Despite letters of apology from admin, congress furious over Bergdahl deal

[BlindBoo]

I found this interesting from that article.

The uproar over Bergdahl extended even to his hometown, the rural hamlet of Hailey, Idaho, where officials canceled plans to hold a celebration this month. They cited security concerns after being inundated with negative emails and angry phone calls.

Why he did it? Congress can't be trusted not to leak. The circus to follow could have scuttled the deal

Not "could" have.

Most certainly would have.

Besides, the answer would have been "NO!"

And that would have been the right answer

There is nothing in the NDAA that orders the executive branch to seek Congressional approval in this matter. It only required them to inform the defense, appropriations, and intelligence committees.

 

[BlindBoo]

Congress does NOT have the power to stop the POTUS (right or left) from making Military decisions and/or WAIT 30 days before he does...


protected by the Constitution of the United States of America from knee jerk morons playing politics.



Article II, Section 2, Clause 1.


deal with it

Not being beholden to either political party, this is what i laugh at you people for the most. Your endless flip flopping on the power of the Presidency based on which party holds it as if we don't have long term memories. What I laugh at the other side the most is their claim to be the party of small government.

President Bush had the same power.

 

[kaz]

Not "could" have.

Most certainly would have.

Besides, the answer would have been "NO!"

And that would have been the right answer

There is nothing in the NDAA that orders the executive branch to seek Congressional approval in this matter. It only required them to inform the defense, appropriations, and intelligence committees.

That has nothing to do with what I said. I don't have an issue with that Obama didn't notify Congress, I have an issue with that he made the trade. It is just another ill advised poorly thought through decision buy a guy who isn't up for the job.

 

[kaz]

Congress does NOT have the power to stop the POTUS (right or left) from making Military decisions and/or WAIT 30 days before he does...


protected by the Constitution of the United States of America from knee jerk morons playing politics.



Article II, Section 2, Clause 1.


deal with it

Not being beholden to either political party, this is what i laugh at you people for the most. Your endless flip flopping on the power of the Presidency based on which party holds it as if we don't have long term memories. What I laugh at the other side the most is their claim to be the party of small government.

President Bush had the same power.

A very narrow answer to a very broad point

 

[Jarhead]

Congress does NOT have the power to stop the POTUS (right or left) from making Military decisions and/or WAIT 30 days before he does...


protected by the Constitution of the United States of America from knee jerk morons playing politics.



Article II, Section 2, Clause 1.


deal with it

Releasing criminals is not the role of the CiC.......now...pay attention......

I am referring to the detainees we have in GITMO.

They are NOT POW's. They are criminals that we sought out and captured to be brought to justice. There is a difference. A BIG difference. They were not enemy soldiers that lost a battle and surrendered to our troops and taken as POW's.

We had special operations to find these particular guys and take them into custody so they could face a trial for their crimes against American. Most were not even on the field of battle and I believe some were found in Pakistan. (not sure about that though).

If you recall....Holder wanted to formally charge them and have them tried in US Federal Courts.

We do not try POW's.

So the president freed criminals. Perhaps for a good cause.....but that is NOT his role as a CiC. That is the role of the justice department.

Unless the President pardons them.

Now, if he pardoned them, then he needed the approval of congress to use tax payer money to transport a pardoned criminal.

Did he do that?

"...and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States"

I don't see anywhere in the Constitution that says he needs Congressional approval for any of what you claim. No 30 day waiting period, no having to get Congress to approve of the transportation funds, zero, nada.

are you saying the president can spend money on anything he pleases?

So if he opts to put another 1 million into Michelle's garden and the money was not already approved for the white house asthetics...he can simply tell someone to go to the bank and get it for him?

Really?

 

[koshergrl]

Congress does NOT have the power to stop the POTUS (right or left) from making Military decisions and/or WAIT 30 days before he does...


protected by the Constitution of the United States of America from knee jerk morons playing politics.



Article II, Section 2, Clause 1.


deal with it

Not being beholden to either political party, this is what i laugh at you people for the most. Your endless flip flopping on the power of the Presidency based on which party holds it as if we don't have long term memories. What I laugh at the other side the most is their claim to be the party of small government.

President Bush had the same power.

*yawn*.

Bush.

 

[BlindBoo]

Releasing criminals is not the role of the CiC.......now...pay attention......

I am referring to the detainees we have in GITMO.

They are NOT POW's. They are criminals that we sought out and captured to be brought to justice. There is a difference. A BIG difference. They were not enemy soldiers that lost a battle and surrendered to our troops and taken as POW's.

We had special operations to find these particular guys and take them into custody so they could face a trial for their crimes against American. Most were not even on the field of battle and I believe some were found in Pakistan. (not sure about that though).

If you recall....Holder wanted to formally charge them and have them tried in US Federal Courts.

We do not try POW's.

So the president freed criminals. Perhaps for a good cause.....but that is NOT his role as a CiC. That is the role of the justice department.

Unless the President pardons them.

Now, if he pardoned them, then he needed the approval of congress to use tax payer money to transport a pardoned criminal.

Did he do that?

"...and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States"

I don't see anywhere in the Constitution that says he needs Congressional approval for any of what you claim. No 30 day waiting period, no having to get Congress to approve of the transportation funds, zero, nada.

You can't pardon POW's.

And?????

But this is really about Republicrats trying "to shield the Bush presidency and legacy from being held accountable for the torture and inhumane acts it perpetrated in the name of security. That is why trials for detainees in federal courts have been blocked and why transfers out of Guantanamo have been all but shut down."

Prisoner swaps like Sgt. Bergdahl's are nothing new | MSNBC

 

[koshergrl]

Congress does NOT have the power to stop the POTUS (right or left) from making Military decisions and/or WAIT 30 days before he does...


protected by the Constitution of the United States of America from knee jerk morons playing politics.



Article II, Section 2, Clause 1.


deal with it

Not being beholden to either political party, this is what i laugh at you people for the most. Your endless flip flopping on the power of the Presidency based on which party holds it as if we don't have long term memories. What I laugh at the other side the most is their claim to be the party of small government.

President Bush had the same power.

*yawn*
Booosh

 

[hazlnut]

She may be mad but she won't do anything other then slap her gums.

IF Obama did apologize is that the same as a confession to a crime?

What crime would that be?


Jeez you guys will believe anything you hear on television.

There is no crime - policy breach - maybe.


There is no federal criminal statute in this matter.

Stop saying stupid stuff.

 

[Jarhead]

"...and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States"

I don't see anywhere in the Constitution that says he needs Congressional approval for any of what you claim. No 30 day waiting period, no having to get Congress to approve of the transportation funds, zero, nada.

You can't pardon POW's.

And?????

But this is really about Republicrats trying "to shield the Bush presidency and legacy from being held accountable for the torture and inhumane acts it perpetrated in the name of security. That is why trials for detainees in federal courts have been blocked and why transfers out of Guantanamo have been all but shut down."

Prisoner swaps like Sgt. Bergdahl's are nothing new | MSNBC

Yawn...

Bush.

 

[BlindBoo]

Releasing criminals is not the role of the CiC.......now...pay attention......

I am referring to the detainees we have in GITMO.

They are NOT POW's. They are criminals that we sought out and captured to be brought to justice. There is a difference. A BIG difference. They were not enemy soldiers that lost a battle and surrendered to our troops and taken as POW's.

We had special operations to find these particular guys and take them into custody so they could face a trial for their crimes against American. Most were not even on the field of battle and I believe some were found in Pakistan. (not sure about that though).

If you recall....Holder wanted to formally charge them and have them tried in US Federal Courts.

We do not try POW's.

So the president freed criminals. Perhaps for a good cause.....but that is NOT his role as a CiC. That is the role of the justice department.

Unless the President pardons them.

Now, if he pardoned them, then he needed the approval of congress to use tax payer money to transport a pardoned criminal.

Did he do that?

"...and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States"

I don't see anywhere in the Constitution that says he needs Congressional approval for any of what you claim. No 30 day waiting period, no having to get Congress to approve of the transportation funds, zero, nada.

are you saying the president can spend money on anything he pleases?

So if he opts to put another 1 million into Michelle's garden and the money was not already approved for the white house asthetics...he can simply tell someone to go to the bank and get it for him?

Really?

It's just hyperbole to say "anything". But he does have wide latitude on spending, especially as CiC.

 

[BlindBoo]

Not being beholden to either political party, this is what i laugh at you people for the most. Your endless flip flopping on the power of the Presidency based on which party holds it as if we don't have long term memories. What I laugh at the other side the most is their claim to be the party of small government.

President Bush had the same power.

*yawn*.

Bush.

Yep, still cleaning up the mess he left behind.

 

[Jarhead]

She may be mad but she won't do anything other then slap her gums.

IF Obama did apologize is that the same as a confession to a crime?

What crime would that be?


Jeez you guys will believe anything you hear on television.

There is no crime - policy breach - maybe.


There is no federal criminal statute in this matter.

Stop saying stupid stuff.

This is true.

It is not a crime if he breached the law.

But that doesn't mean that he did not commit a crime.

There is another one. A true crime. One that is impeachable.

Many want to say it does not exist....but it does.

He did not release those 5. He pardoned them. They were criminal detainees captured NOT on the battlefield waiting for trial for crimes against Americans. Holder was the one who reminded us all of that.

So he pardoned them.

And then ILLEGALLY used military funds to transport them.

May sound minor.....but that is something a President can not get away with. A precedent needs to be set.

Maybe the next president will pardon someone and use tax payer funds to set him up on a tropical island?

Need to set precedents.

He was out of line. He needed congress to approve the spending.

 

[Jarhead]

"...and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States"

I don't see anywhere in the Constitution that says he needs Congressional approval for any of what you claim. No 30 day waiting period, no having to get Congress to approve of the transportation funds, zero, nada.

are you saying the president can spend money on anything he pleases?

So if he opts to put another 1 million into Michelle's garden and the money was not already approved for the white house asthetics...he can simply tell someone to go to the bank and get it for him?

Really?

It's just hyperbole to say "anything". But he does have wide latitude on spending, especially as CiC.

Actually, he doesn't.

That is why there are budgets passed in congress......

otherwise, he can do pretty much whatever he wants.

And please recall....a pardon is NOT as CiC. That is as President. It has nothing to do with military.

That was his OWN argument. The men in GITYMO are not POW's. They are accused of crimes. They deserve their day in a US court...not a military tribunal.

He said it himself.

 

[JakeStarkey]

the only way he can free a criminal is to pardon him. They were criminals, not POW's. Recall? They wanted to try them in US federal courts because they were charged with CRIMES. Did he pardon them?

Edit: deletion of a personal attack on Jarhead.

Pardon has nothing to do with this.

Really?

And you call me ignorant?

JS...you may learn something if you open your mind.

They are charged with crimes. Not war crimes. Crimes against Americans. That is why Holder believed they should be tried in US Federal Courts.

The President can not declare a criminal "not guilty" and order his release....however he CAN pardon him.

But he can not spend a dime of tax payer money on that pardoned criminal without approval of congress.

He did exactly that this week.

BHO can do almost anything he wants in the conduct of the war.

He does not need your or Congress's approval.

 

[depotoo]

Congress does NOT have the power to stop the POTUS (right or left) from making Military decisions and/or WAIT 30 days before he does...


protected by the Constitution of the United States of America from knee jerk morons playing politics.



Article II, Section 2, Clause 1.


deal with it

Releasing criminals is not the role of the CiC.......now...pay attention......

I am referring to the detainees we have in GITMO.

They are NOT POW's. They are criminals that we sought out and captured to be brought to justice. There is a difference. A BIG difference. They were not enemy soldiers that lost a battle and surrendered to our troops and taken as POW's.

We had special operations to find these particular guys and take them into custody so they could face a trial for their crimes against American. Most were not even on the field of battle and I believe some were found in Pakistan. (not sure about that though).

If you recall....Holder wanted to formally charge them and have them tried in US Federal Courts.

We do not try POW's.

So the president freed criminals. Perhaps for a good cause.....but that is NOT his role as a CiC. That is the role of the justice department.

Unless the President pardons them.

Now, if he pardoned them, then he needed the approval of congress to use tax payer money to transport a pardoned criminal.

Did he do that?

call them anything you like... when Afghanistan ends, the detainees in GITMO are sent home. That's an international law

I just heard acnn analyst state that depends on whether they are labeled enemy combatants rather than a terrorist .

 

[Bush92]

The very nature of this swap was wrong on the face of it. By having a Rose Garden ceremony honoring this guy Obama might as well gone out and pissed on the graves at Arlington.

 

[kaz]

President Bush had the same power.

*yawn*.

Bush.

Yep, still cleaning up the mess he left behind.

You mean still not manning up to your own actions

 

[Siete]

Releasing criminals is not the role of the CiC.......now...pay attention......

I am referring to the detainees we have in GITMO.

They are NOT POW's. They are criminals that we sought out and captured to be brought to justice. There is a difference. A BIG difference. They were not enemy soldiers that lost a battle and surrendered to our troops and taken as POW's.

We had special operations to find these particular guys and take them into custody so they could face a trial for their crimes against American. Most were not even on the field of battle and I believe some were found in Pakistan. (not sure about that though).

If you recall....Holder wanted to formally charge them and have them tried in US Federal Courts.

We do not try POW's.

So the president freed criminals. Perhaps for a good cause.....but that is NOT his role as a CiC. That is the role of the justice department.

Unless the President pardons them.

Now, if he pardoned them, then he needed the approval of congress to use tax payer money to transport a pardoned criminal.

Did he do that?

call them anything you like... when Afghanistan ends, the detainees in GITMO are sent home. That's an international law

I just heard acnn analyst state that depends on whether they are labeled enemy combatants rather than a terrorist .

they haven't been labeled as terrorists or stood trial as terrorists ... detainee is the so called nomenclature ... unlike so many wish would happen, POW's and detainees can't be held after Afghanistan is over, nor can congress delay a POTUS for 30 days from making a military decision.

 

[BlindBoo]

*yawn*.

Bush.

Yep, still cleaning up the mess he left behind.

You mean still not manning up to your own actions

Not cleaning the mess fast enough, boss?