Discovery of stone seal from the time of King David proves Jewish roots to Jerusalem

[TemplarKormac]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

You said the land belonged to Christians long before it belonged to the Jews?

Are you really that stupid? Christianity CAME FROM JUDAISM.

I was just waiting for someone to point that out.

 

[montelatici]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

You said the land belonged to Christians long before it belonged to the Jews?

Are you really that stupid? Christianity CAME FROM JUDAISM.

No you are really that stupid. You lack a minimal level of reading comprehension. What I said was, and I quote:

"The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership."

 

[montelatici]

Judeans became Palestinians when the Romans renamed the province

That was an attempt by the Roman Empire to disassociate the Jews from their native homeland of Israel. This seems to be the crux of your argument, and a purposeful mischaracterization of history. It proves no link by "Palestinians" to the land of Judea, or for that matter, to the Canaanites.

I'll recite the link I gave to you this morning:

"There is no archaeological evidence to support the claim of Jebusite-Arab-Palestinian continuity. Eric Cline, an associate professor of Semitic languages and literatures at George Washington University, cites general consensus among historians and archeologists that modern Palestinians are "more closely related to the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, and other countries"[35] than the Jebusites of the ancient world. Assimilation, annihilation, and acculturation undercut any significant connection between Jebusites and modern Palestinians.[36]"

There is only Zionist propaganda, no general consensus you brainwashed monkey.

"Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European"
Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism..."

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

As far as real Jews from the Middle East:

"Palestinians, Jews share common genetic lineage"

“The closest genetic neighbors to most Jewish groups were the Palestinians, Israeli Bedouins, and Druze in addition to the Southern Europeans, including Cypriots,” as Ostrer and Skorecki wrote in a review of their findings that they co-authored in the journal Human Genetics in October 2012."

Palestinians, Jews share common genetic lineage | Genetic Literacy Project

 

[flacaltenn]

I look for TemplarKormac, or more accurately his mom, to give up their home and propert if an arrowhead is found nearby

See? See? You can't even address the topic!

I am a Native American partly by blood. If I find an arrowhead here, it will only confirm my roots to this land.

So **** off.

Sure you are. Not the point really. Just pointing out that if a rock from thousands of years ago can give someone the right to displace someone else most of us on this continent are in trouble

What gets you run over by the Mack Truck of History -- is not ancient claims to the land. But a general inability to comprehend how to communicate, organize, and persuade to RETAIN that land. Tribal organizations/conflict, lack of general governance -- an outdated and unrealistic view of the world around you, and a HUGE gap in values, and ambitions ---- is gonna put you at a severe disadvantage. Every time. For the American Indians, the "invaders" might have just as well arrived in spacecraft.

Maybe ---- we'll have to face that someday. If some alien task force produces a rock with a seal on it that claims their ancestors were here when the dinosaurs roamed...

 

[TemplarKormac]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

You said the land belonged to Christians long before it belonged to the Jews?

Are you really that stupid? Christianity CAME FROM JUDAISM.

No you are really that stupid. You lack a minimal level of reading comprehension. What I said was, and I quote:

"The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership."

How? Lets see the math, genius.

 

[montelatici]

The blacks in South Africa figured out how to overcome their "severe disadvantage". In Rhodesia too, but the white Rhodesians were too stubborn and were virtually eliminated. Demographics are a *****.

 

[Indeependent]

The Middle East was redefined after WWI.
Of course, the Muslims were already murdering each other for a millnea.
So what new with you?

 

[montelatici]

After you learn to spell millennia. When were Muslims murdering themselves any more than Christians?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Somehow Monte thinks that just because the Palestinians share genes with the Jews that somehow, perhaps, that Jerusalem belongs to them.

Rofl.

 

[Indeependent]

After you learn to spell millennia. When were Muslims murdering themselves any more than Christians?

As long as you agree Muslims are murdering scum.
That's all I wanted from you...thanks!

 

[flacaltenn]

The blacks in South Africa figured out how to overcome their "severe disadvantage". In Rhodesia too, but the white Rhodesians were too stubborn and were virtually eliminated. Demographics are a *****.

The blacks in South Africa had Nelson Mandela. That's their secret weapon. Who's the Mandela for the Palis???

 

[ogibillm]

Somehow Monte thinks that just because the Palestinians share genes with the Jews that somehow, perhaps, that Jerusalem belongs to them.

Rofl.

Is that any more silly than believing an old rock matters?

 

[Indeependent]

Somehow Monte thinks that just because the Palestinians share genes with the Jews that somehow, perhaps, that Jerusalem belongs to them.

Rofl.

Is that any more silly than believing an old rock matters?

Yep, Shiites and Sunis murdering each other for being...well,...Shiites and Sunis.

 

[flacaltenn]

The blacks in South Africa figured out how to overcome their "severe disadvantage". In Rhodesia too, but the white Rhodesians were too stubborn and were virtually eliminated. Demographics are a *****.

Yep... What a glorious success Zimbawe is.. MUCH snarkier name than Rhodesia ain't it?

MUCH better to have corrupt patronage and lose your total economy to ineptitude and greed. There's a lesson there somewhere. And it's got NOTHING to do with gaining "freedom"..

 

[Challenger]

Judeans became Palestinians when the Romans renamed the province

That was an attempt by the Roman Empire to disassociate the Jews from their native homeland of Israel. This seems to be the crux of your argument, and a purposeful mischaracterization of history. It proves no link by "Palestinians" to the land of Judea, or for that matter, to the Canaanites.

I'll recite the link I gave to you this morning:

"There is no archaeological evidence to support the claim of Jebusite-Arab-Palestinian continuity. Eric Cline, an associate professor of Semitic languages and literatures at George Washington University, cites general consensus among historians and archeologists that modern Palestinians are "more closely related to the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, and other countries"[35] than the Jebusites of the ancient world. Assimilation, annihilation, and acculturation undercut any significant connection between Jebusites and modern Palestinians.[36]"

That was an attempt by the Roman Empire to disassociate the Jews from their native homeland of Israel.

No, that was an attempt by Rome to eradicate what was left of the Jerusalem temple cult and their blasphemous religion. Israel did not exist in 135C.E. (if it had ever existed before then) "Judeans" became "Palestinians" when the province was renamed. That said in those days there were no "nations" as we know them today, and Judeans/Palestinians followed whatever religion suited them best individually. While Rome was in charge most followed the Greco-Roman pantheon, while a few opted for whichever local mono or poly-theist cult was closest to them.

 

[Challenger]

The blacks in South Africa figured out how to overcome their "severe disadvantage". In Rhodesia too, but the white Rhodesians were too stubborn and were virtually eliminated. Demographics are a *****.

Yep... What a glorious success Zimbawe is.. MUCH snarkier name than Rhodesia ain't it?

MUCH better to have corrupt patronage and lose your total economy to ineptitude and greed. There's a lesson there somewhere. And it's got NOTHING to do with gaining "freedom"..

At least they were free to make their own choices and their own mistakes, rather than being subjugated by foreigners who kept the wealth for themselves. Corrupt patronage is no stranger to American or European politics is it?

 

[Kondor3]

None of this happy horseshit makes any difference whatsoever.

The Jews captured Jerusalem during their early wars with the Canaanites and kept it for over a thousand years before losing it, given an intermission or two.

The Muslims captured Jerusalem during their early wars with the Eastern Roman Empire and kept it for over a thousand years before losing it, given an intermission or two.

The author H.G. Wells, in his "Outline of History", described control of the Holy Land as being like having one's living room in the middle of a busy four-lane highway.

States and empires and kingdoms controlling the region come and go, when viewed at the macro-level, rather like someone merely changing socks.

The Jews have returned, and now hold the pink-slip (deed-title) to the place - a prize of war, after the Arabs nudged the Israelis into war in 1967.

The biggest (truthful) objection is that the Muslims just don't like losing territory.

Tough shit.

Learn to live with it.

It's what happens at the end of a centuries-long multi-generational slide into degeneracy and military and political impotency.

It's your turn in the barrel.

Enjoy.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Judeans became Palestinians when the Romans renamed the province

That was an attempt by the Roman Empire to disassociate the Jews from their native homeland of Israel. This seems to be the crux of your argument, and a purposeful mischaracterization of history. It proves no link by "Palestinians" to the land of Judea, or for that matter, to the Canaanites.

I'll recite the link I gave to you this morning:

"There is no archaeological evidence to support the claim of Jebusite-Arab-Palestinian continuity. Eric Cline, an associate professor of Semitic languages and literatures at George Washington University, cites general consensus among historians and archeologists that modern Palestinians are "more closely related to the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, and other countries"[35] than the Jebusites of the ancient world. Assimilation, annihilation, and acculturation undercut any significant connection between Jebusites and modern Palestinians.[36]"

That was an attempt by the Roman Empire to disassociate the Jews from their native homeland of Israel.

No, that was an attempt by Rome to eradicate what was left of the Jerusalem temple cult and their blasphemous religion.

Clarify what you mean by "Jerusalem temple cult and their blasphemous religion."

 

[Phoenall]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

You said the land belonged to Christians long before it belonged to the Jews?

Are you really that stupid? Christianity CAME FROM JUDAISM.

Christianity is not that much older than islam with only 300 years separating the two.

 

[Phoenall]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

You said the land belonged to Christians long before it belonged to the Jews?

Are you really that stupid? Christianity CAME FROM JUDAISM.

No you are really that stupid. You lack a minimal level of reading comprehension. What I said was, and I quote:

"The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership."

Which is a lie as the Christians owned it for only a short period of time about 100 years. Rome was lucky to own it for 400 years. The Jews owned it for 2,000 years at least.