Discipline

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Maybe a view from a non teacher is what's needed... My assistant coach is a biology teacher and a very good friend... guess what.... he and many more teachers agree with me...

What does he agree with you about? All I see you post is ignorant observations from the outside! Did you mean that you agree with him on something? You don't get to decide.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The principal that hired me as his assistant told me the percentages were 5-10-85 and I think he was right. 85% of the kids will never cause you a problem at all. 10 percent of the kids will get into trouble once, learn their lesson and straighten up. There are 5% of kids that are better off doing something else than trying to get an education. They are irredeemable.

My experience said he was right.

A 16-year-old student who was in second freshman year with absolutely no credits (failed every class) was also suspected of dealing drugs. I kicked him out of school. Later, after I left the school, the newer principal let him back in. Three months into the fall term, he was sexually harassing a female student. It got so bad he was harassing her at her apartment complex where she lived under the custody of the much older brother. The brother warned him off and when that didn't take, he shot and killed him with his hunting rifle. That kid was a perfect example of that 5%, and it got him dead.

 

[Paleman]

I came across this article on one of the educators feeds I constantly get in my inbox. Bear in mind these are NOT my words or my opinion, though I do agree with some of it to some degree. The author is obviously a drama queen feeling self-righteous. It may come across as "touchy feely" to those with no experience in a highly challenging urban school environment. Again, not my words.



"I’m fed up. Honestly, I’ve had it with the old-school crowd on X preaching the same tired nonsense about “removing disruptive kids” and keeping the “good kids” away from them.

Just this week, I read posts that made me want to throw my coffee across the room:





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This is old-school education thinking at its worst—segregating kids, labeling them as “bad,” and pretending academics can thrive in a vacuum without addressing emotional needs. And I’m done being polite about it.

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Old-School Discipline Hurts Everyone​

Isolating students doesn’t just fail the so-called “disruptive” kids—it fails every child in the classroom.

Here’s why:

1. It destroys belonging.
   When we remove students, we tell them they don’t belong. And when kids don’t feel like they belong, they stop caring. Period. They stop caring about school, about relationships, about themselves. I’ve seen this play out hundreds of times—kids labeled as “behavior problems” eventually wear that label like a badge. And once that happens, good luck getting them to re-engage.
2. It fuels resentment in the entire classroom.
   Students notice when peers are kicked out or consistently separated. It creates an “us vs. them” mentality. The so-called “good kids” begin to believe that anyone who struggles is a problem to get rid of, not a person to understand. That’s not education—that’s social conditioning to dehumanize people who are different.
3. It teaches nothing about empathy or responsibility.
   The whole point of being in a classroom community is to learn how to live in a community. You don’t learn empathy by sitting only with kids who never push your buttons. You don’t learn responsibility by having “the troublemakers” removed. You learn those things by navigating relationships with people who are different from you—who frustrate you, challenge you, and make you grow.
4. It puts academics over humanity.
   I keep seeing these old-school posts saying, “We need to focus on academics.” Let me ask you this: what kid learns well when they feel like they don’t belong? Show me the research that proves anxiety, isolation, and shame are the keys to higher test scores. Spoiler: it doesn’t exist.
5. It creates adults who quit when things get tough.
   If we teach kids that you just “remove” difficult people from your life, we’re setting them up for failure in the real world. Life doesn’t work that way. In jobs, relationships, and communities, you can’t just exile people who annoy you. Schools are supposed to prepare kids for life, not teach them to avoid it.

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I Used to Be One of Those Teachers​

I get it—I really do. I used to be one of those teachers who thought removing “problem kids” was the answer. Early in my career, I believed that getting rid of disruptions would make my class run smoothly.

And yes, for a day or two, it was quiet. But you know what happened next? Those same kids came back angrier, more frustrated, and more determined to push back. And the rest of the class?

They learned that if you mess up enough, you just get kicked out. No growth. No learning. Just punishment.

It took me years to realize that the real work isn’t in removing students; it’s in creating a classroom culture that makes removal unnecessary in the first place."

I’m Done Watching Teachers Give Up on Kids

Fed up with teachers giving up on kids? Discover why removing “disruptive” students fails everyone—and how building classroom community changes everything.

www.10publications.com

Pathetic!!!!!!! Every paragraph supports coddling the very few at the expense of the many. Deny it all you want but you are a liberal.

 

[Unkotare]

Pathetic!!!!!!! Every paragraph supports coddling the very few at the expense of the many. Deny it all you want but you are a liberal.

Again, NOT MY WORDS. How ******* hard is that to understand?

 

[Unkotare]

The principal that hired me as his assistant told me the percentages were 5-10-85 and I think he was right. 85% of the kids will never cause you a problem at all. 10 percent of the kids will get into trouble once, learn their lesson and straighten up. There are 5% of kids that are better off doing something else than trying to get an education. They are irredeemable.

My experience said he was right.

A 16-year-old student who was in second freshman year with absolutely no credits (failed every class) was also suspected of dealing drugs. I kicked him out of school. Later, after I left the school, the newer principal let him back in. Three months into the fall term, he was sexually harassing a female student. It got so bad he was harassing her at her apartment complex where she lived under the custody of the much older brother. The brother warned him off and when that didn't take, he shot and killed him with his hunting rifle. That kid was a perfect example of that 5%, and it got him dead.

Imagine an entire school filled with that kid. I worked at just such a school for a couple of years until the particular program I was teaching in got split up and shared out to two (much) larger, more conventional schools in the district.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Again, NOT MY WORDS. How ******* hard is that to understand?

To be fair, you would reduce confusion if you were to take a stand on the article one way or another.

If you gave your Social Studies class a chapter in a history book to read, and said, "These are not MY words, remember that!" they would have to wonder what was your point in giving it to them.

It reminds me of a kid when I was a kid who would tell a joke, but first attribute it to someone else. Then if they joke fell flat, he would say "well there's a Jeff joke for you."

 

[Unkotare]

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If you gave your Social Studies class a chapter in a history book to read, and said, "These are not MY words, remember that!" they would have to wonder what was your point in giving it to them.
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Huh?

Do you think every book used in school was written by the teacher teaching it?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Huh?

Do you think every book used in school was written by the teacher teaching it?

I hope you're kidding.

I think that teachers don't typically give books to students while disavowing the contents of the book.

 

[Unkotare]

I hope you're kidding.

I think that teachers don't typically give books to students while disavowing the contents of the book.

Who said "disavowing"? You sure do make a lot of assumptions.

You never read Huckleberry Finn in school?

 

[Rambunctious]

What does he agree with you about? All I see you post is ignorant observations from the outside! Did you mean that you agree with him on something? You don't get to decide.

You don't even know what my discussion with Unkotare the laughing boy is about... yet you have to add your two cents in which is what your comments are always worth... 2 cents...
If you don't know that there is a discipline problem in public schools then you have not been in a K-12 public school for a long time... so just pipe down...

 

[Unkotare]

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If you don't know that there is a discipline problem in public schools then you have not been in a K-12 public school for a long time... .

I'm sure you struggle with the scourge of Biff and Thad not tying their pink sweaters around their necks properly.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You don't even know what my discussion with Unkotare the laughing boy is about... yet you have to add your two cents in which is what your comments are always worth... 2 cents...
If you don't know that there is a discipline problem in public schools then you have not been in a K-12 public school for a long time... so just pipe down...

I was an assistant principal in charge of student discipline. I never said there wasn't a problem, just that you are f-ing clueless as a part-time golf coach.

 

[Unkotare]

I was an assistant principal in charge of student discipline. I never said there wasn't a problem, just that you are f-ing clueless as a part-time golf coach.

He has put in time on the mean links where a sand trap could be around any fairway!

 

[Rambunctious]

I'm sure you struggle with the scourge of Biff and Thad not tying their pink sweaters around their necks properly.

Now you just sound silly and without an argument against my opinion....

 

[Rambunctious]

I was an assistant principal in charge of student discipline. I never said there wasn't a problem, just that you are f-ing clueless as a part-time golf coach.

So you agree with me and I'm clueless?....

 

[Unkotare]

Now you just sound silly and without an argument against my opinion....

What opinion is that?

 

[Rambunctious]

What opinion is that?

The one you posted a disagreement with...

 

[Rambunctious]

Unkotare Are you sure you are a teacher???

 

[Rambunctious]

Unkotare As I remember it... you are a wrestling coach... am I right?...so what do you know?... are wrestling coaches smarter than golf coaches???

 

[Unkotare]

The one you posted a disagreement with...

Which one is that, Chubbs?