Discovery of stone seal from the time of King David proves Jewish roots to Jerusalem

[Delta4Embassy]

http://www.biu.ac.il/js/rennert/history_2.html

"History of Jerusalem from Its Beginning to David

Over a million years ago elephants, rhinoceros, giraffes, water buffaloes and other animals now extinct here roamed the Judean Hills. In Bethlehem remains of some of these animals, thought to be 1.4-1.8 million years old, were found cut apart. These finds are the earliest signs of human existence near Jerusalem. 48 sites with stone implements have been discovered, most of them Paleolithic; as well as 23 Neolithic sites, near Jerusalem. The early dwellers around Jerusalem were hunter-gatherers living in forest-covered hills.

Jericho, 35 kilometers from Jerusalem, is thought to be the oldest city in the world. Some 7-8,000 years ago in Jericho, for the first time in history, people began to farm and settle down in one location permanently."

Judaism's no more than about 4,000 years old. If Jerusalem 'belongs' to someone it damn sure isn't the Jews. Or the Arabs, or any other johnny-come-lately religious group.

 

[Challenger]

The Tel Dan inscription is definitive proof of the existence of King David.

No it isn't.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

Well, citing a Muslim perspective on the topic just destroyed your credibility on the subject, not to mention your math is terrible, seeing as how Jews comprise 75% of the Israeli population.

Google

Your argument relies on the misconception that all Jews were forced into diaspora when Rome came and blew the house down. That's not how it was. Jews still remained in the land after the fact. They didn't suddenly disappear and then reappear 1,800 years later demanding their land back, it was always theirs to begin with, and has been for 3700 years, this means their claim predates Christianity by about a millennium or so.
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[TemplarKormac]

The Tel Dan inscription is definitive proof of the existence of King David.

No it isn't.

Yes it is.

 

[Challenger]

The Tel Dan inscription is definitive proof of the existence of King David.

No it isn't.

Yes it is.

Prove it.

 

[montelatici]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

Well, citing a Muslim perspective on the topic just destroyed your credibility on the subject, not to mention your math is terrible, seeing as how Jews comprise 75% of the Israeli population.

Google

Your argument relies on the misconception that all Jews were forced into diaspora when Rome came and blew the house down. That's not how it was. Jews still remained in the land after the fact. They didn't suddenly disappear and then reappear 1,800 years later demanding their land back, it was always theirs to begin with, and has been for 3700 years, this means their claim predates Christianity by about a millennium or so.
.

Well, just saying that my credibility is lost, sounds like the "lady doth protest too much". Besides, it was the Christian perspective I was citing.

By the way your reading comprehension is a bit suspect. Non-Jews are the majority in the land Israel's Jews have control over. As the "Forward" article I linked confirms.

"....it turns out that Jews are now (as of Rosh Hashanah) outnumbered by Arabs under Israeli sovereignty by a grand total of 50,827. So the question is no longer whether or when the Jewish state will feature a minority ruling a majority. The question now is what to do about it...."

Read more: Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories - Opinion

You see, we have had the opportunity to debunk nearly all of the propaganda you Zionists have tried to force feed the American public on.

There were no Jews to speak of in Palestine prior to the Zionist invasion.

Beyond citing partisan Zionist sources such as the Jewish Virtual Library, which states:

"The Romans then destroyedJerusalem, annexed Judaea as a Roman province, and systematically drove the Jews from Palestine. After 73 AD, Hebrew history would only be the history of the Diaspora as the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe."

The Diaspora | Jewish Virtual Library

This is confirmed by official governmental (contemporaneous) reports available in the UN archives, such as the first report of the Mandatory issued in 1921 which states that prior to the Zionist invasion there were just a handful of Jews in Palestine.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. -

See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

 

[Challenger]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

Well, citing a Muslim perspective on the topic just destroyed your credibility on the subject, not to mention your math is terrible, seeing as how Jews comprise 75% of the Israeli population.

Google

Your argument relies on the misconception that all Jews were forced into diaspora when Rome came and blew the house down. That's not how it was. Jews still remained in the land after the fact. They didn't suddenly disappear and then reappear 1,800 years later demanding their land back, it was always theirs to begin with, and has been for 3700 years, this means their claim predates Christianity by about a millennium or so.
.

You are quite right, the overwhelming majority of Judeans stayed put, the Romans only attempted to destroy the Jerusalem cult by removing the religious fanatics and rebels that fought against them. Judeans became Palestinians when the Romans renamed the province and over time followed Judean and other types of monotheism along with the more traditional polytheistic pagan religions. 2-300 years later these people converted to Christianity and remained Christian in one form or another until the Roman Persian wars of the 7th century C.E. When both Rome and Persia had exhausted themselves the Arabs walked in and took over and by the 10th Century C.E. these people had largely converted to Islam. They remained Muslim regardless of which ruling dynasty took over Crusader/Mameluk/Ottoman until the 20th century C.E. when a bunch of Jewish nationalist irridentists in Europe decided it would be a good idea to "claim a homeland" they never had and establish a Zionist state by expelling or slaughtering the native descendants of the Judeans, the Palestinians.

 

[Penelope]

always amazes me the amount of atheist, and anti semites this forum has

Nothing to do with anti Semites or atheist, but with lies.

 

[ogibillm]

When will TemplarKormac the native American demand his neighbor's land and property?

 

[fanger]

And here it is.......

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The biblical archaeological society... no way there's any confirmation bias going on there

Just what I was thinking.

That's the danger here - "discoveries" influenced by agenda.

That and people like tk see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe.

A while back someone here posted "proof" that humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time. Amazingly, that poster stated she believed it to be true.

Dinosaurs in ancient Cambodian temple

 

[Luddly Neddite]

When will TemplarKormac the native American demand his neighbor's land and property?

Oh so tempting.

SO tempting.

But, too easy so I'll just say ... he doesn't need to.

 

[montelatici]

"With a large part of Indigenous nations’ territories and resources in what is now the United States taken through aggressive war, outright theft, and legislative appropriations, Native peoples have vast claims to reparations and restitution. .....The U.S. government has acknowledged some of these claims and has offered monetary compensation. However, since the upsurge of Indian rights movements in the 1960s, Indigenous nations have demanded restoration of treaty-guaranteed land rather than monetary compensation."

Land Claims: An Indigenous People’s History of the United States

 

[Phoenall]

Actually it proves nothing, and actually I'm sure Israel is going to come up with all kinds of fake proof that the fable of David and Sol were real.

In other words you have been found wanting and so you ignore the evidence in case it alters your POV

 

[Phoenall]

Actually it proves nothing, and actually I'm sure Israel is going to come up with all kinds of fake proof that the fable of David and Sol were real.

That's "Saul" to you. Please, show us how more uneducated you can be about Jewish history.

Yes no proof of Saul, Abraham, Isaac or Jacob as well. No proof of Moses , or proof of anything as depicted in the Hebrew bible. And please, no sol, no temple , am I right. So that is what they want proof of, that the temple mount is theirs. No King David, no Sol.

Then this means there is no allah or islam as that is the foundation stone of mo'mads new cult the existence of Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and a whole host of other Jewish prophets

 

[Phoenall]

To settle the argument send in the British Time Team to unearth the truth. these are a group of professional archaeologists that travel the world looking for evidence of anything linking to times past. From 18C china works to Neolithic round houses, from the first settlement in the US to the first muslims in spain

 

[TemplarKormac]

The Tel Dan inscription is definitive proof of the existence of King David.

No it isn't.

Yes it is.

Prove it.

I already did.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

Well, citing a Muslim perspective on the topic just destroyed your credibility on the subject, not to mention your math is terrible, seeing as how Jews comprise 75% of the Israeli population.

Google

Your argument relies on the misconception that all Jews were forced into diaspora when Rome came and blew the house down. That's not how it was. Jews still remained in the land after the fact. They didn't suddenly disappear and then reappear 1,800 years later demanding their land back, it was always theirs to begin with, and has been for 3700 years, this means their claim predates Christianity by about a millennium or so.
.

You are quite right, the overwhelming majority of Judeans stayed put, the Romans only attempted to destroy the Jerusalem cult by removing the religious fanatics and rebels that fought against them. Judeans became Palestinians when the Romans renamed the province and over time followed Judean and other types of monotheism along with the more traditional polytheistic pagan religions. 2-300 years later these people converted to Christianity and remained Christian in one form or another until the Roman Persian wars of the 7th century C.E. When both Rome and Persia had exhausted themselves the Arabs walked in and took over and by the 10th Century C.E. these people had largely converted to Islam. They remained Muslim regardless of which ruling dynasty took over Crusader/Mameluk/Ottoman until the 20th century C.E. when a bunch of Jewish nationalist irridentists in Europe decided it would be a good idea to "claim a homeland" they never had and establish a Zionist state by expelling or slaughtering the native descendants of the Judeans, the Palestinians.

Do you want to cite the source you got that from?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Judeans became Palestinians when the Romans renamed the province

That was an attempt by the Roman Empire to disassociate the Jews from their native homeland of Israel. This seems to be the crux of your argument, and a purposeful mischaracterization of history. It proves no link by "Palestinians" to the land of Judea, or for that matter, to the Canaanites.

I'll recite the link I gave to you this morning:

"There is no archaeological evidence to support the claim of Jebusite-Arab-Palestinian continuity. Eric Cline, an associate professor of Semitic languages and literatures at George Washington University, cites general consensus among historians and archeologists that modern Palestinians are "more closely related to the Arabs of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, and other countries"[35] than the Jebusites of the ancient world. Assimilation, annihilation, and acculturation undercut any significant connection between Jebusites and modern Palestinians.[36]"

 

[ABikerSailor]

Even the Jews can't deny that Jerusalem was not Jewish, it was a Canaanite city, and was originally called Jebus. Their bible says as much. The Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event.

So this is much ado about nothing.

Predictably, you all fall back to the annihilation of the Jebusites to try and discredit the idea that Jerusalem actually belongs to Israel.

When you conquer something, it becomes yours. That land is Jewish, and it always will be.

The land belonged to Christians far longer than it belonged to Jews, not mention centuries of non-Christian Roman ownership.

No, the land will revert to the local people soon enough. Demographics will see to that. Christian rule of Palestine through the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem lasted 192 years. Jewish rule will not last half of that.


Jews Now Minority in Israel and Territories
Palestine-Israel Journal: <b>The Significance of Jerusalem: A Muslim Perspective</b>

You said the land belonged to Christians long before it belonged to the Jews?

Are you really that stupid? Christianity CAME FROM JUDAISM.