Dems want Laws changed after Rittenhouse shootings. Are vigilantes the answer? (Poll)

iceberg · Dec 30, 2021

JoeB131 said:
yes, we know you are a racist,and you can pull this bullshit number out of your ass.

Would they? Seems to me that other methods of suicide would be a lot more trouble.

cause if you're in enough pain to kill yourself, you'll look for the easiest way to do it.

just stop.

JoeB131 · Dec 30, 2021

2aguy said:
This is a lie by omission.....you have always been called out when you used the term "acquaintance" murder because you know it means the rival gang member murdering the other gang member...they know each other...dittos, the drug dealer killed by the drug user, the one criminal murdering the other criminal...so you now drop "acquaintance...."

You can spooge the thread with this crap.. but the cops know who killed most people. Clearance means they just couldn't put together the evidence to make an arrest that will hold up in court, not that they didn't know who did it.

JoeB131 · Dec 30, 2021

iceberg said:
cause if you're in enough pain to kill yourself, you'll look for the easiest way to do it.

Most people who off themselves aren't in pain...

Bob Blaylock · Dec 30, 2021

JoeB131 said:
We lock up 2 million people
We have 7 million on probation or parole

Yes, I want the police held accountable, but our reforms have to go beyond the police.

Look, we realize you belong to a bloodthirsty cult, but our punitive approach isn't working. I mean, you could make an argument if what you guys were doing was actually, you know, working. But it isn't. It's actually MAKING THE PROBLEM WORSE.

Only a subhuman criminal; piece of shit such as you very obviously are, takes the side of other subhuman criminal pieces of shit the way you do, against the side of actual human beings.

Your agenda is very obvious. Being a subhuman criminal piece of shit, you want policies to be in effect that allow you and your kind to more freely, easily, and safely commit acts of theft, destruction and violence against actual human beings, with as little risk to yourself of adverse consequences for your behavior.

You are not fooling anyone here, except possibly yourself.

JoeB131 · Dec 30, 2021

Bob Blaylock said:
Only a subhuman criminal; piece of shit such as you very obviously are, takes the side of other subhuman criminal pieces of shit the way you do, against the side of actual human beings.

Your agenda is very obvious. Being a subhuman criminal piece of shit, you want policies to be in effect that allow you and your kind to more freely, easily, and safely commit acts of theft, destruction and violence against actual human beings, with as little risk to yourself of adverse consequences for your behavior.

You are not fooling anyone here, except possibly yourself.

Okay, buddy... So you can find my criminal record, right. When you find my criminal record, let me know.

Doesn't your sky pixie tell you that lying is wrong? Oh, wait, you're a Mormon. You people have been lying since Joseph Smith told his less-smart neighbors he was talking to Jesus.

Okay, one more time. Let's try to find common ground. We both would like to see crime rates go down.

The question becomes - HOW DO YOU GET THERE?

What you and 2TinyGuy want, which involves more guns, more prisons, and more thuggish police is what we've been doing the last 40 years... and it hasn't improved crime. It's made things worse. It's made people LESS likely to trust the police, less likely to turn their lives around once they've made a mistake., and more likely to have a minor spat involve an exchange of bullets.

So how about looking at what other countries with lower crime rates are doing?

Reserve prison for people who are TRULY dangerous.
Treat Addiction as a medical issue and not a criminal one.
Create programs to treat the mentally ill.
Make it harder for unstable people to get guns.

Bob Blaylock · Dec 30, 2021

JoeB131 said:
Okay, buddy... So you can find my criminal record, right. When you find my criminal record, let me know.

I don't need it.

You consistently, openly take the side of subhuman criminal; pieces of shit against that of human beings. Always, without fail.

If you were an actual human being, then you would be on the side of human beings, and not on the side of subhuman criminal pieces of shit.

You are known by the company that you choose to keep; and in this case, that is all the proof that anyone needs in order to know who and what you are.

JoeB131 · Dec 30, 2021

Bob Blaylock said:
I don't need it.

You consistently, openly take the side of subhuman criminal; pieces of shit against that of human beings. Always, without fail.

If you were an actual human being, then you would be on the side of human beings, and not on the side of subhuman criminal pieces of shit.

You are known by the company that you choose to keep; and in this case, that is all the proof that anyone needs in order to know who and what you are.

You work on a basic flaw... compassion for people who are less fortunate does not mean animus towards the more fortunate.

Now, if I were an awful person, I would say, "I live in a nice suburb, I have a nice house and a nice vacation property, I make good money, and I'm about five years from retirement. I've got mine, fuck you."

But I recognize that our racial and economic disparities aren't good for the country.

Neither you or I have ever had to go to bed hungry... the value of being white in America.

It's very easy to be "moral" with a full stomach.

Bob Blaylock · Dec 30, 2021

JoeB131 said:
You work on a basic flaw... compassion for people who are less fortunate does not mean animus towards the more fortunate.

It's not people for which you are showing “compassion”. It's criminals. Subhuman creatures who harm people. Your own kind.

Your concern for these animals puts the lie to any concern that you may claim to have for actual people.

JoeB131 · Dec 30, 2021

Bob Blaylock said:
It's not people for which you are showing “compassion”. It's criminals. Subhuman creatures who harm people. Your own kind.

Your concern for these animals puts the lie to any concern that you may claim to have for actual people.

Here's the problem... I am going to try to engage you intellectually, rather than my usual mocking of your religion or general mean-spiritedness.

Some people are outright sociopaths... Think a Gacy or a Bundy. No compassion for them at all. They have a head full of bad wiring and the best we can hope for is to get them out of circulation before they hurt more people. Shouldn't execute them, that makes us no better than them. But lock them up for the rest of their lives, sure.

Some people are folks who due the circumstances of their lives, are driven by desperation to do desperate things. Again, going back to my point, it's easy to be an angel in paradise. It's easy to judge someone who has a substance abuse problem if you don't have one. It's easy to judge someone who steals to feed himself if you've never gone hungry. It's easy to judge the BLM protestor if you have never been harassed by the police in your life. It is kind of our duty as a just society to try to salvage them if we can.

People make mistakes. Now, contrary to your fantasies, I'm not a criminal, never had a more serious incident than a traffic ticket. But there by the grace of (insert deity here) go I. I grew up in a middle class household, I've had opportunities by virtue of being white, straight and male, and yes, I've put in the extra effort to get things that I wanted (by joining the military, going to college, starting my own business).

You strike me as a person with serious anger issues... I could honestly see you doing harm to someone under the right circumstances. I could imagine what you would do if you encountered real adversity... I don't think it would end well.

No one should be damned for a single mistake. Held accountable, yes. Whether it be a street kid or a cop that panics and puts sixteen rounds into a street kid. But the priority should also be put on can we turn this person's life around... If Rush Limbaugh can get drug rehab, so should the street kid.

I rarely cite the bible, but I am reminded of the parable of the Prodigal Son, where the father is happy when his misbehaving son comes back and repents. Sure, we can take the attitude of the other son, I never screwed up, why is he getting special treatment. Or we can take joy that there are people who can be turned around.

Guns and prisons aren't going to get us there.

2aguy · Dec 30, 2021

JoeB131 said:
Here's the problem... I am going to try to engage you intellectually, rather than my usual mocking of your religion or general mean-spiritedness.

Some people are outright sociopaths... Think a Gacy or a Bundy. No compassion for them at all. They have a head full of bad wiring and the best we can hope for is to get them out of circulation before they hurt more people. Shouldn't execute them, that makes us no better than them. But lock them up for the rest of their lives, sure.

Some people are folks who due the circumstances of their lives, are driven by desperation to do desperate things. Again, going back to my point, it's easy to be an angel in paradise. It's easy to judge someone who has a substance abuse problem if you don't have one. It's easy to judge someone who steals to feed himself if you've never gone hungry. It's easy to judge the BLM protestor if you have never been harassed by the police in your life. It is kind of our duty as a just society to try to salvage them if we can.

People make mistakes. Now, contrary to your fantasies, I'm not a criminal, never had a more serious incident than a traffic ticket. But there by the grace of (insert deity here) go I. I grew up in a middle class household, I've had opportunities by virtue of being white, straight and male, and yes, I've put in the extra effort to get things that I wanted (by joining the military, going to college, starting my own business).

You strike me as a person with serious anger issues... I could honestly see you doing harm to someone under the right circumstances. I could imagine what you would do if you encountered real adversity... I don't think it would end well.

No one should be damned for a single mistake. Held accountable, yes. Whether it be a street kid or a cop that panics and puts sixteen rounds into a street kid. But the priority should also be put on can we turn this person's life around... If Rush Limbaugh can get drug rehab, so should the street kid.

I rarely cite the bible, but I am reminded of the parable of the Prodigal Son, where the father is happy when his misbehaving son comes back and repents. Sure, we can take the attitude of the other son, I never screwed up, why is he getting special treatment. Or we can take joy that there are people who can be turned around.

Guns and prisons aren't going to get us there.

No one should be damned for a single mistake.

These aren't single mistakes, moron........

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Rigby5 · Dec 30, 2021

JoeB131 said:
Really? I missed the part where there's a heroin shop on every corner. Or where we've locked up hundreds of thousands of gun dealers.

Do you really want to compare the DEA to the ATF? Because the DEA gets a lot more resources.

Actually, we don't hear about the IRA because the Irish themselves stamped them out.

Uh, guy, 83% of gun homicides are people who are shot by family members, friends or neighbors. And for every gun homicide you have two gun suicides. As Pogo said.

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But yeah, a guy was let off with a minor bond for a minor crime. That's the problem when you have a prison-industrial complex. Eventually, you have to make decisions on who to let out, and sometimes they guess wrong.

It's not like we are going to fix racism, poverty, addiction, lack of mental health treatment and gun proliferation like the Europeans have... because that would be silly.

Yet you are the one who wants them to have easy access to guns, Mormon Bob. Of course, most perpetrators of gun violence are not "criminals", they are regular people who got a gun and used it in a domestic argument.

Nonsense.
Obviously when I referred to drugs being equally illegal to guns, I was referring to Europe where guns are illegal.
But you totally ignored the part where I explained that making drugs illegal did not at all reduce their availability.
There is no one who has any trouble getting drugs or guns, any where in the world.
If you claim any drug or gun prohibition anywhere works, you would be lying.

And no, the IRA was NOT at all "stamped out".
The IRA was negotiated into giving up their arms voluntarily, but the government making concessions and allowing IRA member into Northern Ireland Parliament.

You admitted that gun murders are not a problem, since they are far less than gun suicides.
But what do you have against gun suicide?
Almost everyone eventually is going to want to commit suicide, and that is their right.
After a certain point, it is wrong for people to be forced into a vegetative state.
They have a right to prevent that if they want.

And no, the main use of guns is not "domestic arguments".
Even the DOJ admits there are over 1 million potentially violent crimes that are prevented by an armed citizen.
That is vastly higher than the 10 or 20 thousand improper uses of firearms you are complaining about.

Clearly the history of the world shows that all governments tend towards corruption, and the only solution to government corruption has always only been an armed population of citizens.

WTH_Progs? · Dec 30, 2021

Check out this. Look how clearly this shows the thug with pistol in hand demonstrating Rittenhouse was justified.

I wonder why Trump calls the media a fraud, anyone?

Rigby5 · Dec 30, 2021

WTH_Progs? said:
Check out this. Look how clearly this shows the thug with pistol in hand clearly demonstrating Rittenhouse was justified.

I wonder why Trump calls the media a fraud, anyone?

That's ridiculous.
Kyle has already killed 2 people, so it was perfectly reasonable for a trained and uniformed MedTech to be concerned about who was doing the shooting.
And clearly Grosskreutz could easily have shot Kyle if he wanted to, as Kyle's rifle misfired and had to be recycled.
There was no excuse for Kyle shooting Grosskreutz.

Bob Blaylock · Dec 31, 2021

JoeB131 said:
Now, contrary to your fantasies, I'm not a criminal…

If that were true, then you would not consistently take the side of subhuman criminal pieces of shit, against the side of actual human beings, the way that you always do.

You are known by the company that you keep.

You are not fooling anyone. It is clear enough what you are and all the lies in the world will not hide it.

WTH_Progs? · Dec 31, 2021

Rigby5 said:
That's ridiculous.
Kyle has already killed 2 people, so it was perfectly reasonable for a trained and uniformed MedTech to be concerned about who was doing the shooting.
And clearly Grosskreutz could easily have shot Kyle if he wanted to, as Kyle's rifle misfired and had to be recycled.
There was no excuse for Kyle shooting Grosskreutz.

You missed the part he was chasing Kyle with a pistol in hand, which all Kyle saw was a guy chasing him with a pistol in hand.

ILMAO at "medtech".

JoeB131 · Dec 31, 2021

2aguy said:
These aren't single mistakes, moron........

Nope, they are a reflection of a racist society that doesn't provide opportunities.

Quit Spooging the page with your crime porn.

Bob Blaylock said:
If that were true, then you would not consistently take the side of subhuman criminal pieces of shit, against the side of actual human beings, the way that you always do.

The fact you want to classify minorities as "sub-human" makes you kind of a racist.

Then again, you do belong to a cult that calls dark skin a curse from God.

As for crime, we have brought that on ourselves, haven't we? We refuse to fix the underlying causes of crime, and then we complain about it. Then we act all surprised when it erupts into something like last year's riots.

I wasn't surprised by last year's riots, I had predicted them for years.

JoeB131 · Dec 31, 2021

Rigby5 said:
Nonsense.
Obviously when I referred to drugs being equally illegal to guns, I was referring to Europe where guns are illegal.
But you totally ignored the part where I explained that making drugs illegal did not at all reduce their availability.
There is no one who has any trouble getting drugs or guns, any where in the world.
If you claim any drug or gun prohibition anywhere works, you would be lying.

except, again, they laws work fine in Europe or Japan... The US is the only country with a severe gun fetish where 21% of the population gets to terrorize the rest of us.

Rigby5 said:
You admitted that gun murders are not a problem, since they are far less than gun suicides.

I said no such thing, but your reading comprehension is wrong. It's like that Condo thread, where I explained my situation about six times and you STILL didn't understand it.

I can't tell you how much I love my new place, BTW.

Rigby5 said:
Almost everyone eventually is going to want to commit suicide, and that is their right.

Um, no, it isn't. Frankly, I can't think of anything more selfish than committing suicide, because someone ends up finding that body.

Rigby5 said:
After a certain point, it is wrong for people to be forced into a vegetative state.
They have a right to prevent that if they want.

Except most people who kill themselves with guns in the home aren't terminally ill. It's usually some bullshit like "My girlfriend dumped me".

Rigby5 said:
Even the DOJ admits there are over 1 million potentially violent crimes that are prevented by an armed citizen.
That is vastly higher than the 10 or 20 thousand improper uses of firearms you are complaining about.

Uh, no. Those numbers are bullshit. At the risk of DickTiny spooging the thread with his DGU nonsense, here's why that's unbelievable.

The FBI actually lists DGU's at 39,000, not millions. The numbers for DGU's range from 39,000 to 5 million, all of which are questionable, because you can't even come up with a clear definition of a DGU.

SO, the thing we do know, according to the FBI, is the number of justified homicides by civilians with guns is 200 a year. (There are also 1000 police shootings of civilians, which are almost always ruled as "justified", which just means no one caught them putting the drop piece on them.)

So what you are to believe is that all these gun nuts out there with their guns, waiting for their chance to shoot a scary black person... I mean, sorry, a "sub-human", if you listen to Mormon Bob pretending he is totally not racist... and they have 39,000 or a million opportunities to shoot someone... and 99% of the time they don't?

kyzr · Dec 31, 2021

JoeB131 said:
except, again, the laws work fine in Europe or Japan... The US is the only country with a severe gun fetish where 21% of the population gets to terrorize the rest of us.

...does Europe or Japan have the crime, gangs, and "flash mobs" that US cities have? Hint: NO

This couple (both democrats) defended their home from a mob that broke into their development.
Who did the DA prosecute, the couple or the rioting trespassing mob?

JoeB131 · Dec 31, 2021

kyzr said:
...does Europe or Japan have the crime, gangs, and "flash mobs" that US cities have? Hint: NO

Okay, let's look at that. They actually do have frequent demonstrations.

They don't have our crime levels because they don't treat addiction as a crime, they treat it as a medical issue. They have extensive programs for treating the mentally ill instead of letting them wander the streets.

kyzr said:
This couple (both democrats) defended their home from a mob that broke into their development.
Who did the DA prosecute, the couple or the rioting trespassing mob?

Well, the thing was , the demonstrators didn't break any laws. They walked on a public sidewalk in a common area.

The couple, however, illegally brandished weapons in a threatening manner, which is against the law. Also, they looked really fucking silly doing it.

Bob Blaylock · Dec 31, 2021

JoeB131 said:
The fact you want to classify minorities as "sub-human" makes you kind of a racist.

I did not say anything about race or minorities.

I'm talking about criminals. Subhuman creatures that commit acts of theft, violence, and destruction against human beings,

It has nothing whatsoever to do with race, and everything to do with behavior. Criminals come in all colors and races, just as actual human beings do.

It is you that is trying to conflate race with criminality; which shows that it is you that is the racist.

But the fact that you consistently and unerringly take the side of criminals, against that of human beings, demonstrates that there is much worse that is wrong with you than merely being a racist.

Dems want Laws changed after Rittenhouse shootings. Are vigilantes the answer? (Poll)

Do you support vigilantes policing neighborhoods when the police are unavailable?

Yes, people have the right to protect their lives and property

No, criminals have every right to burn, steal, and kill.

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