Discipline

[Unkotare]

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After a few trips to the principal's office, detention, some suspensions, and no change in behavior, it is likely time to give up on a disruptive student and let the parents find a more suitable environment for him/her.
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That's what happens now.

 

[Unkotare]

Mark Twain satirized the results of all Tom Sawyer's reading.

Another point missed.

 

[Foxfyre]

That's what happens now.

Is it? Putting my post into its full context, which you dishonestly did not, your OP would suggest you strongly disapprove of that.

 

[Unkotare]

Spare the Rod, and the Child Thinks He's God

School thugs (homo erectus species) only pay attention to physical force.

YOU had better stay away from schools. Oh wait, clearly you always have.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Never contradict the midshipman, he knows ALL! Just ask him.

I was a midshipman 1979-1984, thank you. Now, I am just a retiree with a lot of varied experience. But I do appreciate the compliment!

 

[Unkotare]

Is it? ...

It is. If you had read the whole thread you would know that the school chronically, criminally problem students get sent to in my district is where I taught for years.

 

[Unkotare]

...your OP would suggest you strongly disapprove of that.

You didn't even read the beginning of the OP, did you?

 

[Unkotare]

I came across this article on one of the educators feeds I constantly get in my inbox. Bear in mind these are NOT my words or my opinion...

OP ^^^

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

that would require a 2 part solution ..

1st
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You ever hit a 300-pound offensive lineman with a paddle? Tasers don't even work half the time!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We were set apart because back then

Disruptive kids were suspended or expelled

So how long were you suspended and when did they expel you?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We are 465th place in academia globally.
Here is #1. Disciplined can be achieved, so learning can proceed. Here is the headline that accompanies these pictures:
SINGAPORE — Not only are they tops in the world in literacy and numeracy, Singapore’s students are best able to work with one another to solve problems, the triennial Programme for International Student Assessment (Pisa) has found.

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Are you terminally stupid or still working on it? 465th place? Where did you come up with that? Did you not get an education and now you are pissed because you wasted the opportunity?

Let's a see a link to that figure! If you don't, we will confirm you are a massive idiot.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Describe "disruptive."

I had a kid that he would probably call disruptive while teaching in a rural high school in Kentucky. He was in my math class and performed the services of the class clown. He just loved the attention. We had an adversarial relationship throughout my time there. The bad part is that he was actually very funny and I had to fight to maintain control of the class.

Fast forward, to a couple of years back. My daughter was serving as a paramedic in a neighboring county and was assigned a new partner, She was very impressed with him and told me he was her regular EMT assigned to her crew.
They worked together about 2 years. One day, he happened to look at her Facebook profile which had her maiden name. She asked her if she knew anyone who had been a teacher at his high school. She said that I had worked there for three years. He said your dad was my math teacher! One day I was visiting, and they had to make a run by the local hospital and stopped by on the way back to the neighboring county and I got to see him again. He thanked me for my discipline that kept him working towards his education. He had a wife and a newborn baby that he said he never would have had if I hadn't set him on the right path. I was floored!

 

[iamwhatiseem]

If an aircraft mechanic started a thread about aircraft mechanics, I would not jump in pretending I knew better than him about aircraft repair.

Yeah but you are not. You are a teacher. This doesn't mean you have a higher knowledge of children than parents do. Or what works with them, or what doesn't.
The U.S. Education system, as a whole, is a complete disaster.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Are you terminally stupid or still working on it? 465th place? Where did you come up with that? Did you not get an education and now you are pissed because you wasted the opportunity?

Let's a see a link to that figure! If you don't, we will confirm you are a massive idiot.

My education was stellar, and here is who provided the information, you nasty little piece of work.

The Program for International Student Assessment (PISA), coordinated by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), has measured the performance of 15-year-old students in reading, mathematics, and science literacy every 3 years since 2000, except for a 1-year delay in the current cycle (from 2021 to 2022) due to the coronavirus pandemic. In 2022, PISA was administered in 81 countries and education systems, including 37 member countries of the OECD.

If you weren't so busy attacking the posters here, you would have already seen the link to that figure.

Fast Facts: International comparisons of achievement (1)

The NCES Fast Facts Tool provides quick answers to many education questions (National Center for Education Statistics). Get answers on Early Childhood Education, Elementary and Secondary Education and Higher Education here.

nces.ed.gov

Grow up...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yeah but you are not. You are a teacher. This doesn't mean you have a higher knowledge of children than parents do. Or what works with them, or what doesn't.
The U.S. Education system, as a whole, is a complete disaster.

Oh, but we do! I had a parent tell me their daughter was a lesbian and needed special treatment. Our entire staff in the meeting were amazed when we informed her that she had to constantly be reminded about kissing her boyfriend in the hallway between classes! I was the assistant principal at the time and had that girl in my class the year before! So yes, we do know the kids better than some parents!

That is what parent-teacher conferences are for when a student is not performing. But you knew that, didn't you?

 

[Foxfyre]

It is. If you had read the whole thread you would know that the school chronically, criminally problem students get sent to in my district is where I taught for years.

So why does your district accept them? Why do you teachers put up with it?

 

[Foxfyre]

You didn't even read the beginning of the OP, did you?

I read the whole OP. You didn't make clear what was the quoted material and what was your own opinion.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My education was stellar, and here is who provided the information, you nasty little piece of work.

The Program for International Student Assessment (PISA), coordinated by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), has measured the performance of 15-year-old students in reading, mathematics, and science literacy every 3 years since 2000, except for a 1-year delay in the current cycle (from 2021 to 2022) due to the coronavirus pandemic. In 2022, PISA was administered in 81 countries and education systems, including 37 member countries of the OECD.

If you weren't so busy attacking the posters here, you would have already seen the link to that figure.

Fast Facts: International comparisons of achievement (1)

The NCES Fast Facts Tool provides quick answers to many education questions (National Center for Education Statistics). Get answers on Early Childhood Education, Elementary and Secondary Education and Higher Education here.

nces.ed.gov

Grow up...

You education was apparently poor since you didn't not provide a link to that information. I am very familiar with that testing program, and you are obviously not, because a ranking of 465 is impossible.

Nice deflection, but an epic failure on your part once again.

 

[Foxfyre]

OP ^^^

You didn't make clear what was your opinion and what was the quoted material in our OP though.

 

[Unkotare]

You ever hit a 300-pound offensive lineman with a paddle? Tasers don't even work half the time!

I can agree with that from personal experience, but no paddle or taser.