Good on you. Respect given
I seldom post but I read a lot. For months, anyone that was voting for Trump was called stupid, an idiot, uneducated, racist, redneck, blah, blah, blah. So, when you say stooping to their level, you mean the Clinton supporters' level, correct? So many people have been on their high horse, not realizing how short their horse's legs were. True colors, funny, both sides have shown that, there were threads here already thinking they were going to rub the "trumpsters" nose in their loss, before the results were announced. You are a little too late telling them to stay classy aren't you?
Don't be so dramatic, it's not an all or nothing game. Trump is going to make some mistakes and do things that YOU don't agree with. But he also has the potential to make some things better and progress our country. My whole point is that we should be objective. Critique the things you disagree with but also support and acknowledge the good things. Those who are out solely to obstruct and discredit sieve no purpose and only bog down our system. We've seen how negative it can be, just look at the past 8 years
I've been saying it all along. Ive never supported the partisan BS. I had major issues with a guy like trump being ascending into power as he represented a division that goes against my view of America, and the language and attacks that he used in his campaign showed complete lack of respect and character. That's just the truth, and I'm saddened that he was rewarded for taking that approach.
Again with the drama. Nothing has even happened yet and "I" didn't Grant anybody power, the people did, Trump did not have my vote. We have the best political system in the world and it is set up in a way that one man can't destroy our nation. If he sucks he is gone in 4 years, but give him a chance to do something. If you disagree with something he is doing gen voice your objections but in the meantime stop wetting your diapers
Not a game at all. I've had a knot in my stomach since last night and am still trying to wipe away the disgust I feel with how this election went.
You are upset because you didn't get your way, that is understandable, but you are arguing to obstruct just for the sake of obstruction even though no actions have been performed... Why? Because you don't like the guy? Yeah, I think it is fair to say you are being over dramatic.
We have an election process which is defined in our constitution and which has been our process since the inception of our country. We are a republic and the people elect our representatives. We elected Trump through that system. The world and our country does not revolve around YOU and what YOU want.
Thats your opinion and thats fine, I have mine. Out of curiosity which countries system of government do you prefer to ours?
There are many ways he could improve your life, but ultimately you are the judge of that. I think it would be fair to say that if he cleaned up some of our government programs, was able to cut taxes while maintaining a stable budget, spurred economic growth to better manage our debt, improved on our trade deals to incentivize companies to come back or stay in our country, creates more jobs, etc etc etc. There are many things that could happen. I for one did not agree with some of his ideas, many in fact I thought were horrible ideas, but we shall see what he puts on the table. I'm willing to listen and observe before voicing my objections. Unlike you who thinks it appropriate to do so with blinders on. Yes i'll say again, you are being dramatic and inflammatory and you are doing exactly what the republicans did to Obama, which infuriated the left for so many years. That makes you no better than them.
nor did I
If something happens, whether it be a proposed law, executive action, even a policy speech, that you disagree with I am all for people voicing their opinions/objections to it. Don't mistake my message as promoting passive inaction and suppression of ones values.
I don't think any of those systems would realistically work better in America than our current system under the conditions that we operate.
The government absolutely has the ability to do all of that. Taxation takes money out of peoples pockets and reinvests it into our communities. Regulations create safety standards, protect workers rights, and also can limit potential and output. How taxation, spending, and regulations are all managed has a tremendous effect on jobs and economic output.
Not true, my OP was a warning to Dems not to overreact and become the exact thing they have been complaining about over the past 8 years. I'm fine with protest, but be smart about it. The violence, lies, hypocrisy, and overdramatic reactions that i've seen in the public forum after this election has only degraded their position. I still, literally feel sick, about the fact that Trump won. I've voiced much opposition to his campaign and think it was a tremendous mistake by our citizens. I believe the whole thing was a Con job and they feel for false propaganda. But I'm also willing to respect the process and give it a chance. If Trump blows it on day one, I will yell and scream, but until then I believe we owe the system a chance.
I just disagree with your tactic. I'm fine with disagreement, critique, but obstruction should be a last resort on only the extremely important issues. It was way overused by Republicans during Obamas term. It is the reason why very few laws get passed, and the reason why the laws that actually do make it through are horribly written and executed. How is a system supposed to operate when its operators can't come together to make it as good as possible. Of course the ACA bombed, half the people involved in passing it have been trying to trash it before it ever hit the ground. Its pathetic
Because obstructionism doesn't do anything but stroke your ego and cause conflict, realistically and productively speaking... Your efforts would be much better supporting efforts to reduce or eliminate government mandates and policies that go against your values. Explain and articulate why you make your points and join or lead a movement to educate and effective institute our ideas in our political system.
Non of your Anarchist societies have lasted or have anywhere close to the magnitude of responsibility/power that the US has in the world. You still have not convincingly shown which other system can work better in our country and how that transition would work. Plus the fact that you think that our entire system only brings pain and suffering really shows how privileged and out of touch you are about the nation you live in. Perhaps you should do some traveling and experience other areas of the world that really do have pain and suffering and a broken system.
Sounds like you live out in the "sticks" let me guess, lots of land, very few people, right? Anarchy works just fine for your lifestyle and the area where you live. For those in civilization it is a very different story. And what exactly is the government taking from you that you are so opposed to? Money? You mean the currency that they created, manage the value of, provide an open market of commerce? You only have it because you are part of our system. You can go live in a forest and trade deer shit for fig leaves if you want, be my guest.
In some cases yes and in others not. Try and be objective and not only point out the bad and abuses. I recognize those are there and am all for reforms that prevent that abuse, but there is a bigger picture, which you seem to not understand.
I graduated from UCSB a long time ago
I think you need to wake up my friend... We don't live in a horrible world or a horrible country. We are lucky enough to be arguing over this BS on our computers and smartphones instead of fighting for our lives and survival each day. You probably drive home in your own vehicle and watch TV on your flat screen before going to bed at night. Go live in Syria for a year or Africa or any other 3rd world country and perhaps develop some perspective.
If somebody was an Asshole to you during this campaign and you want to throw it back in their face then go ahead if you feel the need to do so, but the majority of people who supported Hillary or identifies as a liberal/dem is a partisan insulting wingnut. Many do have very real anxiety and fears over what Trump will do. You can understand and empathize with that and speak to them accordingly or you can become the same partisan wingnut asshole that you despise in your opposition.
Trump has already left that deal behind, dupe.
