Dirty, polluting, Wind Power

[Billy_Bob]

The U.S. wind energy boom couldn’t be coming at a better time

Wind energy in the U.S. is now at 66 gigawatts of installed capacity, according to the report — providing roughly 5 percent of total U.S. electricity demand. 66 gigawatts is enough electricity to power 17.5 million homes (a gigawatt is a billion watts). And, says Jose Zayas, who heads the wind and water power technologies office at the Energy Department’s Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, 13 more gigawatts are now “in the construction phase” and set to come online by 2016.

For reference, in 2012, the U.S. had 1063 gigawatts of total installed electricity capacity, according to the Energy Information Administration.

5% of our capacity is wind.

Well there it is... The moron liar at work..

Tell me Old Fraud, your stating that the build capacity of a wind farm is 100% all the time?


The average wind generator is only viable for 6-8 hours a day in region 5 wind zones. The average is less than 4-6 hours a day or just under 25%. this mean a farm rated at 100Mw will only produce 25Mw in a short period of just six hours or less.. tell me, are you going to freeze to death in winter at night when these things dont produce or do you have a magic power machine?

Left wit fools are so stupid..

 

[Old Rocks]

Wind blows money into pockets of Sherman County residents

GRASS VALLEY -- Every household in windsweptSherman County will soon get a Christmas gift in the mail: a $590 check.

The lonesome 831-square-mile county may lay to rest the adage about an "ill wind blowing nobody any good." This is the third consecutive year that checks will go out for the people's share of annual wind-energy revenues.

No other Oregon county makes similar payments and the $416,540 cash outlay may be unprecedented in the United States, says John Audley, spokesman for Renewable Northwest Project. His Portland-based coalition of companies and groups promotes renewable energy.

The checks are loosely modeled after dividend payments to Alaskans for oil gurgling through the Trans-Alaskan Pipeline. The county also gives its four tiny towns -- Wasco, Moro, Rufus and Grass Valley -- annual checks of $100,000 each.

2011 wind payments
Wind companieswill pay Sherman County about $9 million this year in wind turbine revenues in lieu of property taxes. The companies pay another $3.3 million to about 35 wheat farmers who have turbines on their land, an average of $6,000 per turbine.
The county will pay out $100,000 each to its four towns and $416,540 to residents ($590 to 706 households). That's a drop from $426,570 last year, when 723 households received payments.
Also: The county uses some of the money for capital improvements.
Roughly 550 wind turbines rearing 300-plus feet into the breezy high desert sky have brought dramatic changes here. Twelve wind farms are now on line, producing 1,000 megawatts of alternative energy -- enough to power 100,000 homes -- and providing the county government with $9 million annual revenues.
Under the county's agreement with the wind companies, the payments will continue until 2025.

My goodness, Silly Billy, surely you can convince these people how evil the mills are. LOL

 

[Old Rocks]

The U.S. wind energy boom couldn’t be coming at a better time

Wind energy in the U.S. is now at 66 gigawatts of installed capacity, according to the report — providing roughly 5 percent of total U.S. electricity demand. 66 gigawatts is enough electricity to power 17.5 million homes (a gigawatt is a billion watts). And, says Jose Zayas, who heads the wind and water power technologies office at the Energy Department’s Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, 13 more gigawatts are now “in the construction phase” and set to come online by 2016.

For reference, in 2012, the U.S. had 1063 gigawatts of total installed electricity capacity, according to the Energy Information Administration.

5% of our capacity is wind.

Well there it is... The moron liar at work..

Tell me Old Fraud, your stating that the build capacity of a wind farm is 100% all the time?

Would you care to repeat that one more time? This time in English.

 

[elektra]

The U.S. wind energy boom couldn’t be coming at a better time

Wind energy in the U.S. is now at 66 gigawatts of installed capacity, according to the report — providing roughly 5 percent of total U.S. electricity demand. 66 gigawatts is enough electricity to power 17.5 million homes (a gigawatt is a billion watts). And, says Jose Zayas, who heads the wind and water power technologies office at the Energy Department’s Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, 13 more gigawatts are now “in the construction phase” and set to come online by 2016.

For reference, in 2012, the U.S. had 1063 gigawatts of total installed electricity capacity, according to the Energy Information Administration.

5% of our capacity is wind.

Lies and lies and lies, that is Wind Power.

Hell, when confronted with pictures showing Wind Turbines throwing oil all over the desert, Old Crock makes a claim that is false.

Wind power does not power Palm Springs let alone 17.5 million homes.

Installed Capacity means nothing, all that counts is the power that is delivered, which is zero 75% of the time

And what about INDUSTRY!

Wind Power in incapable of providing energy to industry, hence the false claims about energy provided to homes.

 

[elektra]

Wind blows money into pockets of Sherman County residents

GRASS VALLEY -- Every household in windsweptSherman County will soon get a Christmas gift in the mail: a $590 check.

The lonesome 831-square-mile county may lay to rest the adage about an "ill wind blowing nobody any good." This is the third consecutive year that checks will go out for the people's share of annual wind-energy revenues.

No other Oregon county makes similar payments and the $416,540 cash outlay may be unprecedented in the United States, says John Audley, spokesman for Renewable Northwest Project. His Portland-based coalition of companies and groups promotes renewable energy.

The checks are loosely modeled after dividend payments to Alaskans for oil gurgling through the Trans-Alaskan Pipeline. The county also gives its four tiny towns -- Wasco, Moro, Rufus and Grass Valley -- annual checks of $100,000 each.

2011 wind payments
Wind companieswill pay Sherman County about $9 million this year in wind turbine revenues in lieu of property taxes. The companies pay another $3.3 million to about 35 wheat farmers who have turbines on their land, an average of $6,000 per turbine.
The county will pay out $100,000 each to its four towns and $416,540 to residents ($590 to 706 households). That's a drop from $426,570 last year, when 723 households received payments.
Also: The county uses some of the money for capital improvements.
Roughly 550 wind turbines rearing 300-plus feet into the breezy high desert sky have brought dramatic changes here. Twelve wind farms are now on line, producing 1,000 megawatts of alternative energy -- enough to power 100,000 homes -- and providing the county government with $9 million annual revenues.
Under the county's agreement with the wind companies, the payments will continue until 2025.

My goodness, Silly Billy, surely you can convince these people how evil the mills are. LOL

Oregon buys electricity from Wyoming's Coal Powered plants.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I wonder why all the farmers haven't pointed out that all their farmland has been poisoned by wind turbines?

Oh, that's right, Billy is just engaging in his usual fraud and fakery. Nothing new to see.

You and old socks are a pair of sock puppets.. same old crap, no real data, and spewing left wing talking points..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Wind blows money into pockets of Sherman County residents

GRASS VALLEY -- Every household in windsweptSherman County will soon get a Christmas gift in the mail: a $590 check.

The lonesome 831-square-mile county may lay to rest the adage about an "ill wind blowing nobody any good." This is the third consecutive year that checks will go out for the people's share of annual wind-energy revenues.

No other Oregon county makes similar payments and the $416,540 cash outlay may be unprecedented in the United States, says John Audley, spokesman for Renewable Northwest Project. His Portland-based coalition of companies and groups promotes renewable energy.

The checks are loosely modeled after dividend payments to Alaskans for oil gurgling through the Trans-Alaskan Pipeline. The county also gives its four tiny towns -- Wasco, Moro, Rufus and Grass Valley -- annual checks of $100,000 each.

2011 wind payments
Wind companieswill pay Sherman County about $9 million this year in wind turbine revenues in lieu of property taxes. The companies pay another $3.3 million to about 35 wheat farmers who have turbines on their land, an average of $6,000 per turbine.
The county will pay out $100,000 each to its four towns and $416,540 to residents ($590 to 706 households). That's a drop from $426,570 last year, when 723 households received payments.
Also: The county uses some of the money for capital improvements.
Roughly 550 wind turbines rearing 300-plus feet into the breezy high desert sky have brought dramatic changes here. Twelve wind farms are now on line, producing 1,000 megawatts of alternative energy -- enough to power 100,000 homes -- and providing the county government with $9 million annual revenues.
Under the county's agreement with the wind companies, the payments will continue until 2025.

My goodness, Silly Billy, surely you can convince these people how evil the mills are. LOL

Oregon buys electricity from Wyoming's Coal Powered plants.

Yes they DO!!!!

The hypocrisy is stunning... isn't it!

 

[Billy_Bob]

The U.S. wind energy boom couldn’t be coming at a better time

Wind energy in the U.S. is now at 66 gigawatts of installed capacity, according to the report — providing roughly 5 percent of total U.S. electricity demand. 66 gigawatts is enough electricity to power 17.5 million homes (a gigawatt is a billion watts). And, says Jose Zayas, who heads the wind and water power technologies office at the Energy Department’s Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, 13 more gigawatts are now “in the construction phase” and set to come online by 2016.

For reference, in 2012, the U.S. had 1063 gigawatts of total installed electricity capacity, according to the Energy Information Administration.

5% of our capacity is wind.

Well there it is... The moron liar at work..

Tell me Old Fraud, your stating that the build capacity of a wind farm is 100% all the time?

Would you care to repeat that one more time? This time in English.

For the moron...

Rated Capacity 100Mw x 0.25 (6hr/24hr) = 25mw during operations and ZERO production when the wind doesn't blow or is below standard to maintain rated capacity..

Thus your rated capacity fantasies are bull shit.. The actual output is less than 25% of rated capacity..

 

[flacaltenn]

Ten years ago, people were stating that wind would never provide even 1% of our electrical needs. Now it is providing 5%. And, when the grid starts including grid scale batteries at the mills and at the point of use, then wind and solar will provide far more of the power we use.

Wind doesn't provide the 5%.. That's calculated from the INSTALLED capacity, not actual production. And if it DID supply 5% --- it would provide 3 months of year on Tuesdays and parts of Wednesdays. It's a poor SUPPLEMENT to the grid at best.. NOT a backbone reliable generator..

 

[elektra]

This thread proves one thing, the wind power industry, the government, the utilities, do not care about pollution or the environment and they care even less about the people who pay higher taxes and electrical rates. Its all about power, money, greed.

 

[flacaltenn]

In the Alaskan oil fields you cannot park a brand new non-leaky pickup truck on the tundra without placing oil mats down.. It's not that this oil leakage is a disaster -- it's the HYPOCRISY of the environmental enforcement that pisses folks off. Same deal with the govt issuing Eagle kill permits to the wind farms at the SAME TIME that they are prosecuting and fining other energy companies for the kills..

A HUGE double standard. And when the Govt sends out a "body squad" to SNATCH those dead birds and whisk them away -- It's also a huge money waste to PROTECT a mature industry that shouldn't be sucking tax payer dollars at the rates they are..

 

[flacaltenn]

It's wind season in the UK right now. Last year, the installed capacity of 13.5Gwatt produced at a 24% rate.

RIGHT NOW --- at this moment -- it's providing 15% of the demand.. But at PEAK demand yesterday -- it was no where to be found.. Charts and real-time at ----

U.K. National Grid status

 

[Old Rocks]

Why battery storage is 'just about ready to take off'

Battery storage is gathering momentum in the U.S. market thanks to rapidly evolving technologies and falling costs.

Batteries are rapidly becoming the dominant form of energy storage both at the grid and end-user levels, and utilities are likely to play an important role in its further growth, according to a new brief from Deloitte’sCenter for Energy Solutions.

“The emergence of battery storage is happening now, is accelerating, and it will get bigger in the next two to five years,” Andrew Slaughter, the Center’s executive director and co-author of “Electricity Storage Technologies, Impacts, and Prospects,” told Utility Dive.

Utility leaders are increasingly seeing how storage can be “dropped into strategic places in the power system, which means "they are looking at it hard and some are already going to market for storage solutions," Slaughter added.

Battery storage technology appears to be inching closer to a “sweet spot” that will likely result in falling prices, while accelerating deployment through the end of this decade, Slaughter said. “There are more opportunities for storage emerging due to the confluence of the way the economics are working and the way the grid is developing.”

With the power system diversifying both at the grid and consumer levels, utilities are increasingly seeing that “if you get storage in the right place, it de-stresses the rest of the grid, gives new reliability options, and gives the opportunity to avoid investment in generation,” he added.

A new Moody's Investor Services study foresees a significant market impact, especially since "battery prices have declined more than 50% since 2010,” the report said. “Expanded battery use will be credit negative for U.S. merchant generators…due to the subsequent lower prices for capacity and peak energy. Regulated utilities will see a smaller impact, but will face cost-shifting issues.

This technology will significantly impact the alternative energy base.

 

[Old Rocks]

Why battery storage is 'just about ready to take off'

The price of the power supplied by lithium-ion batteries is priced between $1,000 per kW to $2,000 per kW, according to a recent Energy Storage Update. The update puts the current price of power from CAES facilities at $1,600 to $2,200 per kW, PHS at $1,200 to $2,100 per kW, and flywheel storage at $2,100 to $2,600 per kW.

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The median price for the energy provided by utility-scale battery storage systems in the first quarter of 2015 was $900 per kWh and didn't fall significantly in Q2. But the low end of the price range declined from $800 per kWh in Q1 to $750 per kWh last quarter, explained Ravi Manghani, senior energy storage analyst, who is also lead author on the GTM Research/Energy Storage Association quarterly energy storage monitor.

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Manghani believes Tesla’s April announcement that it would produce batteries at $250 per kWh is pushing other battery manufacturers. They are not likely to get to that price point this year, Manghani said, but it will come in the near future.

The times, they are a-changing

 

[elektra]

Why battery storage is 'just about ready to take off'

The price of the power supplied by lithium-ion batteries is priced between $1,000 per kW to $2,000 per kW, according to a recent Energy Storage Update. The update puts the current price of power from CAES facilities at $1,600 to $2,200 per kW, PHS at $1,200 to $2,100 per kW, and flywheel storage at $2,100 to $2,600 per kW.

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The median price for the energy provided by utility-scale battery storage systems in the first quarter of 2015 was $900 per kWh and didn't fall significantly in Q2. But the low end of the price range declined from $800 per kWh in Q1 to $750 per kWh last quarter, explained Ravi Manghani, senior energy storage analyst, who is also lead author on the GTM Research/Energy Storage Association quarterly energy storage monitor.

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Manghani believes Tesla’s April announcement that it would produce batteries at $250 per kWh is pushing other battery manufacturers. They are not likely to get to that price point this year, Manghani said, but it will come in the near future.

The times, they are a-changing

So, another huge waste of taxpayer money, wind and solar can not and do not produce 1% of the piwer our nation uses so why would we need a battery to store power from something that will never produce?

 

[elektra]

It is like the giverment and tesla have come up with something duracell and eveready have not? Just imagine having to pay giant double AA batteries, just the garbage alone will be a new industry.

 

[elektra]

Old Crock can not address the pollution of wind turbines, you think old crock can address the pollution of giant batteries?

I cant wait until the government forces me to buy tesla batteries, I have so much extra electricity if only I had an Obamabattery to put it.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Old Crock can not address the pollution of wind turbines, you think old crock csn address the pollution of giant batteries?

I cant wait until the givernment forces me to buy tesla batteries, I have so much extra electricity if only I had an Obamabattery to put it.

Ive been hearing about government bull shit batteries since the 70's.. when they made that claim too... Battery storage charge rates haven't change but 1% over fifty years...Most of the claims old crock makes are not what they appear.

 

[flacaltenn]

Why battery storage is 'just about ready to take off'

The price of the power supplied by lithium-ion batteries is priced between $1,000 per kW to $2,000 per kW, according to a recent Energy Storage Update. The update puts the current price of power from CAES facilities at $1,600 to $2,200 per kW, PHS at $1,200 to $2,100 per kW, and flywheel storage at $2,100 to $2,600 per kW.

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The median price for the energy provided by utility-scale battery storage systems in the first quarter of 2015 was $900 per kWh and didn't fall significantly in Q2. But the low end of the price range declined from $800 per kWh in Q1 to $750 per kWh last quarter, explained Ravi Manghani, senior energy storage analyst, who is also lead author on the GTM Research/Energy Storage Association quarterly energy storage monitor.

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Manghani believes Tesla’s April announcement that it would produce batteries at $250 per kWh is pushing other battery manufacturers. They are not likely to get to that price point this year, Manghani said, but it will come in the near future.

The times, they are a-changing

Battery storage is not gonna get you thru a 2 week lull in wind. And even IF the storage capacities came up to 10% of daily grid demand -- it would be an Environmental DISASTER to be fielding, maintaining and recycling that much waste....

 

[9aces]

Why battery storage is 'just about ready to take off'

The price of the power supplied by lithium-ion batteries is priced between $1,000 per kW to $2,000 per kW, according to a recent Energy Storage Update. The update puts the current price of power from CAES facilities at $1,600 to $2,200 per kW, PHS at $1,200 to $2,100 per kW, and flywheel storage at $2,100 to $2,600 per kW.

.......................................................................................................................................................................................

The median price for the energy provided by utility-scale battery storage systems in the first quarter of 2015 was $900 per kWh and didn't fall significantly in Q2. But the low end of the price range declined from $800 per kWh in Q1 to $750 per kWh last quarter, explained Ravi Manghani, senior energy storage analyst, who is also lead author on the GTM Research/Energy Storage Association quarterly energy storage monitor.

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Manghani believes Tesla’s April announcement that it would produce batteries at $250 per kWh is pushing other battery manufacturers. They are not likely to get to that price point this year, Manghani said, but it will come in the near future.

The times, they are a-changing

Which was my point. That at some time in the future, it can be cost effective. Right now it isn't, only subsidies are keeping it afloat. Note: This is not me saying this is a bad idea, you learn lessons in practical applications that theory is ineffective in providing.

Which was why I said aerogel advances are the golden egg, not your battery comments there. If you think hard about it, assuming you're capable of thinking and not letting someone else do your thinking for you, you'll see why.

In fact, let's see if your brain pan is up to that challenge. Since it's unlikely you're going to find much in the way of internet links for someone else to tell you why. Step up and show you have the neurons.