Despite letters of apology from admin, congress furious over Bergdahl deal

[paperview]

Besides, whose to say we haven't microchipped all these dudes and put some other fancy shmancy tracking and listening devices implanted their heads? We've got the secret technology by now, don't we? tinfoil

They've been in Gitmo for 12 years now, and with all the torture we've put them through, how would they know?

;/

 

[JakeStarkey]

I found this interesting from that article.

The uproar over Bergdahl extended even to his hometown, the rural hamlet of Hailey, Idaho, where officials canceled plans to hold a celebration this month. They cited security concerns after being inundated with negative emails and angry phone calls.

Why he did it? Congress can't be trusted not to leak. The circus to follow could have scuttled the deal

He broke the law.

He said he would ignore that 30 day notification requirement under certain circumstances when that law conflicted with his duties as Commander in Chief, so in this case he is a man of his word.

He had the constitutional authority to do as he did, and he had earlier issued the signing statement, as all presidents, notably Bush the Younger, have done.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Curious....

He does not apologize for the deal. His reason is simple.....Bring him home is a priority at all costs. We o not leave our soldier in uniform behind.

We get it.

So if the Taliban insisted ALL detainees at GITMO be released along with 1 Billion dollars and twenty F-18's........or no deal....

Would he make that deal as well?

Or would he leave the man behind.

Silly question deserves the right answer: none.

 

[Vigilante]

After the Sunday news shows a verb has come into use.

New Verb: Rice!



Rice: verb; lie, fabricate, make up out of thin air to manipulate public opinion

 

[JakeStarkey]

Better translation. We have To Yurt, Yurting, Yurtingly.

We now have To Vigilante: verb; lie, fabricate, make up out of thin air to manipulate V's ego

 

[Jarhead]

Curious....

He does not apologize for the deal. His reason is simple.....Bring him home is a priority at all costs. We o not leave our soldier in uniform behind.

We get it.

So if the Taliban insisted ALL detainees at GITMO be released along with 1 Billion dollars and twenty F-18's........or no deal....

Would he make that deal as well?

Or would he leave the man behind.

Silly question deserves the right answer: none.

In other words....

Dam, I don't know what to say so I will criticize the question.

Typical of you JS.

Silly? Really?

Hmmm.....he just announced on international TV (paraphrased) that If you take any of our men or women in uniform, we will do whatever we have to in an effort to get him/her back because we never leave them behind.

So what makes you think the next "kidnapping" wont result in a demand for all detainees?

Heck, if I were the Taliban, I would insist on the world in return because The US just said they will never leave someone behind.

I find it telling that you see that as "silly"....

 

[Vigilante]

Better translation. We have To Yurt, Yurting, Yurtingly.

We now have To Vigilante: verb; lie, fabricate, make up out of thin air to manipulate V's ego

Yup, I see the FOR RENT sign on the front of your head, and I'm not even close to you...yet

Damn, how come you left REP FROG so soon?

 

[peach174]

Obama carried out his constitutional duty as CiC.

Doesn't matter what Congress or critics think.

He did the right thing, and it won't hurt his party in the elections.

He broke the law. He admitted it.
He let 5 Top Taliban Leaders go.
Now they can build up their base again and do the same thing that they did before.
Now it's going to be even worse because they have more hate and vendetta's to fulfill.
All of our Soldiers died in vain because of this stupid move Jake.

None of this matters, peach. Obama has the constitutional authority to do what he did.

Tell that to Sen. Dianne Feinstein who is extremely upset over this.
Just because Obama issued a signing statement contending that the notification requirement was an unconstitutional infringement on his powers as commander in chief and that he therefore could override it does not make this right.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Someone with a source please clarify:

Does the Congress have veto power over a Commander-in-Chief's decision to make a prisoner swap?

Not after it already happened, that is why he didn't bother telling them. Or do you think that the Qatar will return the five?

That wasn't my question. Does Congress have veto power or not?

 

[koshergrl]

Someone with a source please clarify:

Does the Congress have veto power over a Commander-in-Chief's decision to make a prisoner swap?

Why don't you clarify?

Nothing more annoying than trolls who, instead of sharing information they have, demand that others go and find it.

 

[Plasmaball]

Obama carried out his constitutional duty as CiC.

Doesn't matter what Congress or critics think.

He did the right thing, and it won't hurt his party in the elections.

Jake he didn't give Congress the required 30 day notification. He broke the law.

And to return the 5 top echelon Taliban members is going to come back to haunt the US.
He let go a known mass murderer who massacred innocent Afghan civilians on quite a regular basis.

He doesn't need to give 30 days..they changed that in the ndaa. Furthermore this plan has been in the works since at least 2012...Congress knew about it then.

You have nothing

 

[BlindBoo]

He broke the law. He admitted it.
He let 5 Top Taliban Leaders go.
Now they can build up their base again and do the same thing that they did before.
Now it's going to be even worse because they have more hate and vendetta's to fulfill.
All of our Soldiers died in vain because of this stupid move Jake.

None of this matters, peach. Obama has the constitutional authority to do what he did.

Tell that to Sen. Dianne Feinstein who is extremely upset over this.
Just because Obama issued a signing statement contending that the notification requirement was an unconstitutional infringement on his powers as commander in chief and that he therefore could override it does not make this right.

Congress should stop putting micro managing regulatory mandates in Appropriation Bills. He had the authority to do this under Powers granted to the President by the Constitution, not because he made a signing statement on the bill.

 

[Freewill]

None of this matters, peach. Obama has the constitutional authority to do what he did.

Tell that to Sen. Dianne Feinstein who is extremely upset over this.
Just because Obama issued a signing statement contending that the notification requirement was an unconstitutional infringement on his powers as commander in chief and that he therefore could override it does not make this right.

Congress should stop putting micro managing regulatory mandates in Appropriation Bills. He had the authority to do this under Powers granted to the President by the Constitution, not because he made a signing statement on the bill.

Could you quote the text?

 

[Freewill]

Obama carried out his constitutional duty as CiC.

Doesn't matter what Congress or critics think.

He did the right thing, and it won't hurt his party in the elections.

Jake he didn't give Congress the required 30 day notification. He broke the law.

And to return the 5 top echelon Taliban members is going to come back to haunt the US.
He let go a known mass murderer who massacred innocent Afghan civilians on quite a regular basis.

He doesn't need to give 30 days..they changed that in the ndaa. Furthermore this plan has been in the works since at least 2012...Congress knew about it then.

You have nothing

Tell Fienstein, or is she grandstanding? Or as I suspect very ignorant?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Someone with a source please clarify:

Does the Congress have veto power over a Commander-in-Chief's decision to make a prisoner swap?

Obviously not since all Congress is doing is the usual: false indignation and phony fury.

I personally think Bergdahl has something that the military wants but we will never know what it is. It's not about his health, wealth or happiness, or "bringin' 'em all home". Where's Edward Snowden when you need him?

 

[Plasmaball]

Jake he didn't give Congress the required 30 day notification. He broke the law.

And to return the 5 top echelon Taliban members is going to come back to haunt the US.
He let go a known mass murderer who massacred innocent Afghan civilians on quite a regular basis.

He doesn't need to give 30 days..they changed that in the ndaa. Furthermore this plan has been in the works since at least 2012...Congress knew about it then.

You have nothing

Tell Fienstein, or is she grandstanding? Or as I suspect very ignorant?

Grandstanding I'd assume....he is cic he doesn't need to inform anyone..Presidents from Washington too Obama have done this with military matters.

 

[BlindBoo]

Tell that to Sen. Dianne Feinstein who is extremely upset over this.
Just because Obama issued a signing statement contending that the notification requirement was an unconstitutional infringement on his powers as commander in chief and that he therefore could override it does not make this right.

Congress should stop putting micro managing regulatory mandates in Appropriation Bills. He had the authority to do this under Powers granted to the President by the Constitution, not because he made a signing statement on the bill.

Could you quote the text?

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

It doesn't say "after giving Congress a 30 day notice......."

 

[Freewill]

Obama carried out his constitutional duty as CiC.

Doesn't matter what Congress or critics think.

He did the right thing, and it won't hurt his party in the elections.

His duty is first to follow the law, he admits he didn't. But you need not worry I doubt there even is a penalty in the law so your boss will skate.

His duty as CiC to conduct the war as he sees fit; if that conflicts with the law, so be it.

Gosh almighty you must have been very happy with GWB and Nixon and their conduct of the war. Kill Americans without due process, OK with Jake as long as it supports his democrat handlers.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvyDn1TPr8]Nixon - When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Freewill]

Congress should stop putting micro managing regulatory mandates in Appropriation Bills. He had the authority to do this under Powers granted to the President by the Constitution, not because he made a signing statement on the bill.

Could you quote the text?

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

It doesn't say "after giving Congress a 30 day notice......."

OK, was this guy reprieved or pardoned? Do you understand the definitions?

re·prieve
/riˈprēv/
verb
3rd person present: reprieves

1. cancel or postpone the punishment of (someone, especially someone condemned to death).
"under the new regime, prisoners under sentence of death were reprieved"
synonyms: grant a stay of execution to, pardon, spare, grant an amnesty to, amnesty;
"less than two hours ago the governor reprieved him"

•abandon or postpone plans to close or put an end to (something).
"the threatened pits could be reprieved"

"the project has been reprieved"

noun

plural noun: reprieves

1. a cancellation or postponement of a punishment.

synonyms: stay of execution, remission, pardon, amnesty; More

I assume you know what pardon means.

 

[Jarhead]

None of this matters, peach. Obama has the constitutional authority to do what he did.

Tell that to Sen. Dianne Feinstein who is extremely upset over this.
Just because Obama issued a signing statement contending that the notification requirement was an unconstitutional infringement on his powers as commander in chief and that he therefore could override it does not make this right.

Congress should stop putting micro managing regulatory mandates in Appropriation Bills. He had the authority to do this under Powers granted to the President by the Constitution, not because he made a signing statement on the bill.

You seem to forget that these detainees are not POW's. They were labeled BY THIS ADMINISTRATION as criminals...thus why he wanted to have them tried in US federal courts.

Now, yes, the President has the right to pardon a criminal without congressional approval, but he does not have the right to free them and use taxpayer money to transport them without congressional approval.

Well, he did not pardon those guys...at least not with an official Presidential pardon.....and he DID use taxpayer money to transport them without approval of congress.

So don't be so quick to repeat a CiC's authority......for it may not be applicable here.

Time will tell.