Dems To Fund Troops - NO SURRENDER DATE

[red states rule]

It seems Dems are going to cave on their surrender date, and fund the troops (as they should have done four months ago)

Pres Bush had the Dems cornered all along, and this is not going to play well with the anti war left


Deal Near to Fund Iraq War Without Troop Withdrawal
Tuesday, May 22, 2007

WASHINGTON — Congressional leaders indicated Tuesday that a compromise is near over how to fund U.S. troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan after Democrats confirmed they will abandon plans to include a troop withdrawal timetable in the war supplemental spending measure.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer pledged that Democrats would try to include a timetable for withdrawal in next year's spending bills.

"We can't pass something without the president's signature and the president can't pass something without our agreement," Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters. "So we can be at a standoff and go back and forth at each other, or we can come to an agreement."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid refused to call the compromise a defeat.

"I don't think there's any way you can stretch saying whatever we decided to do in this legislation is a defeat, for heaven's sake, look where we've come. We've come a long, long way," Reid, D-Nev., told reporters on Capitol Hill.

Reid vowed to continue pushing to change the direction of the war in Iraq through the upcoming defense appropriations bill, expecting to vote on the 2008 fiscal year funding measure Thursday night or Friday.


For complete article

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274559,00.html

 

[Care4all]

funded until september, when those repubs who also decided to 'surrender' come september ...the ones that made the visit to the whitehouse telling the president, enough is enough.... will vote with the dems to cut off funds and override the veto....

care

 

[red states rule]

funded until september, when those repubs who also decided to 'surrender' come september ...the ones that made the visit to the whitehouse telling the president, enough is enough.... will vote with the dems to cut off funds and override the veto....

care

Dems do NOT have the political guts to cut off funding

No wonder the approval numbers for your party are in the toilet

Tax increases, pork, more travel perks, changing the rules of the House, ethics problems, and pudhing for surrender

I do hope the Dems keep up the good work Care

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Well considering that things are now being marginally reported as improving in the press one of two things will happen before September...

One, the Libs will be more specific on what it is the Terrorists must do before the deadline to keep the " we have lost line" going

Two, the Republicans will not vote against the President because in fact we are succeeding.

 

[red states rule]

Well considering that things are now being marginally reported as improving in the press one of two things will happen before September...

One, the Libs will be more specific on what it is the Terrorists must do before the deadline to keep the " we have lost line" going

Two, the Republicans will not vote against the President because in fact we are succeeding.

Do you think the Dems 27% approval rating had anything with their surrender to Pres Bush?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Do you think the Dems 27% approval rating had anything with their surrender to Pres Bush?

Yes. Historically Congress not the President, gets blamed for impasses like this. Happened in the 80's with Reagan and would have happened in the 90's under Clinton if he had any balls or credibility.

 

[red states rule]

Yes. Historically Congress not the President, gets blamed for impasses like this. Happened in the 80's with Reagan and would have happened in the 90's under Clinton if he had any balls or credibility.

Looks like MM will have to get updated talking points before jumping into this thread

 

[Truthmatters]

Seems to me someone has forgotten how many bills Bill vetoed.

Yeah Im dissapointed in them but not alot they could do with not enough to over ride a veto.

Like Care said maybe the Congressional Rs will grow some brass ones by sept.

The have said for the second time now "If it doesnt work by (fill in a date)".

 

[red states rule]

Seems to me someone has forgotten how many bills Bill vetoed.

Yeah Im dissapointed in them but not alot they could do with not enough to over ride a veto.

Like Care said maybe the Congressional Rs will grow some brass ones by sept.

The have said for the second time now "If it doesnt work by (fill in a date)".

It is the Dems who caved

They see their falling poll numbers and perhaps they are beginning to understand voters do NOT want the US to surrender

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Looks like MM will have to get updated talking points before jumping into this thread

They never had a chance. The Senate is not going to play ball and the only reason the bill made it to the President's desk was he told the Republicans to let him VETO it. He played the cards the right way. The ones with egg on the face are the Democrats.

Doesn't help they are planning ( or talking) about seriously undermining the process in the House with changes that they promised would never occur. Someone has forgotten that the "majority" has 20 or so "conservative" democrats in it, these people did not get elected to cut and run.

 

[red states rule]

They never had a chance. The Senate is not going to play ball and the only reason the bill made it to the President's desk was he told the Republicans to let him VETO it. He played the cards the right way. The ones with egg on the face are the Democrats.

Doesn't help they are planning ( or talking) about seriously undermining the process in the House with changes that they promised would never occur. Someone has forgotten that the "majority" has 20 or so "conservative" democrats in it, these people did not get elected to cut and run.

It will be fun to watch the reaction of the Movon.org nuts and Sugar daddy Soros

The Dems are in total meltdown and disarray. They made so many promisies to their base and not kept a single one

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Until the Democrats kick the far left to the curb they are going to continue to lose. The majority of American voters are not Republican or Democrat, they are Independent and generally moderate.

 

[red states rule]

Until the Democrats kick the far left to the curb they are going to continue to lose. The majority of American voters are not Republican or Democrat, they are Independent and generally moderate.

It shows how far gone the Dems are when they made Howie Dean thier Chairmen

The only smart thing the Dems have done was run very conservatove Dems in 06. Most of them could have run as Republicans and they still would have won

 

[Truthmatters]

funny you guys are talking this way when you party got creamed last election and 08 is projected to be a Republican disastor by all

 

[red states rule]

funny you guys are talking this way when you party got creamed last election and 08 is projected to be a Republican disastor by all

You expect the Dems to rebound from their 27% approval rating?

Polls are showing Rudy destroying Hillary

What poll are you talking about? The Air America Phone poll where all 183 listeners cast their vote?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You would think the Liberals had learned anything from previous "polls" in previous elections.... You remember the ones that said Gore would win ( Ohh wait, Bush stole the election, my bad) the ones that said in 2002 that the dems would win, the ones that said Kerry would win and the dems would take congress in 2004..... And of course there is 2006 where the liberals had to let conservatives in the party to win a marginal majority.

 

[red states rule]

You would think the Liberals had learned anything from previous "polls" in previous elections.... You remember the ones that said Gore would win ( Ohh wait, Bush stole the election, my bad) the ones that said in 2002 that the dems would win, the ones that said Kerry would win and the dems would take congress in 2004..... And of course there is 2006 where the liberals had to let conservatives in the party to win a marginal majority.

Hey - you must have forgot how those elections were stolen by another great right wing conspiracy

 

[maineman]

yeah...sarge...you're right.... polls are stupid... you should not worry about them at all. America remains in love with the republican party. they can't wait to give you the white house for another eight years. Don't you worry about those inconsequential democrats. You guys have obviously got the winning formula now, don't you. Well...of course there IS the 11/06 election results, but hey, that's just more poll numbers in the long run. Never you mind!

 

[red states rule]

yeah...sarge...you're right.... polls are stupid... you should not worry about them at all. America remains in love with the republican party. they can't wait to give you the white house for another eight years. Don't you worry about those inconsequential democrats. You guys have obviously got the winning formula now, don't you. Well...of course there IS the 11/06 election results, but hey, that's just more poll numbers in the long run. Never you mind!

Since the day the Dems took over their approval rating has been going down

 

[red states rule]

yeah...sarge...you're right.... polls are stupid... you should not worry about them at all. America remains in love with the republican party. they can't wait to give you the white house for another eight years. Don't you worry about those inconsequential democrats. You guys have obviously got the winning formula now, don't you. Well...of course there IS the 11/06 election results, but hey, that's just more poll numbers in the long run. Never you mind!

The anti war left is not in a good mood

These are the nuts that give money and vote

This situation is a collapse for Democrats. We had a strong start, pushed back against the President’s failed policy and held our ground that the supplemental should include binding language to end the war. But now, as Congress gets ready to send the President a bill that does nothing to get our troops out of Iraq, we are just folding our cards. As one person commented under Greg Sargent’s great post at TPM cafe, "Send the Congressional Dems over to my place for some poker - I could use a windfall right now."

This is no time to back down. This fight to end the war isn’t something that we can just put off or kick down the road. As mcjoan pointed out, it doesn’t make any sense to wait until this "mythical September" when Republicans will suddenly decide that we need to get out of Iraq. Why should this wait until September? First Americans had to put up with a Republican Congress that did nothing, and now we are faced with a Democratic Congress that is giving the President exactly what he wants – continuing his failed policy and leaving our troops stuck in the middle of a civil war. Some strategy. We can’t back down when the stakes are so high. I know you’ll keep ratcheting up the pressure, and that’s exactly what we need right now. Now is the time to be pulling out all the stops to end the war.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/22/121834/274