Did obama just encourage the troops to MUTINY against Trump??

[ShootSpeeders]

Yeah, if you have a complaint with someone above you in the chain of command, you go to the person that is a jump higher on the chain than they are.

Hey einstein. If you think the CIC is ineligible, who is the person a jump higher that you complain to?

 

[ABikerSailor]

"... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

---------------------------- doesn't ap

"... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

----------------------------------------------------- military has to keep its mouth shut last i heard . If military can criticise the President or Officers then this country is in worse shape than i thought . ------------------------- Course , the TRUMP isn't President yet so that might be the technicality .

Criticizing the president or any officer above you in the chain of command isn't the same as disobeying a lawful order issued by someone above you.

Here, let me help you out.................

When to (and Not to) Obey Military Orders

 

[occupied]

You are confused, the stunt where the soldier refused to deploy because he thought the president was born in Kenya had nothing to do with the 1st amendment. A soldier who has a complaint with the chain of command must go through military channels and has no access to civilian courts for that complaint.

Hey stupid. . There is no law passed by congress that says a soldier cannot sue in a civil court. The courts have tried to rewrite the law to say soldiers have no such right but the constitution says courts can't write laws. THINK

The UCMJ is clear on the procedure to challenge unlawful orders and the civilian courts have no jurisdiction.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

---------------------------- doesn't ap

"... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

----------------------------------------------------- military has to keep its mouth shut last i heard . If military can criticise the President or Officers then this country is in worse shape than i thought . ------------------------- Course , the TRUMP isn't President yet so that might be the technicality .

How does it work in your country? lol

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

Here's the opening to the article.

The U.S. Marine Corps has decided to discharge a sergeant for criticizing President Barack Obama on Facebook.

The Corps said Wednesday that Sgt. Gary Stein will be given an other-than-honorable discharge for violating Pentagon policy limiting speech of service members.

The discharge means he will lose all military benefits. According to a Facebook post on the site that originally got him in trouble, the discharge was postponed. Stein's "discharge will be postponed until results of a medical condition, he was diagnosed with on Monday, are returned and treatment is discussed," the message said.

 

[pismoe]

Obama told the troops, “each of us has…the universal right to speak your minds and to protest against authority; to live in a society that’s open and free; that can criticize our president without retribution.”

Unbelievable. The low class, stupid and clueless on this man literally is without limit. Trump is going to have to flush twice to get rid of that turd.

Exactly what do you find offensive about that statement? Oh yeah, the 1st amendment.

---------------------------------------------------------------- military is supposed to keep their mouth shut and follow orders Occupied !!

----------------------------------------------------------------- military doesn't recognize the 1st Amendment for its employees as far as I am aware !!

Actually, in the military, you DO have First Amendment rights, but in order to exercise them, you have to check with the PAO (Public Affairs Officer) first to check if you can go in uniform or not. If it is a partisan event, you have to go in civilian clothes. If it is a general event (Memorial day and the like), in certain cases you can go in uniform.

And no...............the military is NOT supposed to keep their mouth shut and follow orders. In Navy Rights and Responsibilities (required annual classes), you were told that you are supposed to obey all LAWFUL orders, but if you know an order to be unlawful (they order you to wash their car or something that isn't in your job description, or against regs), then you not only have the right to refuse to follow it, but you have the duty to report it as well.

You weren't ever in the military, were you?

----------------------------------------- lawful orders are a matter of opinion , exercise that trick at your own risk . Criticizing the President or higher ranks will cause problems and it sounds to me that mrobama is doing some undermining BSailor !!

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yeah, if you have a complaint with someone above you in the chain of command, you go to the person that is a jump higher on the chain than they are.

Hey einstein. If you think the CIC is ineligible, who is the person a jump higher that you complain to?

Not up to the military member to decide if the CIC is eligible or not. If they are elected by the country and sworn in, they are eligible as far as the military is concerned. Not the military's job to vet the incoming president. That is the job of the people who elect him and the election boards who are tasked with vetting him.

But, if a military member DID have problems with the CIC, I'm pretty sure there are procedures to address it. I know there are procedures for redress when it comes to the CO mistreating his crew.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

The UCMJ is clear on the procedure to challenge unlawful orders and the civilian courts have no jurisdiction.

No jurisdiction?? Because the military says so.?? Show us a law written by congress that says soldiers have no access to civilian courts.

 

[whitehall]

Unfortunately for Barry Hussein the Troops are probably smarter and better informed than he is. That's why Trump was elected.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

Here's the opening to the article.

The U.S. Marine Corps has decided to discharge a sergeant for criticizing President Barack Obama on Facebook.

The Corps said Wednesday that Sgt. Gary Stein will be given an other-than-honorable discharge for violating Pentagon policy limiting speech of service members.

The discharge means he will lose all military benefits. According to a Facebook post on the site that originally got him in trouble, the discharge was postponed. Stein's "discharge will be postponed until results of a medical condition, he was diagnosed with on Monday, are returned and treatment is discussed," the message said.

One of the main comments that got him in trouble was when he said "screw Obama, as an active member of the Marine Corps, I will not follow any orders by him", and posted it PUBLICLY on a Facebook post. Now, that might not sound like much to you, but to his chain of command, it could present a problem.

In the military, you CAN protest and voice your opinion, but if you're gonna do it publicly where the general population can see it, you have to check with the PAO first to make sure it's within guidelines. Publicly refusing to do your job isn't.

 

[pismoe]

"... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

---------------------------- doesn't ap

"... whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

----------------------------------------------------- military has to keep its mouth shut last i heard . If military can criticise the President or Officers then this country is in worse shape than i thought . ------------------------- Course , the TRUMP isn't President yet so that might be the technicality .

Criticizing the president or any officer above you in the chain of command isn't the same as disobeying a lawful order issued by someone above you.

Here, let me help you out.................

When to (and Not to) Obey Military Orders

------------------------------------------------------------------------------ this is about speech BSailor , nothing to do with disobeying orders .

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

Here's the opening to the article.

The U.S. Marine Corps has decided to discharge a sergeant for criticizing President Barack Obama on Facebook.

The Corps said Wednesday that Sgt. Gary Stein will be given an other-than-honorable discharge for violating Pentagon policy limiting speech of service members.

The discharge means he will lose all military benefits. According to a Facebook post on the site that originally got him in trouble, the discharge was postponed. Stein's "discharge will be postponed until results of a medical condition, he was diagnosed with on Monday, are returned and treatment is discussed," the message said.

One of the main comments that got him in trouble was when he said "screw Obama, as an active member of the Marine Corps, I will not follow any orders by him", and posted it PUBLICLY on a Facebook post. Now, that might not sound like much to you, but to his chain of command, it could present a problem.

In the military, you CAN protest and voice your opinion, but if you're gonna do it publicly where the general population can see it, you have to check with the PAO first to make sure it's within guidelines. Publicly refusing to do your job isn't.

So you can voice your opinion but you just cant tell anyone?

 

[occupied]

The UCMJ is clear on the procedure to challenge unlawful orders and the civilian courts have no jurisdiction.

No jurisdiction?? Because the military says so.?? Show us a law written by congress that says soldiers have no access to civilian courts.

The Uniform Code of Military Justice is preeminent of civilian law in strictly military matters.

 

[ABikerSailor]

The UCMJ is clear on the procedure to challenge unlawful orders and the civilian courts have no jurisdiction.

No jurisdiction?? Because the military says so.?? Show us a law written by congress that says soldiers have no access to civilian courts.

Military law and civilian law are two totally different judicial systems. If you are charged with a crime that is strictly a military matter, a civilian court has no say in how the military conducts the courts martial.

However..............in the military, you ARE subject to double jeopardy, which is something that a civilian never has to worry about. If you are stopped out in the civilian community for DUI for example, not only will the civilian courts charge and punish you for DUI, but when you get back to the command, they will file charges against you for DUI as well, and handle it under the UCMJ.

 

[bodecea]

Obama told the troops, “each of us has…the universal right to speak your minds and to protest against authority; to live in a society that’s open and free; that can criticize our president without retribution.”

Unbelievable. The low class, stupid and clueless on this man literally is without limit. Trump is going to have to flush twice to get rid of that turd.

Exactly what do you find offensive about that statement? Oh yeah, the 1st amendment.

---------------------------------------------------------------- military is supposed to keep their mouth shut and follow orders Occupied !!

So..the military is supposed to obey illegal orders?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

Here's the opening to the article.

The U.S. Marine Corps has decided to discharge a sergeant for criticizing President Barack Obama on Facebook.

The Corps said Wednesday that Sgt. Gary Stein will be given an other-than-honorable discharge for violating Pentagon policy limiting speech of service members.

The discharge means he will lose all military benefits. According to a Facebook post on the site that originally got him in trouble, the discharge was postponed. Stein's "discharge will be postponed until results of a medical condition, he was diagnosed with on Monday, are returned and treatment is discussed," the message said.

One of the main comments that got him in trouble was when he said "screw Obama, as an active member of the Marine Corps, I will not follow any orders by him", and posted it PUBLICLY on a Facebook post. Now, that might not sound like much to you, but to his chain of command, it could present a problem.

In the military, you CAN protest and voice your opinion, but if you're gonna do it publicly where the general population can see it, you have to check with the PAO first to make sure it's within guidelines. Publicly refusing to do your job isn't.

So you can voice your opinion but you just cant tell anyone?

Kind of, but not really. If you are just talking among yourselves in the shop and don't make it public, you can pretty much talk about things. However, if you are going to be in a place where it is public and everyone will see what you are saying and doing, you have to check with the PAO first, to make sure that it's not going to be something that will bring discredit to the service you're in, because unfortunately, if a person is standing on the street with a protest or political sign wearing a uniform, people will think that is the official position of that service.

 

[occupied]

Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

Here's the opening to the article.

The U.S. Marine Corps has decided to discharge a sergeant for criticizing President Barack Obama on Facebook.

The Corps said Wednesday that Sgt. Gary Stein will be given an other-than-honorable discharge for violating Pentagon policy limiting speech of service members.

The discharge means he will lose all military benefits. According to a Facebook post on the site that originally got him in trouble, the discharge was postponed. Stein's "discharge will be postponed until results of a medical condition, he was diagnosed with on Monday, are returned and treatment is discussed," the message said.

One of the main comments that got him in trouble was when he said "screw Obama, as an active member of the Marine Corps, I will not follow any orders by him", and posted it PUBLICLY on a Facebook post. Now, that might not sound like much to you, but to his chain of command, it could present a problem.

In the military, you CAN protest and voice your opinion, but if you're gonna do it publicly where the general population can see it, you have to check with the PAO first to make sure it's within guidelines. Publicly refusing to do your job isn't.

So you can voice your opinion but you just cant tell anyone?

You can voice your opinion but they can fuck you over if they don't like what you say or where you say it. It's arbitrary as hell.

 

[tinydancer]

Obama told the troops, “each of us has…the universal right to speak your minds and to protest against authority; to live in a society that’s open and free; that can criticize our president without retribution.”

Unbelievable. The low class, stupid and clueless on this man literally is without limit. Trump is going to have to flush twice to get rid of that turd.

Exactly what do you find offensive about that statement? Oh yeah, the 1st amendment.

A Marine who criticized Obama on Facebook was discharged. 9 years if service out the window. And this discharge means he lost all military benefits.

Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

 

[owebo]

By the time our soldiers stop celebrating Obamas loss enough to listen, he will be long gone...

 

[ABikerSailor]

Obama told the troops, “each of us has…the universal right to speak your minds and to protest against authority; to live in a society that’s open and free; that can criticize our president without retribution.”

Unbelievable. The low class, stupid and clueless on this man literally is without limit. Trump is going to have to flush twice to get rid of that turd.

Exactly what do you find offensive about that statement? Oh yeah, the 1st amendment.

A Marine who criticized Obama on Facebook was discharged. 9 years if service out the window. And this discharge means he lost all military benefits.

Marine who criticized President Obama on Facebook to be discharged

Yeah.............but he also said this (from your link)............

Another document brought forward in an earlier proceeding revealed that Stein posted on a Marine meteorology and oceanographic Facebook page March 23, "As an active Marine I say, 'Screw Obama' and I will not follow orders from him."

Now, yes, he did insult the president, but more importantly is that his chain of command saw this post and became concerned. What he was doing is against the good order and discipline of the U.S. Military when he said he wouldn't do his job.

And.........in the military, if you post or say something publicly, making it known what your service branch is, you MUST check with the PAO first, because public comments and protests where your service is known could be taken as an endorsement from that service. Same reason you can't go to partisan political rallies in uniform, it constitutes an unofficial endorsement from the service for that candidate.