Democrats in several states are pushing legislation to block U.S. (ICE) agents working to protect Americans from illegal alien criminals

[pknopp]

They are not trashing it now, so by definition they cannot continue to do so.

However, they absolutely will on occasion detain US citizens. Human beings are not perfect.

Is that too much trashing for you?

Yes. But they go further.

 

[Winston]

"Arrests pending criminal charges or convictions" are not deportations for starters.
For instance, they can process and deport everyone in a holding facility without arresting anyone.

In the first 100 days of the Trump Administration 65,000 were deported, which is greater than number arrested pending criminal charges or convictions.

You have yet to provide documentation, because you can't. It is all bullshit. Try to learn something.

Despite deploying innumerable staff from other agencies to assist in enforcement activities and ordering active-duty military to facilitate removals at the border, the Department of Homeland Security’s claims of record arrests and deportations never materialized. This didn’t stop this administration from announcing in an April 28, 2025, press release that its immigration arrests and deportations had “already surpassed the entirety of Fiscal Year 2024 [numbers], and we’re just 100 days into this administration.”

These claims were not simply untrue but preposterous.

Trump Claims on Immigration Enforcement: Rhetoric vs Reality

 

[Eman623]

Yes. But they go further.

Yes. Occasionally. You be sure and let us know when the Constitution gets trashed enough to abolish ICE.

BTW, remember the part of the Constitution about requiring the president to take care to enforce the laws, including immigration law? That law says that anyone in the country illegally must be deported. It doesn't make exceptions.

It just seems to me like the last president trashed the Constitution when he mostly refused to enforce it, and then waved in millions of new illegals.

 

[Bitterhook]

You have yet to provide documentation, because you can't. It is all bullshit. Try to learn something.

Despite deploying innumerable staff from other agencies to assist in enforcement activities and ordering active-duty military to facilitate removals at the border, the Department of Homeland Security’s claims of record arrests and deportations never materialized. This didn’t stop this administration from announcing in an April 28, 2025, press release that its immigration arrests and deportations had “already surpassed the entirety of Fiscal Year 2024 [numbers], and we’re just 100 days into this administration.”

These claims were not simply untrue but preposterous.

Trump Claims on Immigration Enforcement: Rhetoric vs Reality

QuickFacts is run by the US Census Bureau that has been caught fudging the numbers in favor of Democrats.

 

[Winston]

QuickFacts is run by the US Census Bureau that has been caught fudging the numbers in favor of Democrats.

I am sorry hoss but I highly doubt they are fudging the numbers by a factor of ten. And it is the Trump administration that is withholding numbers or postponing reports. But come on, have some damn common sense, 650,000 deportations, get out of here. Not even realistic. At the low end estimate, $17,000 for a deportation, that is over eleven billion dollars.

And it gets worse. How are they deporting them? Buses, it would take forty buses a day, every single day. Plane, at least four jumbo jets a day, EVERY DAY, flying out loaded with deportees. Do you see it? Does it even make sense? If it were happening you can bet the Trump administration would be posting videos on every damn social network sight out there.

It is really sad. Sad that people can't see the reality in front of them. Trump's ICE goons are going after the low-hanging fruit and criminals are only being picked up from local jails and state penitentiaries. ICE is too busy showing up at immigration court and picking up aliens when they dutifully show up for their hearings. How ******* stupid is that? Going to churches, schools, nabbing Mom's dropping off their kids. How ******* sad is that?

Here is the thing. If you are so damn tiny, so damn scared, of competing with these immigrants, that you are willing to throw Constitutional protections out the window, then no, you are not an American. You are simply a coward.

 

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[pknopp]

Yes. Occasionally. You be sure and let us know when the Constitution gets trashed enough to abolish ICE.

Already have.

BTW, remember the part of the Constitution about requiring the president to take care to enforce the laws, including immigration law? That law says that anyone in the country illegally must be deported. It doesn't make exceptions.

It says no such thing.

It just seems to me like the last president trashed the Constitution when he mostly refused to enforce it, and then waved in millions of new illegals.

Again, lashing out. I have never defended Biden so it's just a waste of time.

 

[80zephyr]

As long as they continue to insist on violating Constitutional rights, then yeah.

They aren't doing that.

 

[pknopp]

They aren't doing that.

If you don't click on the examples, well........

 

[80zephyr]

They need to impede ICE until ICE learns to follow the law.

They are following the law. The Democrats plan is to stop them.

 

[80zephyr]

If you don't click on the examples, well........

There will always be mistakes. That does not mean a program should be scrapped.

 

[pknopp]

There will always be mistakes. That does not mean a program should be scrapped.

Again, they aren't mistakes.

 

[Winston]

They are following the law. The Democrats plan is to stop them.

Are they? People have rights, constitutional rights. And yes, in some cases, these stops, even targeting people by their "looks", they are legal. But what you don't realize, it is because of some recent laws, passed at the beginning of the administration, and some really questionable court rulings, go figure, rogue judges, am I right?

But is this really the America you want to live in? I mean the numbers this administration have thrown around, from the number of deportations, to the number of jobs Americans have taken since the illegals are all packing and leaving, have been comically exaggerated, and never actually documented. And I am sorry, but no where does that compare to the claim of deporting criminals, especially violent ones.

Sure, they are deporting them. But just like everything else, it is the low hanging fruit, mostly those already held in custody. And yes, this administration is having success as people self-deport, but, have you seen some of the letters people are getting. Hell, if I got some of them I might deport my own damn self. And they were bullshit, scare tactics.

And it will have an impact, but not what you think. Higher paid workers will see their wage increases decline, in some areas, significantly. Low paid workers might get a boost, provided this level can be sustained for four years or more. It really is classic bricklayer and his helper, basic economics really. And we are losing a significant driver of demand, a huge amount of tax revenue, especially for Social Security ironically enough.

We are already seeing the effects. Construction industry especially, but across sectors. Estimated cost over the next ten years, almost a trillion dollar hit to GDP.

 

[Eman623]

Already have.

They've already trashed the Constitution? If you think that, then why don't you support abolishing ICE?

It says no such thing.

Article II, Section 3

...he [the president] shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed

Article Two of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Again, lashing out. I have never defended Biden so it's just a waste of time.

You never defended Biden on anything? I find that hard to believe.

 

[pknopp]

They've already trashed the Constitution? If you think that, then why don't you support abolishing ICE?

Well I support abolishing The whole Homeland Security/Patriot Act but obviously no one is going to do that.

Article II, Section 3

...he [the president] shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed

Article Two of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You never defended Biden on anything? I find that hard to believe.

Removing us from Afghanistan. I believe that was it.

 

[Eman623]

Well I support abolishing The whole Homeland Security/Patriot Act but obviously no one is going to do that.

So we go back to INS? Or we just don't have immigration control anymore and the borders are wide open?

Removing us from Afghanistan. I believe that was it.

Even on that, I'd guess you probably support the goal but not the implementation.

 

[pknopp]

So we go back to INS? Or we just don't have immigration control anymore and the borders are wide open?

We somehow managed before.

Even on that, I'd guess you probably support the goal but not the implementation.

The goal? Invading Afghanistan. 100% opposed.

 

[Eman623]

We somehow managed before.

We managed before under INS. Who had the same mission as ICE has now.

Seems like your objection is to the letters in the name, not the goals.

The goal? Invading Afghanistan. 100% opposed.

No I mean the goal of leaving. Good idea, bad execution.

Not unlike ICE sometimes

 

[pknopp]

We managed before under INS. Who had the same mission as ICE has now.

Seems like your objection is to the letters in the name, not the goals.

Whatever.

No I mean the goal of leaving. Good idea, bad execution.

Not unlike ICE sometimes

There was no good way to leave. It's why neither Obama nor Trump had the balls to do it.