Did masks or anything slow the corona spread. I say NO WAY

[sarahgop]

 

[sarahgop]

Florida doing just fine

 

[sarahgop]

Columbia has had a snot rag mandate since April 20 with no noticeable result other than rising cases.

 

[sarahgop]

Germany 86% mask compliance on oct 6 and cases skyrocketed

 

[deannalw]

This mask crap is one of the dumbest things the people of this country ever fell for.

 

[deannalw]

Germany 86% mask compliance on oct 6 and cases skyrocketed

I'm curious as to how they determined it was 86%

 

[sarahgop]

CT, MA, NY

 

[sarahgop]

This mask crap is one of the dumbest things the people of this country ever fell for.

i AGREE

 

[sarahgop]

Germany 86% mask compliance on oct 6 and cases skyrocketed

I'm curious as to how they determined it was 86%

survey

 

[sarahgop]

Ohio, cases skyrocket after snot rag mandate

 

[sarahgop]

Massachusettes. Masks didnt flatten the curve, nor did social distancing or lockups

 

[sarahgop]

Masks never matter

 

[surada]

Columbia has had a snot rag mandate since April 20 with no noticeable result other than rising cases.

Social distancing, wearing a mask and handwashing are all standard strategies with any contagion. It isn't rocket science.

Notice the protocols in hospitals.

 

[sarahgop]

Columbia has had a snot rag mandate since April 20 with no noticeable result other than rising cases.

Social distancing, wearing a mask and handwashing are all standard strategies with any contagion. It isn't rocket science.

Notice the protocols in hospitals.

Not shred of evidence masks or social distancing works.

 

[surada]

Columbia has had a snot rag mandate since April 20 with no noticeable result other than rising cases.

Social distancing, wearing a mask and handwashing are all standard strategies with any contagion. It isn't rocket science.

Notice the protocols in hospitals.

Not shred of evidence masks or social distancing works.

Your opinions are right wing ignorance. .. How much education do you have, Sara? You sure are vulnerable to demagogues and populists.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Your opinions are right wing ignorance.

Your opinions are wrong-wing lies.

 

[Rigby5]

Columbia has had a snot rag mandate since April 20 with no noticeable result other than rising cases.

Social distancing, wearing a mask and handwashing are all standard strategies with any contagion. It isn't rocket science.

Notice the protocols in hospitals.

Masks can work in hospitals, but they only count on the masks for less than 15 minutes at a time.
Once saliva drops evaporate, the mask becomes useless and actually increases your virus intake.

The problem with "flattening the curve" in general, is that you conserve easy hosts, which then prevents herd immunity and instead makes the epidemic last forever.
Instead, you WANT the largest initial spike possible, so that then the easy hosts are all quickly used up, and the epidemic then will quickly end in less than 2 weeks.

The historical tradition to successfully end any epidemic with the least deaths has been variolation, the deliberate infection of those least likely to die from it.

The History of Variolation

The exact origins of variolation (also known as “inoculation”) are not well known. However, it is agreed that the practice started somewhere in Asia, in either China or India. (It is possible that it started in both places at around the same time.) In China, scabs from smallpox pustules would be...

historyofvaccines.blog

{...
The exact origins of variolation (also known as “inoculation”) are not well known. However, it is agreed that the practice started somewhere in Asia, in either China or India. (It is possible that it started in both places at around the same time.) In China, scabs from smallpox pustules would be dried in the sun and then inhaled by people seeking to be inoculated. The drying of the scabs would weaken the virus — or make less of it viable — and the inoculated person would (hopefully) not develop the full-blown symptoms of smallpox. In India, the method was similar to what would migrate west to the Middle East, North Africa and eventually Europe. That method involved lancing the pustule of someone recovering from smallpox and then using that same lance to transfer some of the pustule material (pus) into the arm of a healthy person.

Either method had to be practiced by someone with much experience in the procedure. There are two forms of smallpox: variola minor and variola major. The minor form caused death in about 1% of those who were infected, and the major form caused death in about 30% of those who were infected. (Some estimates put the death rate in some epidemics as high as 50% if the population hit by the epidemic was especially susceptible.) As a result, a physician performing the variolation procedure had to recognize that the donor had variola minor, and that they were recovering from the disease, making the virus in the pustules less viable. When done wrong, variolation could actually trigger rather large epidemics, like the epidemic in Ft. Union, North Dakota.

In 1706, an enslaved man was sold to a church congregation in the Massachusetts Colony in North America. The congregation would go on to “gift” Onesimus to Reverend Cotton Mather. The reverend asked Onesimus one day about the scar Onesimus had on his arm. Onesimus explained that he and others had received smallpox inoculations in order to be safe from the disease. Upon hearing this, Rev. Mather consulted with a local physician by the name of Zabdiel Boylston, and Boylston consulted with colleagues. They arrived at the conclusion that variolation was worth trying, especially since Boston was a big trading harbor and Massachusetts suffered periodic smallpox epidemics when ships arrived carrying infected people. When smallpox arrived again in 1721, Mather and Boylston moved quickly to inoculate their family and servants. At the end of the epidemic, 14% of those who contracted smallpox “the natural way” had died. Of those who were inoculated, 2% died.

In 1717, Lady Mary Wortley Montagu traveled to the Ottoman Empire (modern day Turkey) along with her husband — who was the British Ambassador to the Empire — and her son, Edward. Upon hearing about the variolation procedure and its success in preventing smallpox, Lady Mary asked to observe the procedure, writing home about it in one of her many letters from her travels. Having caught smallpox herself two years earlier — and losing her brother two years before that — Lady Mary wished to spare Edward the experience of the disease. In the end, the variolation worked, and Edward recovered from mild symptoms of smallpox and became immune. In 1721, when smallpox yet again hit England, Lady Mary had her daughter inoculated. The event was well publicized and attracted the attention of the public. Lady Mary influenced the Princess of Wales to inoculate her daughters in 1722. From then on, inoculation would be practiced increasingly in European countries.

In 1768, Catherine The Great of Russia continued her expansion of healthcare services in the Russian Empire by first having herself inoculated and then inoculating her family. She would then go on to order that inoculation be practiced throughout the empire, resulting in over two million people receiving the procedure.

Around the same time that Catherine The Great was inoculating her subjects, a physician was trying to convince the people of Norfolk, Virginia, to adopt the procedure and prevent smallpox from decimating the community on a periodic basis. Like Boston, Norfolk was a port city and subject to arrivals of smallpox on trading vessels. Dr. Archibald Campbell hired Dr. John Dalgleish to perform inoculations on families in Norfolk. Not only that, but Dr. Dalgleish published articles supporting the practice. On June 27, a mob attacked Dr. Campbell’s home, where he was attempting to inoculate a group of people. The tensions between those for and those against inoculation came to a head when the practice of inoculation was banned in Virginia in 1770 by the Virginia Legislature. That same year, with Thomas Jefferson as a prosecutor, some of the people who attacked Dr. Campbell’s home were tried with only a few found guilty.
...}

 

[surada]

Columbia has had a snot rag mandate since April 20 with no noticeable result other than rising cases.

Social distancing, wearing a mask and handwashing are all standard strategies with any contagion. It isn't rocket science.

Notice the protocols in hospitals.

Masks can work in hospitals, but they only count on the masks for less than 15 minutes at a time.
Once saliva drops evaporate, the mask becomes useless and actually increases your virus intake.

The problem with "flattening the curve" in general, is that you conserve easy hosts, which then prevents herd immunity and instead makes the epidemic last forever.
Instead, you WANT the largest initial spike possible, so that then the easy hosts are all quickly used up, and the epidemic then will quickly end in less than 2 weeks.

The historical tradition to successfully end any epidemic with the least deaths has been variolation, the deliberate infection of those least likely to die from it.

The History of Variolation

The exact origins of variolation (also known as “inoculation”) are not well known. However, it is agreed that the practice started somewhere in Asia, in either China or India. (It is possible that it started in both places at around the same time.) In China, scabs from smallpox pustules would be...

historyofvaccines.blog

{...
The exact origins of variolation (also known as “inoculation”) are not well known. However, it is agreed that the practice started somewhere in Asia, in either China or India. (It is possible that it started in both places at around the same time.) In China, scabs from smallpox pustules would be dried in the sun and then inhaled by people seeking to be inoculated. The drying of the scabs would weaken the virus — or make less of it viable — and the inoculated person would (hopefully) not develop the full-blown symptoms of smallpox. In India, the method was similar to what would migrate west to the Middle East, North Africa and eventually Europe. That method involved lancing the pustule of someone recovering from smallpox and then using that same lance to transfer some of the pustule material (pus) into the arm of a healthy person.

Either method had to be practiced by someone with much experience in the procedure. There are two forms of smallpox: variola minor and variola major. The minor form caused death in about 1% of those who were infected, and the major form caused death in about 30% of those who were infected. (Some estimates put the death rate in some epidemics as high as 50% if the population hit by the epidemic was especially susceptible.) As a result, a physician performing the variolation procedure had to recognize that the donor had variola minor, and that they were recovering from the disease, making the virus in the pustules less viable. When done wrong, variolation could actually trigger rather large epidemics, like the epidemic in Ft. Union, North Dakota.

In 1706, an enslaved man was sold to a church congregation in the Massachusetts Colony in North America. The congregation would go on to “gift” Onesimus to Reverend Cotton Mather. The reverend asked Onesimus one day about the scar Onesimus had on his arm. Onesimus explained that he and others had received smallpox inoculations in order to be safe from the disease. Upon hearing this, Rev. Mather consulted with a local physician by the name of Zabdiel Boylston, and Boylston consulted with colleagues. They arrived at the conclusion that variolation was worth trying, especially since Boston was a big trading harbor and Massachusetts suffered periodic smallpox epidemics when ships arrived carrying infected people. When smallpox arrived again in 1721, Mather and Boylston moved quickly to inoculate their family and servants. At the end of the epidemic, 14% of those who contracted smallpox “the natural way” had died. Of those who were inoculated, 2% died.

In 1717, Lady Mary Wortley Montagu traveled to the Ottoman Empire (modern day Turkey) along with her husband — who was the British Ambassador to the Empire — and her son, Edward. Upon hearing about the variolation procedure and its success in preventing smallpox, Lady Mary asked to observe the procedure, writing home about it in one of her many letters from her travels. Having caught smallpox herself two years earlier — and losing her brother two years before that — Lady Mary wished to spare Edward the experience of the disease. In the end, the variolation worked, and Edward recovered from mild symptoms of smallpox and became immune. In 1721, when smallpox yet again hit England, Lady Mary had her daughter inoculated. The event was well publicized and attracted the attention of the public. Lady Mary influenced the Princess of Wales to inoculate her daughters in 1722. From then on, inoculation would be practiced increasingly in European countries.

In 1768, Catherine The Great of Russia continued her expansion of healthcare services in the Russian Empire by first having herself inoculated and then inoculating her family. She would then go on to order that inoculation be practiced throughout the empire, resulting in over two million people receiving the procedure.

Around the same time that Catherine The Great was inoculating her subjects, a physician was trying to convince the people of Norfolk, Virginia, to adopt the procedure and prevent smallpox from decimating the community on a periodic basis. Like Boston, Norfolk was a port city and subject to arrivals of smallpox on trading vessels. Dr. Archibald Campbell hired Dr. John Dalgleish to perform inoculations on families in Norfolk. Not only that, but Dr. Dalgleish published articles supporting the practice. On June 27, a mob attacked Dr. Campbell’s home, where he was attempting to inoculate a group of people. The tensions between those for and those against inoculation came to a head when the practice of inoculation was banned in Virginia in 1770 by the Virginia Legislature. That same year, with Thomas Jefferson as a prosecutor, some of the people who attacked Dr. Campbell’s home were tried with only a few found guilty.
...}

I disagree re: masks. No harm no foul. You aren't a doctor or an epidemiologist.

 

[sarahgop]

Columbia has had a snot rag mandate since April 20 with no noticeable result other than rising cases.

Social distancing, wearing a mask and handwashing are all standard strategies with any contagion. It isn't rocket science.

Notice the protocols in hospitals.

Masks can work in hospitals, but they only count on the masks for less than 15 minutes at a time.
Once saliva drops evaporate, the mask becomes useless and actually increases your virus intake.

The problem with "flattening the curve" in general, is that you conserve easy hosts, which then prevents herd immunity and instead makes the epidemic last forever.
Instead, you WANT the largest initial spike possible, so that then the easy hosts are all quickly used up, and the epidemic then will quickly end in less than 2 weeks.

The historical tradition to successfully end any epidemic with the least deaths has been variolation, the deliberate infection of those least likely to die from it.

The History of Variolation

The exact origins of variolation (also known as “inoculation”) are not well known. However, it is agreed that the practice started somewhere in Asia, in either China or India. (It is possible that it started in both places at around the same time.) In China, scabs from smallpox pustules would be...

historyofvaccines.blog

{...
The exact origins of variolation (also known as “inoculation”) are not well known. However, it is agreed that the practice started somewhere in Asia, in either China or India. (It is possible that it started in both places at around the same time.) In China, scabs from smallpox pustules would be dried in the sun and then inhaled by people seeking to be inoculated. The drying of the scabs would weaken the virus — or make less of it viable — and the inoculated person would (hopefully) not develop the full-blown symptoms of smallpox. In India, the method was similar to what would migrate west to the Middle East, North Africa and eventually Europe. That method involved lancing the pustule of someone recovering from smallpox and then using that same lance to transfer some of the pustule material (pus) into the arm of a healthy person.

Either method had to be practiced by someone with much experience in the procedure. There are two forms of smallpox: variola minor and variola major. The minor form caused death in about 1% of those who were infected, and the major form caused death in about 30% of those who were infected. (Some estimates put the death rate in some epidemics as high as 50% if the population hit by the epidemic was especially susceptible.) As a result, a physician performing the variolation procedure had to recognize that the donor had variola minor, and that they were recovering from the disease, making the virus in the pustules less viable. When done wrong, variolation could actually trigger rather large epidemics, like the epidemic in Ft. Union, North Dakota.

In 1706, an enslaved man was sold to a church congregation in the Massachusetts Colony in North America. The congregation would go on to “gift” Onesimus to Reverend Cotton Mather. The reverend asked Onesimus one day about the scar Onesimus had on his arm. Onesimus explained that he and others had received smallpox inoculations in order to be safe from the disease. Upon hearing this, Rev. Mather consulted with a local physician by the name of Zabdiel Boylston, and Boylston consulted with colleagues. They arrived at the conclusion that variolation was worth trying, especially since Boston was a big trading harbor and Massachusetts suffered periodic smallpox epidemics when ships arrived carrying infected people. When smallpox arrived again in 1721, Mather and Boylston moved quickly to inoculate their family and servants. At the end of the epidemic, 14% of those who contracted smallpox “the natural way” had died. Of those who were inoculated, 2% died.

In 1717, Lady Mary Wortley Montagu traveled to the Ottoman Empire (modern day Turkey) along with her husband — who was the British Ambassador to the Empire — and her son, Edward. Upon hearing about the variolation procedure and its success in preventing smallpox, Lady Mary asked to observe the procedure, writing home about it in one of her many letters from her travels. Having caught smallpox herself two years earlier — and losing her brother two years before that — Lady Mary wished to spare Edward the experience of the disease. In the end, the variolation worked, and Edward recovered from mild symptoms of smallpox and became immune. In 1721, when smallpox yet again hit England, Lady Mary had her daughter inoculated. The event was well publicized and attracted the attention of the public. Lady Mary influenced the Princess of Wales to inoculate her daughters in 1722. From then on, inoculation would be practiced increasingly in European countries.

In 1768, Catherine The Great of Russia continued her expansion of healthcare services in the Russian Empire by first having herself inoculated and then inoculating her family. She would then go on to order that inoculation be practiced throughout the empire, resulting in over two million people receiving the procedure.

Around the same time that Catherine The Great was inoculating her subjects, a physician was trying to convince the people of Norfolk, Virginia, to adopt the procedure and prevent smallpox from decimating the community on a periodic basis. Like Boston, Norfolk was a port city and subject to arrivals of smallpox on trading vessels. Dr. Archibald Campbell hired Dr. John Dalgleish to perform inoculations on families in Norfolk. Not only that, but Dr. Dalgleish published articles supporting the practice. On June 27, a mob attacked Dr. Campbell’s home, where he was attempting to inoculate a group of people. The tensions between those for and those against inoculation came to a head when the practice of inoculation was banned in Virginia in 1770 by the Virginia Legislature. That same year, with Thomas Jefferson as a prosecutor, some of the people who attacked Dr. Campbell’s home were tried with only a few found guilty.
...}

Thats the best post on here!! Nothing they did was ever going to flatten the curve anyway

 

[badger2]

On variolation, Joseph Needham, Science and Civilization in China, V. 7.

Some varying parameters of mask-wearing are:

1. The virus is becoming used to the CO2 of the mask (E.g., hypoxia-inducible factor, HIF)

2. Different statistics reflect geography.

3. Different statistics reflect the diversity of evolved H. sapiens genomes.