Did Pretti act lawfully?

[rightwinger]

He acted unlawfully, likely intending to provoke a response which the left could criticize.

I am willing to discuss the response of the agents to Pretti's unlawful behavior, and ICE's whole operation in Minnesota, but only with a person reasonable enough to agree with the above statement.

What law did Pretti break

 

[westwall]

It's a marginal case but in the long run, Pretti played with fire and got burned.
He had no business being in the middle of that. While armed. While not having ID on him. He was a brainwashed leftist who was on the edge of madness.

All of which is true, but he didn't have the gun in his hand when he was shot.

That's a problem. Babbitt was clearly murdered, she was no threat, and the coward shot her from cover.

This guy WAS an agitator, but that doesn't give law enforcement carte blanche to kill him.

I don't think murder charges are warranted based on the circumstances, but manslaughter, or criminally negligent homicide I can see. It all depends on the evidence.

 

[westwall]

What law did Pretti break

Interfering with a law enforcement official involved in a lawful arrest.

 

[Couchpotato]

What law did Pretti break

I believe his interference of LEO especially given he was carrying a concealed weapon. Doesn’t mean BP was correct in their actions but Pretti wasn’t walking down the street minding his own business and jumped my border patrol.

 

[80zephyr]

The agents came after the citizens. In fact, the agent had to walk all the way across the street just to get the chance to shove a peaceful woman to the ground.

Why aren't we ever allowed to consider the legality of the agent's actions?

Standing in the street is an illegal act. Do you really believe that after the taillight kicking incident that Pretti wasn't spoiling for a confrontation?

 

[Lockback]

All of which is true, but he didn't have the gun in his hand when he was shot.

That's a problem. Babbitt was clearly murdered, she was no threat, and the coward shot her from cover.

This guy WAS an agitator, but that doesn't give law enforcement carte blanche to kill him.

I don't think murder charges are warranted based on the circumstances, but manslaughter, or criminally negligent homicide I can see. It all depends on the evidence.

I still wonder if his Sig P320 went off accidentally when it was pulled from him. They're not necessarily the most stable platform in the handgun world ...

 

[Frankeneinstein]

ICE Overreacted and killed a man

the only 'overreaction' when it comes to facing down white privilege is the outrage from the white privilege class...fact

 

[Dante]

Watch, and answer honestly

I don’t believe he did…

How exactly do you think Pretti act unlawfully?

 

[Dante]

It's a marginal case but in the long run, Pretti played with fire and got burned.
He had no business being in the middle of that. While armed. While not having ID on him. He was a brainwashed leftist who was on the edge of madness.

cuckoo, not serious maga spin

sad, really

supporting the state murdering it's own citizens - gunned down in cold blood

 

[Seymour Flops]

What law did Pretti break

Minnesota Statute 609.50 and 18 USC 111, and 18 ISC 372.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

What a fucked up piece of propaganda. Pretti wasn't being confrontational, the ICE agents were. He was trying to help a woman who was being pepper sprayed. Then he was pepper sprayed and assaulted by half a dozen thugs, disarmed after never drawing his gun, and shot in the back multiple times.

Walter puts the burden on Pretti to de-escalate the situation because he was armed. Yet puts no burden on the ICE thugs not to shoot a man who did nothing but try to protect a woman being physically abused by an ICE thug.

If you can come to the conclusion anything Pretti did that day justified him being executed you've lost any any sense of PERSPECTIVE.

He literally involved HIMSELF in an engagement between an agent and a civilian who was impeding law enforcement, how can you claim he 'wasn't being confrontational?' Did he confront the officer or didn't he? IF he had not involved himself, would he still be alive today?

 

[toobfreak]

All of which is true, but he didn't have the gun in his hand when he was shot.

Thing is, none of the taped evidence makes clear WHERE his gun was when shot. And in the scrum with everyone battling for control over Pretti, a gun goes off or someone yells "He's got a gun!" and people fire in self defense.

Bottom line is that Pretti had the opportunity to retreat from danger as required by law but refused, instead insisting on injecting himself ever more into the scrum and was just going to be a bigger and bigger problem until something gave.

The other point is that none of this likely would have happened had the mayor not intentionally withheld crowd control by local police. ICE is not trained in crowd control; Pretti in effect made himself an armed assailant. More to the point, it may be that Frey himself was actively involved in the organization of these mobs Pretti was a part of.

 

[Marener]

Standing in the street is an illegal act. Do you really believe that after the taillight kicking incident that Pretti wasn't spoiling for a confrontation?

You aren't seriously trying to tell me that the ICE agent walked all the way across the street to shove a peaceful woman to the ground because of jaywalking?

Please try to have a rational conversation.

 

[berg80]

That said, he was not a teenager, should he not have appreciated that the risk/reward continuum was not leaning in his favor in these situations?

Putting aside that word salad, if you asked any reasonable person to watch the video leading up to his death and predict the outcome, perhaps stopped it just as he was being peppered sprayed and attacked by multiple officers, would anyone have guessed he'd be shot in the back 10 times while being completely under their control?

 

[Dirk the Daring]

cuckoo, not serious maga spin

sad, really

supporting the state murdering it's own citizens - gunned down in cold blood

Help me out, which of these two events occurred first...

A) Pretti was shot by law enforcement

or

2) Pretti inserted himself into a scrum that did not involve him at all with law enforcement while armed

??? Liberals srsly believe that Pretti was just walking down the street with a phone in hand and was gunned down for no reason...

 

[Dante]

Minnesota Statute 609.50 and 18 USC 111, and 18 ISC 372.

Deserves the death penalty! Okay

Pretti was not in a dispute over any law like that when he was murdered

 

[Dante]

Help me out, which of these two events occurred first...

A) Pretti was shot by law enforcement

or

2) Pretti inserted himself into a scrum that did not involve him at all with law enforcement while armed

??? Liberals srsly believe that Pretti was just walking down the street with a phone in hand and was gunned down for no reason...

What difference would it make if "Pretti inserted himself into a scrum that did not involve him at all with law enforcement while armed" or unarmed? How and when did being armed become an issue? We've all seen the videos. Even SENATOR RAND PAUL is puzzled by narratives people like you keep spinning

Pretti was nearby the woman who was unnecessarily sprayed. His medical training and personality had him reach out to help her .. not intervene in some imaginary "scrum"

There was no fight taking pace. We see the woman being sprayed. We see Pretti reaching out to her and ICE sees that as a federal offense with deadly consequences

You are an evil person. just sayin'

 

[Dante]

Minnesota Statute 609.50 and 18 USC 111, and 18 ISC 372.

False. A jury would throw that shit out

 

[Frankenstein]

What a fucked up piece of propaganda. Pretti wasn't being confrontational, the ICE agents were. He was trying to help a woman who was being pepper sprayed. Then he was pepper sprayed and assaulted by half a dozen thugs, disarmed after never drawing his gun, and shot in the back multiple times.

Walter puts the burden on Pretti to de-escalate the situation because he was armed. Yet puts no burden on the ICE thugs not to shoot a man who did nothing but try to protect a woman being physically abused by an ICE thug.

If you can come to the conclusion anything Pretti did that day justified him being executed you've lost any any sense of PERSPECTIVE.

If he ain't there he can't get shot he was obstructing justice and it wasn't the first time.

 

[Dante]

If he ain't there he can't get shot he was obstructing justice and it wasn't the first time.

Pathetic. That's what you are