Democrats Can't Be Serious.Now They Are Concerned Over The Debt And Deficit? Laughable?

[iamwhatiseem]

And again, what you call, "circles," is in fact, fact. Which is why you couldn't refute any of it.

Useless facts.
The U.S. electoral matrix is what it is, by design. It was specifically designed in hopes to lead to a better rounded candidate that has to win that matrix, namely a variety of demographics. Hillary swept Trump in specific demographics, but failed against virtually all others. Therefore she lost. That is exactly what the electoral college is supposed to do.
Having said that.....it didn't lead to a better rounded candidate. America is a bitterly divided nation, and the system also works better when the population is informed. We are not informed. And people vote for their team despite that the person they voted for does not, at all, represent them.
You guys blew it. You had Sanders, a man who vastly better represents the lefts views. But instead your party elites saw to it that the established candidate won the primary. A candidate that is arguably the most bought and paid for politician in America.

 

[Markle]

A bigly $30 trillion debt is okay if Trump does it!

Let's see, that be a 50% increase as opposed to petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama's increase of 100%. That's the way Progressives work, isn't it?

 

[Markle]

I worked 41 years at the K-25 Oak Ridge Gaseous Diffusion Plant(ORGDP) where the uranium for all the U S nuclear weapons was processed. I retired 22 years ago with a $4,000 a month pension, ($500 a month more than my wife who worked there 43 years.) I live on a 1 1/2 acre lot in a 4 BR brick house with 220 ft. frontage on the lake. Basically......Go Fuck Your Parasite! Your equipment will be a perfect fit.

 

[task0778]

A bigly $30 trillion debt is okay if Trump does it!

It ain't okay with me no matter who does it. We have GOT to rein in spending, starting with entitlement reform cuz that's where the big bucks are. Kicking that can down the road constitutes a failure of government leadership IMHO. On all of 'em, both parties. Don't know why everyone is quick to blame the other side but not their own; for the most part they're a bunch of gutless, corrupt cowards who are afraid of bucking the extremists in their own party.

 

[Markle]

Which is exactly what happened during the Reagan years. The number of homeless on the streets doubled after he released most mental patients from the hospitals.

Why do Progressives constantly lie and make such obvious, futile attempts at re-writing history.

HOW RELEASE OF MENTAL PATIENTS BEGAN
By RICHARD D. LYONS
Published: October 30, 1984

[...]

A detailed picture has emerged from a series of interviews and a review of public records, research reports and institutional recommendations. The picture is one of cost-conscious policy makers, who were quick to buy optimistic projections that were, in some instances, buttressed by misinformation and by a willingness to suspend skepticism.

Many of the psychiatrists involved as practitioners and policy makers in the 1950's and 1960's said in the interviews that heavy responsibility lay on a sometimes neglected aspect of the problem: the overreliance on drugs to do the work of society.

The records show that the politicians were dogged by the image and financial problems posed by the state hospitals and that the scientific and medical establishment sold Congress and the state legislatures a quick fix for a complicated problem that was bought sight unseen.

'They've Gone Far, Too Far'

In California, for example, the number of patients in state mental hospitals reached a peak of 37,500 in 1959 when Edmund G. Brown was Governor, fell to 22,000 when Ronald Reagan attained that office in 1967, and continued to decline under his administration and that of his successor, Edmund G. Brown Jr. The senior Mr. Brown now expresses regret about the way the policy started and ultimately evolved. ''They've gone far, too far, in letting people out,'' he said in an interview.

[...]

Charles Schlaifer, a New York advertising executive who served as secretary-treasurer of the group, said he was now disgusted with the advice presented by leading psychiatrists of that day. ''Tranquilizers became the panacea for the mentally ill,'' he said. ''The state programs were buying them by the carload, sending the drugged patients back to the community and the psychiatrists never tried to stop this. Local mental health centers were going to be the greatest thing going, but no one wanted to think it through.''

Dr. Bertram S. Brown, a psychiatrist and Federal official who was instrumental in shaping the community center legislation in 1963, agreed that Presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson were to some extent misled by the mental health community and Government bureaucrats.

''The bureaucrat-psychiatrists realized that there was political and financial overpromise,'' he said.

Dr. Brown, then an executive of the National Institute of Mental Health and now president of Hahnemann University in Philadelphia, stated candidly in an interview: ''Yes, the doctors were overpromising for the politicians. The doctors did not believe that community care would cure schizophrenia, and we did allow ourselves to be somewhat misrepresented.''

[...]

Jack R. Ewalt, who directed the staff of the Joint Commission when it was founded in 1955, says now that he remains ''a great believer in the use of drugs, but they are just another treatment, not a magic.''

''Drugs can help people get back to the community,'' he said, ''but they have to have medical care, a place to live and someone to relate to. They can't just float around aimlessly.''

Dr. Ewalt said the 1963 act was supposed to have the states continue to take care of the mentally ill but that many states simply gave up and ceded most of their responsibility to the Federal Government.

''The result was like proposing a plan to build a new airplane and ending up only with a wing and a tail,'' Dr. Ewalt said. ''Congress and the state governments didn't buy the whole program of centers, plus adequate staffing, plus long-term financial supports.''

HOW RELEASE OF MENTAL PATIENTS BEGAN

 

[Markle]

The deficit was over an average of $1 trillion for each year of the Obama administration.

LIAR!

How then did the DEBT rise $10 TRILLION over EIGHT YEARS?

 

[Dragonlady]

A bigly $30 trillion debt is okay if Trump does it!

It ain't okay with me no matter who does it. We have GOT to rein in spending, starting with entitlement reform cuz that's where the big bucks are. Kicking that can down the road constitutes a failure of government leadership IMHO. On all of 'em, both parties. Don't know why everyone is quick to blame the other side but not their own; for the most part they're a bunch of gutless, corrupt cowards who are afraid of bucking the extremists in their own party.

The BIG bucks are in defense spending but no conservative will cut defense spending - the military industrial complex will see to that. Entitlements are things voters PAID for, hence they are "entitled" to the benefit. SS is an entitlement. Food stamps, welfare, and corporate bailouts are NOT.

 

[Markle]

No, for many, they want the people to determine that.

Which, as you know and live in faux denial of, would be the case.

 

[Campbell]

When has the debt decreased?? under Reagan? GWB ?

Interesting that no one on the Right will answer that question because it will show the Right's hypocritical double standard when "calculating" the national debt for each president!!!

Notice the Right will not say the national debt went down one year under Clinton!

Why would anyone say the national debt has gone down? It hasn't. It's gone up every year no matter who the President was!

The sad thing is that now the interest each year is about the same thing as the defense budget. These foreign banks have a thing about lending money for nothing.

The U.S. debt to China is $1.059 trillion, as of February 2017. That's 27.8 percent of the $3.8 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $19.9 trillion national debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself.

I didn't notice you whining and blubbering when Obama signed his $1 trillion dollar "stimulus" bill that was not paid for.

What the hell else could he do coming out of a George W. Bush fiasco which left jobs bleeding off at a 200,000 per month rate?

 

[Markle]

The BIG bucks are in defense spending but no conservative will cut defense spending - the military industrial complex will see to that. Entitlements are things voters PAID for, hence they are "entitled" to the benefit. SS is an entitlement. Food stamps, welfare, and corporate bailouts are NOT.

Wow, you are one confused character.

Apparently, you are unaware of the rapidly deteriorating situation in North Korea along with the entire Middle East. North Korea a situation passed along by several administrations and the Middle East on the shoulders of petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama.

Then you have the fact that our current bombers are technically described as antiques and our nuclear weapons are from the 60's and 70's. Drastically outdated and in critical need of being modernized.

No entitlements are being cut. Your livelihood is safe.

 

[Markle]

Interesting that no one on the Right will answer that question because it will show the Right's hypocritical double standard when "calculating" the national debt for each president!!!

Notice the Right will not say the national debt went down one year under Clinton!

Why would anyone say the national debt has gone down? It hasn't. It's gone up every year no matter who the President was!

The sad thing is that now the interest each year is about the same thing as the defense budget. These foreign banks have a thing about lending money for nothing.

The U.S. debt to China is $1.059 trillion, as of February 2017. That's 27.8 percent of the $3.8 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $19.9 trillion national debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself.

I didn't notice you whining and blubbering when Obama signed his $1 trillion dollar "stimulus" bill that was not paid for.

What the hell else could he do coming out of a George W. Bush fiasco which left jobs bleeding off at a 200,000 per month rate?

Come back when you have one that goes back to January 2001 through December 2008.

 

[bripat9643]

Trump's ego is so YUGE that his trillion dollar deficits will look really tiny.

A bigly $30 trillion debt is okay if Trump does it!

Apparently you had no problem with Obama increasing the debt by $10 billion, so why would you object if Trump does the same?

 

[Campbell]

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I had a top secret clearance in one of the most classified nuclear plants in the country for more than 20 years. You obviously don't have a clue about that sort of thing.

 

[bripat9643]

Interesting that no one on the Right will answer that question because it will show the Right's hypocritical double standard when "calculating" the national debt for each president!!!

Notice the Right will not say the national debt went down one year under Clinton!

Why would anyone say the national debt has gone down? It hasn't. It's gone up every year no matter who the President was!

The sad thing is that now the interest each year is about the same thing as the defense budget. These foreign banks have a thing about lending money for nothing.

The U.S. debt to China is $1.059 trillion, as of February 2017. That's 27.8 percent of the $3.8 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $19.9 trillion national debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself.

I didn't notice you whining and blubbering when Obama signed his $1 trillion dollar "stimulus" bill that was not paid for.

What the hell else could he do coming out of a George W. Bush fiasco which left jobs bleeding off at a 200,000 per month rate?

Bush had 9/11 to contend with, plus Clinton's tech bubble left him with a recession at the start of his administration.

 

[radical right]

A bigly $30 trillion debt is okay if Trump does it!

Let's see, that be a 50% increase as opposed to petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama's increase of 100%. That's the way Progressives work, isn't it?

Trump claimed he could PAY OFF the national debt in 8 years, which meant not running up a $10 trillion deficit, but creating a $20 trillion surplus.

 

[radical right]

The deficit was over an average of $1 trillion for each year of the Obama administration.

LIAR!

How then did the DEBT rise $10 TRILLION over EIGHT YEARS?

How about a little honest perspective. You could ask when did the DOW go up by 1,000 points in a year and be able to exclude Ronald Reagan, since back then the DOW was around 1,000 points. So instead of talking about the deficit going up $10 trillion, why not ask as a percentage.

Since under Ronald Reagan the debt went up 200%, and under Bush 100%

 

[Markle]

Aww, you poor thing. You really believe that's the reason for the reduction in the deficit.

How could it NOT be reduced after petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama ran it up to over $1.4 TRILLION for several years?


Thursday, January 19, 2017
Spending Details page. To Recap:

People naturally assume that the annual Deficit is the total that the Federal government borrows each year. Actually this is not so. The Deficit is simply the difference between Federal Outlays and Federal
Receipts. Usually, the Feds borrow a lot more than the official Deficit.

Other Borrowings = (Increase in Federal Debt) - (Official Deficit)

Perhaps this will be of help to you.

 

[edthecynic]

LIAR!

Apparently you can't do math.

• FY 2010 - Obama's first budget created a $1.294 trillion deficit.
• FY 2011 - This budget contributed $1.3 trillion to the debt.
• FY 2012 - The deficit was $1.087 trillion.
• FY 2013 - This was the first Obama budget where the deficit, $679 billion, was less than $1 trillion. Thank sequestration, which forced a 10 percent cut in spending.
• FY 2014 - The deficit was $485 billion.
• FY 2015 - The deficit fell further, to $438 billion.
• FY 2016 - The deficit rose to $587 billion
• FY 2017 (Current Budget) - The deficit is projected to be $441 billion.

The debt increased by $10 trillion during Obama's 8 years.

Do the math: $10 trillion/8

Another Right-wing pinhead who doesn't know the difference between FISCAL year and CALENDAR year.

How would that change Barry's total debt increase or the math?

It takes away Clinton's surplus away from Bush and takes away Bush's last $1.2 trillion deficit away from Obama

 

[radical right]

Then you have the fact that our current bombers are technically described as antiques and our nuclear weapons are from the 60's and 70's. Drastically outdated and in critical need of being modernized.

Strangely the only technology we have to reach the moon is also from the 1960's., the fastest manned aircraft is from the 1960's,

 

[edthecynic]

It is true that the deficit (not debt) began to decrease after that, thanks to sequester. How do you spell sequester?...R-e-p-u-b-l-i-c-a-n c-o-n-t-r-o-l-l-e-d H-o-u-s-e.

But that is not how the worthless lying scum Republicans spelled it!!!

When the GOP thought the sequester would cripple the economy they linked it to Obama, but now that it worked out very well they are trying to steal the credit for it!.

When did Republicans ever claim the sequester would cripple the economy? Dumbass Dims were the ones making that claim, asshole.

Oh come on! If the America-hating GOP thought the sequester was good for the economy they would NOT be calling it the "obamaquester."