiah nowadays, since Judah can scarce be found.
Did Jesus conqueror the Romans or chase them out of the holy land? Was he king of Israel?
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It was all of the Apostles and all the authors of the New Testament. Paul was just one. Matthew was absolutely brilliant. He used the Hebrew Bible as a foreshadowing of his Gospel. Or, another way, his Gospel was an overlay over the Hebrew Bible. While not exact or very precise (it couldn't be), If one knew the story of the Jews, one knew the story of Jesus--and vice-versa. If one knew the story of Jesus, they knew the story of the Jews.
Matthew can be criticized for using poetic license by those who want exact renderings of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, but from a literary standpoint of giving people a general idea of God's ongoing plans for mankind, Matthew (my opinion) was brilliant.
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Good Lord you truly are ignorant of the Bible. Of course not and that is why the Jews rejected Him, He was however descended from David and that is why He is OUR Messiah. Whatever you paid for your education was very clearly too much.
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Specifically, what did John say that is problematic?
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Of the ten times "Son of David" appears in the Gospels, six of them are in Matthew's account, through the line of of Joseph. Through marriage to Joseph, Mary's children would continue that line. The issue then becomes does Jesus being a mamzer make him ineligible to this title?
Some theorize that including the genealogy (where four are not even Jewish) would make Jesus equally legitimate to be addressed as a 'Son of David'.
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I need something specific so context can be studied.
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That we are children of Satan.
P.S. Farrakhan has said the same thing. Maybe this is where he gets it from.
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Jesus was speaking to a specific group that was trying to find a reason to have him put to death. He was not speaking to a not well-liked political group, not the Jewish nation.
To this select group in the Temple area, Jesus said he was speaking the Word of God, and they should listen to him. These Jews said their father was Abraham. Jesus responded that if they were children of Abraham, then they should act as Abraham acted. Jesus said he had spoken the truth to them, the truth he heard from God--and that Abraham had never tried to kill anyone who spoke words from God.
The few people who were accosting Jesus were trying to have him killed. Jesus said he was from God, and if God was their Father they would hear and understand what he was teaching. The reason they could not was that God was not their Father, and since they were speaking lies about him and had murder in their hearts towards him, their father must be the devil, who is the father of falsehood.
I am certain the great majority of Jews--both then and now--do not speak lies nor do they have murder in their hearts.
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I believe there are some that have no relationship with God, but, can obtain a relationship with Him via revelation or awakening
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Matthew, Mark, and Luke speak of the Sanhedrin, and John opens it up with a more broad description “the Jews.” This sadly has been used by bigots for 2,000 years to persecute, expel, and murder Jews by the millions. John specifically has provided antisemites with justification for their hatred toward us.
So why would he say “the Jews,” prone to misinterpretation that it is all Jews? My thought is that it reflects the ongoing frustration by 1st century Christians to the Jews of the same era who held steadfast to the covenant with G-d, and refused to convert.
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We’re still waiting. You are correct.
Why don't Jews believe in Jesus? | Aish
Do Jews believe in Jesus? Read on to learn more about why for 2,000 years Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus as messiah.
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We’re still waiting. You are correct.
Why don't Jews believe in Jesus? | Aish
Do Jews believe in Jesus? Read on to learn more about why for 2,000 years Jews have rejected the Christian idea of Jesus as messiah.
Great link.. as for me. I figure God has this handled.
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