Discovery of stone seal from the time of King David proves Jewish roots to Jerusalem

[Phoenall]

Judeans became Palestinians when the Romans renamed the province

That was an attempt by the Roman Empire to disassociate the Jews from their native homeland of Israel. This seems to be the crux of your argument, and a purposeful mischaracterization of history. It proves no link by "Palestinians" to the land of Judea, or for that matter, to the Canaanites.

I'll recite the link I gave to you this morning:

"There is no archaeological evidence to support the claim of Jebusite-Arab-Palestinian continuity. Eric Cline, an associate professor of Semitic languages and literatures at George Washington University, cites general consensus among historians and archeologists that modern Palestinians are "more closely related to the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, and other countries"[35] than the Jebusites of the ancient world. Assimilation, annihilation, and acculturation undercut any significant connection between Jebusites and modern Palestinians.[36]"

There is only Zionist propaganda, no general consensus you brainwashed monkey.

"Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European"
Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism..."

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

As far as real Jews from the Middle East:

"Palestinians, Jews share common genetic lineage"

“The closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish groups were the Palestinians, Israeli Bedouins, and Druze in addition to the Southern Europeans, including Cypriots,” as Ostrer and Skorecki wrote in a review of their findings that they co-authored in the journal Human Genetics in October 2012."

Palestinians, Jews share common genetic lineage | Genetic Literacy Project

Both these links have been discredited many times over, and so you don't see the facts you put people on ignore like the coward you are.

 

[Phoenall]

The blacks in South Africa figured out how to overcome their "severe disadvantage". In Rhodesia too, but the white Rhodesians were too stubborn and were virtually eliminated. Demographics are a *****.

OFF TOPIC SPAMMING AND TROLLING AGAIN, CANT THE MODS STOP THIS ?

 

[Phoenall]

After you learn to spell millennia. When were Muslims murdering themselves any more than Christians?

From 635 C.E. when islam split into Sunni and Sh'ia for control of the soldiers

 

[Phoenall]

Somehow Monte thinks that just because the Palestinians share genes with the Jews that somehow, perhaps, that Jerusalem belongs to them.

Rofl.

Is that any more silly than believing an old rock matters?

Then you have just admitted that you don't want any historical link between the Jews and the temple mount to be found because it blows apart your whole POV. If that old rock proved that mo'mad travelled to Jerusalem and through time you would be pushing it for all it was worth.

 

[Challenger]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

Well, citing a Muslim perspective on the topic just destroyed your credibility on the subject, not to mention your math is terrible, seeing as how Jews comprise 75% of the Israeli population.

Google

Your argument relies on the misconception that all Jews were forced into diaspora when Rome came and blew the house down. That's not how it was. Jews still remained in the land after the fact. They didn't suddenly disappear and then reappear 1,800 years later demanding their land back, it was always theirs to begin with, and has been for 3700 years, this means their claim predates Christianity by about a millennium or so.
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You are quite right, the overwhelming majority of Judeans stayed put, the Romans only attempted to destroy the Jerusalem cult by removing the religious fanatics and rebels that fought against them. Judeans became Palestinians when the Romans renamed the province and over time followed Judean and other types of monotheism along with the more traditional polytheistic pagan religions. 2-300 years later these people converted to Christianity and remained Christian in one form or another until the Roman Persian wars of the 7th century C.E. When both Rome and Persia had exhausted themselves the Arabs walked in and took over and by the 10th Century C.E. these people had largely converted to Islam. They remained Muslim regardless of which ruling dynasty took over Crusader/Mameluk/Ottoman until the 20th century C.E. when a bunch of Jewish nationalist irridentists in Europe decided it would be a good idea to "claim a homeland" they never had and establish a Zionist state by expelling or slaughtering the native descendants of the Judeans, the Palestinians.

Do you want to cite the source you got that from?

Happy to, just after you prove "The Tel Dan inscription is definitive proof of the existence of King David."

 

[Challenger]

None of this happy horseshit makes any difference whatsoever.

The Jews captured Jerusalem during their early wars with the Canaanites and kept it for over a thousand years before losing it, given an intermission or two.

The Muslims captured Jerusalem during their early wars with the Eastern Roman Empire and kept it for over a thousand years before losing it, given an intermission or two.

The author H.G. Wells, in his "Outline of History", described control of the Holy Land as being like having one's living room in the middle of a busy four-lane highway.

States and empires and kingdoms controlling the region come and go, when viewed at the macro-level, rather like someone merely changing socks.

The Jews have returned, and now hold the pink-slip (deed-title) to the place - a prize of war, after the Arabs nudged the Israelis into war in 1967.

The biggest (truthful) objection is that the Muslims just don't like losing territory.

Tough shit.

Learn to live with it.

It's what happens at the end of a centuries-long multi-generational slide into degeneracy and military and political impotency.

It's your turn in the barrel.

Enjoy.

It's your turn in the barrel.

Enjoy.

No doubt, but the wheel of history is still turning and the fat lady hasn't begun singing yet.

 

[Challenger]

Judeans became Palestinians when the Romans renamed the province

That was an attempt by the Roman Empire to disassociate the Jews from their native homeland of Israel. This seems to be the crux of your argument, and a purposeful mischaracterization of history. It proves no link by "Palestinians" to the land of Judea, or for that matter, to the Canaanites.

I'll recite the link I gave to you this morning:

"There is no archaeological evidence to support the claim of Jebusite-Arab-Palestinian continuity. Eric Cline, an associate professor of Semitic languages and literatures at George Washington University, cites general consensus among historians and archeologists that modern Palestinians are "more closely related to the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, and other countries"[35] than the Jebusites of the ancient world. Assimilation, annihilation, and acculturation undercut any significant connection between Jebusites and modern Palestinians.[36]"

That was an attempt by the Roman Empire to disassociate the Jews from their native homeland of Israel.

No, that was an attempt by Rome to eradicate what was left of the Jerusalem temple cult and their blasphemous religion.

Clarify what you mean by "Jerusalem temple cult and their blasphemous religion."

What the Romans thought about the Judean monotheistic religious cult centered around the Jerusalem Temple; blasphemous because it refused to acknowledge other Gods or the divinity of the Emperor.

 

[Challenger]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

You said the land belonged to Christians long before it belonged to the Jews?

Are you really that stupid? Christianity CAME FROM JUDAISM.

Did it? There's an argument to be made that Judaism had little to do with Christianity, although they do have links in common. The "Judaism" of the Temple cult was prevalent in Judea during the alleged time of Jesus, who preached against the Temple cult who subsequently had him murdered. His disciples however, acquired goyim converts who had nothing to do with Temple Judaism and by the second century C.E. Temple Judaism was extinct (replaced by Rabbinical Judaism). Over the same period Christianity, as it came to be called, under the influence of the converts had evolved into a completely new religion. It's perhaps fair to say that Temple "Judaism spawned two main off shoots, rather than one religion came from another.

 

[ogibillm]

Somehow Monte thinks that just because the Palestinians share genes with the Jews that somehow, perhaps, that Jerusalem belongs to them.

Rofl.

Is that any more silly than believing an old rock matters?

Then you have just admitted that you don't want any historical link between the Jews and the temple mount to be found because it blows apart your whole POV. If that old rock proved that mo'mad travelled to Jerusalem and through time you would be pushing it for all it was worth.

Im saying i don't give a shit what rock is found, it's irrelevant to today.

 

[Indeependent]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

You said the land belonged to Christians long before it belonged to the Jews?

Are you really that stupid? Christianity CAME FROM JUDAISM.

Did it? There's an argument to be made that Judaism had little to do with Christianity, although they do have links in common. The "Judaism" of the Temple cult was prevalent in Judea during the alleged time of Jesus, who preached against the Temple cult who subsequently had him murdered. His disciples however, acquired goyim converts who had nothing to do with Temple Judaism and by the second century C.E. Temple Judaism was extinct (replaced by Rabbinical Judaism). Over the same period Christianity, as it came to be called, under the influence of the converts had evolved into a completely new religion. It's perhaps fair to say that Temple "Judaism spawned two main off shoots, rather than one religion came from another.

Is that why Saint Peter spoke Hebrew, was kosher and observed Shabbos?
In other words, you are reciting bull shit revised history.

 

[montelatici]

St.Peter's first language was Aramaic as was Jesus's.

As to kosher and sabbath:

"Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter's vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, 'What God has made clean, do not call common.' In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding,"

Peter's vision of a sheet with animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Colossians 2:16

Let No One Disqualify You
Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

 

[Challenger]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

You said the land belonged to Christians long before it belonged to the Jews?

Are you really that stupid? Christianity CAME FROM JUDAISM.

Did it? There's an argument to be made that Judaism had little to do with Christianity, although they do have links in common. The "Judaism" of the Temple cult was prevalent in Judea during the alleged time of Jesus, who preached against the Temple cult who subsequently had him murdered. His disciples however, acquired goyim converts who had nothing to do with Temple Judaism and by the second century C.E. Temple Judaism was extinct (replaced by Rabbinical Judaism). Over the same period Christianity, as it came to be called, under the influence of the converts had evolved into a completely new religion. It's perhaps fair to say that Temple "Judaism spawned two main off shoots, rather than one religion came from another.

Is that why Saint Peter spoke Hebrew, was kosher and observed Shabbos?
In other words, you are reciting bull shit revised history.

Did he? How do you know?

 

[Indeependent]

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

You said the land belonged to Christians long before it belonged to the Jews?

Are you really that stupid? Christianity CAME FROM JUDAISM.

Did it? There's an argument to be made that Judaism had little to do with Christianity, although they do have links in common. The "Judaism" of the Temple cult was prevalent in Judea during the alleged time of Jesus, who preached against the Temple cult who subsequently had him murdered. His disciples however, acquired goyim converts who had nothing to do with Temple Judaism and by the second century C.E. Temple Judaism was extinct (replaced by Rabbinical Judaism). Over the same period Christianity, as it came to be called, under the influence of the converts had evolved into a completely new religion. It's perhaps fair to say that Temple "Judaism spawned two main off shoots, rather than one religion came from another.

Is that why Saint Peter spoke Hebrew, was kosher and observed Shabbos?
In other words, you are reciting bull shit revised history.

Did he? How do you know?

The Book of James...the earliest chronological book in TNT.
I thought you knew everything!

 

[Challenger]

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

You said the land belonged to Christians long before it belonged to the Jews?

Are you really that stupid? Christianity CAME FROM JUDAISM.

Did it? There's an argument to be made that Judaism had little to do with Christianity, although they do have links in common. The "Judaism" of the Temple cult was prevalent in Judea during the alleged time of Jesus, who preached against the Temple cult who subsequently had him murdered. His disciples however, acquired goyim converts who had nothing to do with Temple Judaism and by the second century C.E. Temple Judaism was extinct (replaced by Rabbinical Judaism). Over the same period Christianity, as it came to be called, under the influence of the converts had evolved into a completely new religion. It's perhaps fair to say that Temple "Judaism spawned two main off shoots, rather than one religion came from another.

Is that why Saint Peter spoke Hebrew, was kosher and observed Shabbos?
In other words, you are reciting bull shit revised history.

Did he? How do you know?

The Book of James...the earliest chronological book in TNT.
I thought you knew everything!

A book of fairy stories, is that it? I'll take that as an emphatic, "I don't know" from Indeependant. Care to point out where James comments on Peter's lifestyle choices?

 

[Indeependent]

You said the land belonged to Christians long before it belonged to the Jews?

Are you really that stupid? Christianity CAME FROM JUDAISM.

Did it? There's an argument to be made that Judaism had little to do with Christianity, although they do have links in common. The "Judaism" of the Temple cult was prevalent in Judea during the alleged time of Jesus, who preached against the Temple cult who subsequently had him murdered. His disciples however, acquired goyim converts who had nothing to do with Temple Judaism and by the second century C.E. Temple Judaism was extinct (replaced by Rabbinical Judaism). Over the same period Christianity, as it came to be called, under the influence of the converts had evolved into a completely new religion. It's perhaps fair to say that Temple "Judaism spawned two main off shoots, rather than one religion came from another.

Is that why Saint Peter spoke Hebrew, was kosher and observed Shabbos?
In other words, you are reciting bull shit revised history.

Did he? How do you know?

The Book of James...the earliest chronological book in TNT.
I thought you knew everything!

A book of fairy stories, is that it? I'll take that as an emphatic, "I don't know" from Indeependant.

I presume you are not Christian.

 

[Challenger]

Did it? There's an argument to be made that Judaism had little to do with Christianity, although they do have links in common. The "Judaism" of the Temple cult was prevalent in Judea during the alleged time of Jesus, who preached against the Temple cult who subsequently had him murdered. His disciples however, acquired goyim converts who had nothing to do with Temple Judaism and by the second century C.E. Temple Judaism was extinct (replaced by Rabbinical Judaism). Over the same period Christianity, as it came to be called, under the influence of the converts had evolved into a completely new religion. It's perhaps fair to say that Temple "Judaism spawned two main off shoots, rather than one religion came from another.

Is that why Saint Peter spoke Hebrew, was kosher and observed Shabbos?
In other words, you are reciting bull shit revised history.

Did he? How do you know?

The Book of James...the earliest chronological book in TNT.
I thought you knew everything!

A book of fairy stories, is that it? I'll take that as an emphatic, "I don't know" from Indeependant.

I presume you are not Christian.

Humanist.

 

[Indeependent]

Is that why Saint Peter spoke Hebrew, was kosher and observed Shabbos?
In other words, you are reciting bull shit revised history.

Did he? How do you know?

The Book of James...the earliest chronological book in TNT.
I thought you knew everything!

A book of fairy stories, is that it? I'll take that as an emphatic, "I don't know" from Indeependant.

I presume you are not Christian.

Humanist.

A Humanist who doesn't post on the issue of mass murders by Muslims?
Let's try that again.

 

[montelatici]

Some Muslims mass murder, some Christians mass murder, some Jews mass murder, some Hindus mass murder, some Buddhists mass murder and some Atheists mass murder.

Why obsess on the Muslim variety?

 

[Indeependent]

Some Muslims mass murder, some Christians mass murder, some Jews mass murder, some Hindus mass murder, some Buddhists mass murder and some Atheists mass murder.

Why obsess on the Muslim variety?

Sure, Muzzi, sure.
Any more straw men in that basket?

 

[montelatici]

If you don't want to answer the question, punk, then don't answer. R.C. here. both Islam and Judaism are crap cults to me.