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DHS report says 2 agents fired weapons in Alex Pretti shooting
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toobfreak
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In every case, ICE-detractors here, any videos they might rarely present, or even a few reports I've seen on TV always grossly misstate the real evidence, fail to support claims with evidence, leave out important glaring facts, and/or draw conclusions not supported in the evidence.
Now they will try to claim the two officers shooting Pretti being on administrative leave as proof of their guilt. In fact, that is just SOP to get them out of the region and put them on other duties somewhere until a formal investigation is reached.
These two officers will be absolved to at worst get a slap on the wrist just to make it look good for the public interest. This is not a cover up, this is not police protecting their own, it is just the simple fact that:
- Pretti was a trained antagonist with a history of repeated and persistent attempts to tie up ICE and obstruct them.
- The guy was trained not to cooperate and just keep being a major problem no matter what.
- He stupidly brought his legal gun into a conflict situation with police. Who was he expecting to need a gun for? A fellow protester? Gun fight with police?
- Police are trained to kill threats. These people are putting their lives on the line against dangerous, desperate, hostile people. Police cannot afford to "wait to see what your intentions are," any reasonable gunsman can pull a gun and fire it well under a second, leaving police practically no time to defend themselves. Pretti must have done something to make officers think he was or was intending to be direct threat to them. Under such conditions, an officer will always shoot first and ask questions later. Or he will likely be a dead cop.
The review board will look at the video, hear all the stories then consider the circumstances and almost certainly conclude that IT WAS REASONABLE for them to take Pretti and his actions as an immediate threat to them.
I've seen many cases where multiple officers literally emptied their mags into a person continuing to fire after the guy was completely down and motionless. One time the guy was 20-30 feet away and just carrying a knife!
I wonder if any of these idiots understand at all what danger they are placing themselves in acting like this, carrying gun, fighting with police making themselves a danger to these officers?
Sadly, the people behind all of this are after one objective: to simply tie up Trump, DHS and ICE with so much bad press and hopefully, litigation, to at least stall, delay or kill efforts to rid the country of Biden's 20 million invaders, and to build a platform for democrats to run on in the midterms trying to make Trump and the GOP out as fascist monsters for doing nothing every other president (including Obama) did with total impunity, but it won't work. The law is the law and part of that law says that just carrying a gun makes you a threat, because the gun is that threat, and officers will always be given the benefit of the doubt unless there is a clear and gross violation of the law.
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He didn't smear anyone, he was just re-posting the content of someone else.
The video said BBC facial recognition was 97% match. Most people would say it is a fair statement that the guy resembles Pretti based on a 97% match.
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Not "pre-criming" him. Though what he did by interfering with the agents in the first place was a crime, he lied to his parents and promised not to do anything foolish when he went out to protest.
So, my qualm is that we are deifying this man. What he did was incredibly stupid and foolish.
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Yes, resembling. Because it sure looked like Pretti but the holder of the video had not positively determined as a matter of fact that it was Pretti with absolute certainly. His face is covered and for the most part, little shown in the clip. Though it certainly looked to be Pretti, to SAY it was Pretti, and later be proven wrong accusing the wrong person of attacking ICE, would open the person to legal jeopardy.
Pretti was an even bigger POS than I had realized. I'm not sure I could restrain myself as much as ICE did--- Pretti deserved a serious ass-kicking... clearly, these people are abusing their rights and privileges in an attempt to use our own lax justice system in order to DAMAGE our justice system.
RESULT: People are going to get shot, and this could end in a police state or civil war. Too bad we can't ask Pretti now if it was all really worth it to him.
And I wonder: how is Pretti holding down an ER job while doing this? On his day off? Who has time to spend their day off attacking police and trying to get shot on their day off? I always had bills to pay, lawns to mow, food to buy, and a million other things.
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Pretti should have been arrested for damaging government property.
I'll wait for the bodycam. And there's probably more to the story too. What I've seen so far is one overeager ICE agent being a little too liberal with the pepper spray. What happened after that is hard to discern, it needs a close-up.
Now they're saying the Sig didn't accidentally discharge, and that tells me someone must have seen something. It's not clear whether the agent running away with the gun let the other guys know he had it. Apparently it wasn't just one trigger happy guy, two agents fired a lot of rounds and that would tend to indicate there was something to be seen. Hopefully.
Now they're saying the Sig didn't accidentally discharge, and that tells me someone must have seen something. It's not clear whether the agent running away with the gun let the other guys know he had it. Apparently it wasn't just one trigger happy guy, two agents fired a lot of rounds and that would tend to indicate there was something to be seen. Hopefully.
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If the deep state started using AI to identify criminals it thought was going to commit massive traumatic crime, I am only suggesting from what I know of the government, it would not bother to try to legalize that tech in the US, as it would be a constitutional nightmare. Instead, I suggest, they would use it on extreme rare cases to neutralize dangers w/o knowledge of what is being done in the public sphere.
I'm starting to get a vibe that the technocrats that have ingratiated themselves to the administration are already using this tech.
The death of the Pretti guy seemed very suspect.
Why would they act so aggressively on a guy that did not seem to be a threat. . . at that particular moment?
. . . and then, a day ago I found out some more disturbing new about the history of this guy. . . . and that is just the data point they are letting the public know about.
Palantir faces criticism over tool used by ICE to track individuals for potential deportation
What if Palantir is not only gathering data on illegals, but also tracking some of the folks in that ICE WATCH organization? Might it be possible that the machine had warned them that this guy was a high threat to officers?
I know in some European nations, the security establishment is just admitting that they are going to start using this tool.
AI to help police catch criminals before they strike
Government launches AI crime prevention challenge to support safer streets.
Britain’s AI Policing Plan Turns Toward Predictive Surveillance and a Pre-Crime Future
When the state’s gaze never blinks, innocence becomes a temporary status.
reclaimthenet.org
U.K. government’s “pre-crime” AI sparks civil liberties debate amid claims of bias and privacy invasion
The U.K. government is developing an AI-driven “homicide prediction” system that analyzes personal data — including ethnicity, mental health and past police interactions — to identify potential future murderers, drawing comparisons to sci-fi film “Minority Report.” The system aggregates...
www.newstarget.com
. . . but in America, it seems like there are serious constitutional issues with this tech. So would they even tell us if they started using it?
Might it be, that Pretti is the first American to be a casualty of this technology?
My suggestion is the the folks running the show knew already that the guy was dangerous, before that interaction ever even occurred, and might, just might have had orders to not go easy on him because the Palantir had already notified them that this person was a threat.
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Hrmm.. I agree with parts of this.If the deep state started using AI to identify criminals it thought was going to commit massive traumatic crime, I am only suggesting from what I know of the government, it would not bother to try to legalize that tech in the US, as it would be a constitutional nightmare. Instead, I suggest, they would use it on extreme rare cases to neutralize dangers w/o knowledge of what is being done in the public sphere.
I'm starting to get a vibe that the technocrats that have ingratiated themselves to the administration are already using this tech.
The death of the Pretti guy seemed very suspect.
Why would they act so aggressively on a guy that did not seem to be a threat. . . at that particular moment?
. . . and then, a day ago I found out some more disturbing new about the history of this guy. . . . and that is just the data point they are letting the public know about.
Palantir faces criticism over tool used by ICE to track individuals for potential deportation
What if Palantir is not only gathering data on illegals, but also tracking some of the folks in that ICE WATCH organization? Might it be possible that the machine had warned them that this guy was a high threat to officers?
I know in some European nations, the security establishment is just admitting that they are going to start using this tool.
AI to help police catch criminals before they strike
Government launches AI crime prevention challenge to support safer streets.www.gov.uk
Britain’s AI Policing Plan Turns Toward Predictive Surveillance and a Pre-Crime Future
When the state’s gaze never blinks, innocence becomes a temporary status.
U.K. government’s “pre-crime” AI sparks civil liberties debate amid claims of bias and privacy invasion
The U.K. government is developing an AI-driven “homicide prediction” system that analyzes personal data — including ethnicity, mental health and past police interactions — to identify potential future murderers, drawing comparisons to sci-fi film “Minority Report.” The system aggregates...
. . . but in America, it seems like there are serious constitutional issues with this tech. So would they even tell us if they started using it?
Might it be, that Pretti is the first American to be a casualty of this technology?
My suggestion is the the folks running the show knew already that the guy was dangerous, before that interaction ever even occurred, and might, just might have had orders to not go easy on him because the Palantir had already notified them that this person was a threat.
But if he was previously known to the agents, he was already on a short leash.
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By that logic, so did Dr. King, or Rosa Parks, or for that matter, Jesus.
Protecting a woman who was being beaten up was "foolish"? Really?
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I don't think these jackboots have Body Cams, but if they did, they'd have released something if they thought it was exculpatory.
They were in a big hurry to release Ross's cell footage of his shooting of Good, thinking that made him look better. (It actually made him look so much worse, showing he was the aggressor in that situation.
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No, interfering with ICE agents was foolish. Dr. King and Rosa Parks obeyed the law and used the legal system to gain what they wanted, and Jesus did to a certain degree. He was/is the Son of God, and not generally bound to the laws of men, but even he didn't engage in needless interference with the legal workings of the Roman Empire. In fact, he took his punishment, even if it was unjust.
However, the comparison is apples to oranges. Pretti was out there protesting for the rights of people who broke the law, justly enacted law.
JoeB131
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King didn't obey the law, and he was arrested multiple times.
In fact, before he was assassinated at 38, he had been arrested a total of 29 times on various charges.
Now, I am sure the bigots who invoke "the law" did so back in the 1960s as well. Why, Segregation was "the Law", why can't these uppity negros obey "The Law".
It is also the "Law" in Minnesota that it is a sanctuary state.
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As the mist clears a bit..the first reports are that 2 agents discharged their weapons after an agent shouted, 'Gun!' several times.
At no time is it alleged that Pretti drew his weapon, at no time is it alleged the Pretti even tried to draw his weapon.
In fact, video footage shows an agent taking Pretti's gun BEFORE he was shot.
DHS report says 2 agents fired weapons in Alex Pretti shooting
DHS report sent to the House Oversight Committee says two federal agents shot Alex Pretti and does not say that Pretti drew his gun.abcnews.go.com
Minneapolis shooting video analysis details killing of Alex Pretti
Alex Pretti shooting follows fatal ICE shooting of Renee Good weeks earlier. Minneapolis gun laws allowed Pretti to carry a weapon. See the timeline.www.usatoday.com
Here's a second-by-second breakdown of another video, seen below, that was posted to social media by Drop Site News. All times approximate.
0:10 Pretti can be seen holding up his phone, apparently filming an agent interacting with two women on the street.
0:12 Pretti steps into the street to wave a car past while continuing to film.
0:27 An agent is heard yelling at one of the women and approaches them. The video points toward the ground.
The agent can be seen shoving the woman in another video.
0:33 Pretti can be seen apparently leading the woman away.
0:35 The agent shoves the second woman, who falls to the ground.
0:36 Pretti steps between the agent and the second woman on the ground. He is sprayed with what appears to be a chemical irritant and is shoved by the first agent as other agents approach.
0:40 The agent continues to spray Pretti with irritant.
0:47 Pretti and the woman on the ground are separated by the agents and Pretti is held to the ground.
0:59 There are at least six agents present as Pretti is held down on his hands and knees. One appears to strike at him repeatedly with an object in the direction of his head.
1:00 Someone can be heard yelling that he has a gun.
1:01 One agent can be seen drawing his gun.
1:02 A shot rings out. Then three more in quick succession. Then another.
1:06 The agents back away and unload additional shots at Pretti as he lies on the ground.
The videos are clear. None of them support the MAGA narrative.
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Sure, but in the end he triumphed posthumously. He didn't resist, he didn't fight. Each time he was freed. Imagine what would have happened if he had become violent or combative? He'd've most likely been killed by the police. That's it. Movement over.
In conflict with Federal Immigration laws.
Sure you have the Posse Comitatus Act, but the sanctuaries go above and beyond to obstruct enforcement of the law.
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Really? Has our country really come down to this where we now must drag Jesus into the conversation just to get back on topic to the fundamental fact here that what these crowds have been doing is no different from if some crowd violently attacked and interfered with any other branch of public servants! These are police! Special forces. Instead of ICE, can you imagine the same group attacking a bunch of firefighters trying to save a burning house from burning down just because they now didn't agree with the home-owner on some issue?
ICE is doing nothing now they haven't done in 10,000 other places in 10,000 other times down throughout the years used by various presidents of both parties (even run often by the very same guy, Tom Homan!) never with a serious hitch or problem but all of a sudden, these idiots are trying to make us believe now that there is suddenly this terrible thing happening now just because Donald Trump is running it now or it involves the removal of a lot of really bad people in the country many of which Biden let in?
And to "prove" their claims, they manufacture their own events and crises! The Left cares not one whit about the George Floyds of the world nor the Goods or Prettis, they are all being used, created and sacrificed in order to manufacture some media spectacular so their stooges everywhere can get up on a drum and lecture to their minions now about how they must think and act and feel about the events they created while calling 85% of the rest of the country a cult? All like a magician's hand of misdirection to keep the country looking elsewhere while they distract from the real issue at hand of the unbelievable corruption, lying, fraud and theft the democrats have been doing behind everybody else's backs.
Democrats are now magnitudes beyond anything they wail about both in actual crimes committed (they are into serious felony territory now where if not prosecuted, results in anything from an unbelievable miscarriage of justice to grandiose hypocrisy), and frankly, people are fed up with the rhetoric every 2-4 years as needed with another manufactured "crisis" created to yell "victim" or "danger" with, to pin on the republicans for all of the democrats to jump onto a platform with then in some orgasm of pure acting, role-playing and rhetoric, rally the cult of idiots again living in the crime, poverty and misery they hold them in telling them instead that the cause of all their suffering is the GOP.
Those rat-bastard republicans.
And all they gotta do is pull that D lever again to make those boogeymen just go away. You know, justice and liberty forever for all. Except there are no actual boogeymen and they never go away. Just a handful of democrats keep getting richer and richer playing their hoi polloi so ever-willing to be led around and forever used.
JoeB131
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One image comes to mind when you say this.
Here's the reality. In the future, Trump will be considered an embarrassment even by Republicans, while Good and Pretti will have schools and streets named after them.
Well, I'd call it basic humanity. Arresting foreigners for being foreign (even if they have green cards or TPS or citizenship) by masked policemen and whisking them off to concentration camps is just not a good look for America.
This is the kind of shit we rag on China or Iran for doing.
Renee Good and Alex Pretti both had psychological problems. Most likely should be patients in Mental Hospitals. We do not have them like we had in the past. Now there are many people energized to go in the streets who are the same. These two are not Rosa Parks, or Dr.King or Jesus.
JoeB131
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What is your evidence that they had "Psychological problems"?
They both were regular people who held down jobs.
People are in the streets because they see masked thugs harassing their neighbors under color of law.
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Agenda which I hope will come soon-- refurbishing many unused structures to be used for involuntary mental health facilities. We need them so badly.
Make Asylums Great Again.
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