Democrats - can we finally come together now?

[P@triot]

Well, I'll let you petition the Congress or whomever to get rid of NASA, the Air Force and FEMA. Most citizens recognize the need for all three and the hundreds of other things government does that are not spelled out in our Constitution.

It is times like these that I am reminded of one of the most brilliant quotes of all time - from Frédéric Bastiat:

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all." -Frédéric Bastiat

Just because the federal government isn't legally authorized to do it, doesn't mean conservatives don't want it done. Hell, it doesn't even mean that we don't want government doing it. Just not the federal government.

Take FEMA for instance. If you feel that an Emergency Assistance program is necessary - why not work with the people in your community to create it? Create a foundation for it to protect your community. Or, engage your city council and mayor to have your local government do it. Or, have your county do it. Or, have you state do it. Do you see how many options are available that do not include the federal government illegally/unconstitutionally forcing all American's into your version of a utopia?

 

[francoHFW]

Year #1
Bush (2002) $421 billion
Obama (2010) $1.652 trillion

Geezus fucking christ you are dumber than a bag of rocks.

And you are dumber than the dumbest partisan hack on USMB

Bush walked into office with Clinton SURPLUS budget. Obama walked into office with 1.3T Bush deficit in the middle of Great Recession.

Bush walked into 9/11 because Clinton not only neglected national security, but he also gutted the U.S. military to the tune of half a trillion dollars over 8 years (causing Bush to have to rebuild it for the 9/11 battles.

How fucking stupid do you have to be to try to argue that they are directly comparable?

How stupid are you to deny that Bush had the catastrophic issue of 9/11 (including ungodly aid to New York City for the clean up efforts)?

Furthermore, it is your fellow ignorant progressive claiming that Obama "cut" deficits. All I was doing was proving that was a lie. Why does the truth enrage you antontoo?

W was a total incompetent catastrophe. Al was a wonk who wouldn't have allowed 9/11. Let alone the stupidest wars EVER AND a corrupt WORLD DEPRESSION. Please read a newspaper or something. Total idiot.

 

[francoHFW]

Well, I'll let you petition the Congress or whomever to get rid of NASA, the Air Force and FEMA. Most citizens recognize the need for all three and the hundreds of other things government does that are not spelled out in our Constitution.

It is times like these that I am reminded of one of the most brilliant quotes of all time - from Frédéric Bastiat:

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all." -Frédéric Bastiat

Just because the federal government isn't legally authorized to do it, doesn't mean conservatives don't want it done. Hell, it doesn't even mean that we don't want government doing it. Just not the federal government.

Take FEMA for instance. If you feel that an Emergency Assistance program is necessary - why not work with the people in your community to create it? Create a foundation for it to protect your community. Or, engage your city council and mayor to have your local government do it. Or, have your county do it. Or, have you state do it. Do you see how many options are available that do not include the federal government illegally/unconstitutionally forcing all American's into your version of a utopia?

FEMA has the stuff to handle disasters. No way communities can. Jeebus what a moron.

 

[P@triot]

80%+ of Obama's debt was ending the W DEPRESSION and helping the victims. STILL 300 billion/year...Only dupes blame him, dupe.

1. It's not the government's job to assist people financially

2. Only a progressive could call people who are too inept or too incompetent to properly handle their own finances "victims"

3. It's time to embrace reality over ideology franco

 

[P@triot]

W was a total incompetent catastrophe. Al was a wonk who wouldn't have allowed 9/11. Let alone the stupidest wars EVER AND a corrupt WORLD DEPRESSION. Please read a newspaper or something. Total idiot.

Your grammar, sentence structure, and literacy are atrocious. I can see why you blindly support the Dumbocrat Party.

Bill Clinton had 8 years to defeat Al Qaeda. He ignored it. He was offered Osama Bin Laden's head on a platter - he declined. During all of this, he gutted defense half a trillion dollars over his two terms.

I've forgotten more about the facts than you have ever known. I would tell you to read a newspaper, but it's painfully clear you have no interest in the facts. You prefer ideology over reality. That's the problem with progressives.

 

[P@triot]

FEMA has the stuff to handle disasters. No way communities can. Jeebus what a moron.

FEMA has "stuff"? Really? FEMA has "stuff"? Wow...you are the intelligent one. With a compelling argument like that, who could possibly disagree?

LMAO!!! Another low IQ welfare queen on USMB. Junior, any community can come up with any emergency resources if they want to. Furthermore, even if your hilarious and ignorant statement were true (and it's clearly not) - then amend the U.S. Constitution to reflect the "need" for the federal government to handle it. What is so difficult about that, junior?

 

[francoHFW]

FEMA has the stuff to handle disasters. No way communities can. Jeebus what a moron.

FEMA has "stuff"? Really? FEMA has "stuff"? Wow...you are the intelligent one. With a compelling argument like that, who could possibly disagree?

LMAO!!! Another low IQ welfare queen on USMB. Junior, any community can come up with any emergency resources if they want to. Furthermore, even if your hilarious and ignorant statement were true (and it's clearly not) - then amend the U.S. Constitution to reflect the "need" for the federal government to handle it. What is so difficult about that, junior?

Sure. lol. The whole country pitches in for disasters. You like resources better, you pompous ignoramus? And I'm still a retired teacher/businessman with a Masters in History. You're brainwashed to think all Dems are on welfare and women...what a jackass.

 

[francoHFW]

W was a total incompetent catastrophe. Al was a wonk who wouldn't have allowed 9/11. Let alone the stupidest wars EVER AND a corrupt WORLD DEPRESSION. Please read a newspaper or something. Total idiot.

Your grammar, sentence structure, and literacy are atrocious. I can see why you blindly support the Dumbocrat Party.

Bill Clinton had 8 years to defeat Al Qaeda. He ignored it. He was offered Osama Bin Laden's head on a platter - he declined. During all of this, he gutted defense half a trillion dollars over his two terms.

I've forgotten more about the facts than you have ever known. I would tell you to read a newspaper, but it's painfully clear you have no interest in the facts. You prefer ideology over reality. That's the problem with progressives.

GOP BS propaganda, you mean, dupe. Insanity. The whole time he was trying to get OBL, your a-hole heroes were saying he was wagging the dog. They can't STOP being wrong and corrupt. And you are off the rails dumb and misinformed. Thank god Trump is a smart NYer...I hope.

 

[candycorn]

If you oppose it so much, you should have no problem getting the votes to abolish stuff like FEMA, NASA, the Air Force, the Social Security Administration, the NPS, and the like. What are you waiting for?

Well for starters my dear, the marxist progressive agenda has locked the American people into the Social Security Administration (and that wasn't by chance). It's kind of hard to abolish that when we've already taken the American people's money away from them (against their will) and have an obligation to get it back to them when they retire.

Now, it can be done. But it would take an awful lot of planning and financing - something we can't do because Obama has run us up to $20 trillion in debt (also not by chance).

I believe it will get done some day. But it much harder to undo the unconstitutional mess than it is to illegally create it. Hence the reason it is so important to abide by the law to begin with.

So the million dollar question becomes are conservatives/strict constitutionalists just lazy or they are too busy keeping their jobs, they're scared to do their jobs????

 

[candycorn]

Of course I never said any such thing. This is what low IQ bitches like yourself do; mis-characterize what was said to you in hopes that someone out there would believe it.

Well now you're just contradicting yourself.

Then you can quote me saying as such. But you can't so that makes you a liar.

 

[candycorn]

Why don't you simply pass a law to shut down these vital organizations because our founding fathers didn't remember to add in language about space ships and flying machines????

Well I would argue that it's not that they didn't remember - it's that they intentionally omitted.

However, that argument aside, our founders did realize that there could be a litany of issues for which advancements in human endeavors would require a shift in thinking. That's why they built in the amendment process. Why is that such an issue for you? Why not advocate that the progressives leaders you support and elect use that process to achieve the progressive agenda in a legal and ethical way? I don't get why that is such a big deal.

I can only guess that the left assumes they can't get the votes to amend the U.S. Constitution. And if that is indeed the case, then they are clearly saying "I don't care that the American people have spoken and rejected our view for America, we will get our way by hook or by crook".

They intentionally omitted something that wasn't invented...gotcha!

 

[candycorn]

Well, I'll let you petition the Congress or whomever to get rid of NASA, the Air Force and FEMA. Most citizens recognize the need for all three and the hundreds of other things government does that are not spelled out in our Constitution.

It is times like these that I am reminded of one of the most brilliant quotes of all time - from Frédéric Bastiat:

"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all." -Frédéric Bastiat

Just because the federal government isn't legally authorized to do it, doesn't mean conservatives don't want it done. Hell, it doesn't even mean that we don't want government doing it. Just not the federal government.

Take FEMA for instance. If you feel that an Emergency Assistance program is necessary - why not work with the people in your community to create it? Create a foundation for it to protect your community. Or, engage your city council and mayor to have your local government do it. Or, have your county do it. Or, have you state do it. Do you see how many options are available that do not include the federal government illegally/unconstitutionally forcing all American's into your version of a utopia?

Sounds great...some SC somewhere should propose that.

 

[rightwinger]

If Obama violated the Constitution, why didn't the courts slap him down?

You were saying?

Obama Lost Supreme Court More Than Any Modern President

Obama's Abysmal Record Before the Supreme Court

GOP leader: Supreme Court has ruled 13 times that Obama exceeded his constitutional authority

Supreme Court Rules Unanimously Against Obama for 12th and 13th Time Since 2012, by John Fund, National Review

Now here is where it gets really jaw-dropping. First of all, all of these loses come with the three most radical, political activists ever assigned to the Supreme Court: Ruth Bader Ginsburg (by Bill Clinton) and Sonja Sotomayor and Elanan Kagen (by Barack Obama himself).

By 2014 he had lost a staggering 23 times by unanimous decisions. Unanimous!!! Even Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagen said "whoah...damn Obama...this is pure third-world dictator shit right here and we can't let this go".

Do you realize how uninformed you are now mamooth? You're getting obliterated in this thread with facts.

Just pushing his boundaries

See?

The court does what it is supposed to do. Tell you when you have gone too far. What your links show is that EVERYTHING else is constitutional. Welfare, Social Security, funding of the arts and national parks

 

[candycorn]

FEMA has the stuff to handle disasters. No way communities can. Jeebus what a moron.

FEMA has "stuff"? Really? FEMA has "stuff"? Wow...you are the intelligent one. With a compelling argument like that, who could possibly disagree?

LMAO!!! Another low IQ welfare queen on USMB. Junior, any community can come up with any emergency resources if they want to. Furthermore, even if your hilarious and ignorant statement were true (and it's clearly not) - then amend the U.S. Constitution to reflect the "need" for the federal government to handle it. What is so difficult about that, junior?

Well, Katrina did between 80 and 150 Billion in damage. Mostly to Louisiana and Mississippi:

How much did it cost to repair hurricane Katrina?
Hurricane Katrina caused $81 billion in property damages, but it is estimated that the total economic impact in Louisiana and Mississippi may exceed $150 billion, earning the title of costliest hurricane ever in US history.

The Budget Louisiana puts out each year to fund it’s colleges, hospitals, roads, etc…EVERYTHING: totals about 30 billion dollars. Yeah..Louisiana could handle it through bake sales and re-negotiating.

 

[P@triot]

Of course I never said any such thing. This is what low IQ bitches like yourself do; mis-characterize what was said to you in hopes that someone out there would believe it.

Well now you're just contradicting yourself.

Then you can quote me saying as such. But you can't so that makes you a liar.

I did quote you. You conveniently edited out that part when you responded. Typical.

 

[P@triot]

If you oppose it so much, you should have no problem getting the votes to abolish stuff like FEMA, NASA, the Air Force, the Social Security Administration, the NPS, and the like. What are you waiting for?

Well for starters my dear, the marxist progressive agenda has locked the American people into the Social Security Administration (and that wasn't by chance). It's kind of hard to abolish that when we've already taken the American people's money away from them (against their will) and have an obligation to get it back to them when they retire.

Now, it can be done. But it would take an awful lot of planning and financing - something we can't do because Obama has run us up to $20 trillion in debt (also not by chance).

I believe it will get done some day. But it much harder to undo the unconstitutional mess than it is to illegally create it. Hence the reason it is so important to abide by the law to begin with.

So the million dollar question becomes are conservatives/strict constitutionalists just lazy or they are too busy keeping their jobs, they're scared to do their jobs????

As far as Republicans - a little bit of both combined with the progressive obstructionism.

But the million dollar question still remains - why didn't you progressives simply amend the U.S. Constitution under FDR to make Social Security legal? Or....why didn't you do it at the state level where it would be legal?

 

[deltex1]

Now that all of you on the left are freaking out and completely losing your shit because of a Donald Trump presidency, will you finally admit that the unconstitutional, unlimited power that you built and celebrated for the Oval Office isn't so great after all? The Donald Trump administration could be the watershed moment we need to repair relations and restore order to the U.S.

Can we please agree that the U.S. Constitution isn't "irrelevant" like all of you proclaimed? That limiting the power of the federal government is crucial? We have a serious opportunity here to come together as one nation and demand that our leaders:

• Act with the highest integrity

• Create a completely transparent federal government

• Respect the separation of powers

• Respect the limitations of powers

• Respect the 2nd Amendment

Power is a dangerous thing. You wrongfully believed that power was "harmless" in the hands of Democrats and Barack Obama. Now you can see why it's so dangerous. I'm willing to do everything in my power to restore constitutional government and limit Donald Trump's power. I'm willing to hold my representatives feet to the fire to ensure that. Are you? And will you do it when the next Democrat is in office? Serious question for you Seawytch, mamooth, rdean, candycorn.

If one wants to "come together" with liberals you have to be willing to take/give it up the ass...that's how these girls roll.

 

[candycorn]

Of course I never said any such thing. This is what low IQ bitches like yourself do; mis-characterize what was said to you in hopes that someone out there would believe it.

Well now you're just contradicting yourself.

Then you can quote me saying as such. But you can't so that makes you a liar.

I did quote you. You conveniently edited out that part when you responded. Typical.

Another lie. I never said what you stated I did.

 

[P@triot]

Well, Katrina did between 80 and 150 Billion in damage. Mostly to Louisiana and Mississippi:

How much did it cost to repair hurricane Katrina?
Hurricane Katrina caused $81 billion in property damages, but it is estimated that the total economic impact in Louisiana and Mississippi may exceed $150 billion, earning the title of costliest hurricane ever in US history.

The Budget Louisiana puts out each year to fund it’s colleges, hospitals, roads, etc…EVERYTHING: totals about 30 billion dollars. Yeah..Louisiana could handle it through bake sales and re-negotiating.

Wow. Where to even begin here.

The first problem is that you want to disingenuously assign costs that the government are not responsible for to the government. Since when is the government responsible for "property damage" outside of government property? That $81 billion is the responsibility of the private homeowner.

Second, it appears that you do not understand the concept of planning. What the state of Louisiana would do if they had an Emergency service is budget for that every year. And since they don't have a Hurricane Katrina every year, that fund would accumulate. By the time Hurricane Katrina hit, they would have had the funds to address the issues.

Third, why is it Idaho's problem if Louisiana has a hurricane? Why should the people of Maine pay for the people of Louisiana? We were set up to operate as 50 individual states - with the people of each state being empowered to decide for themselves the direction of their lives and their state.

 

[P@triot]

Of course I never said any such thing. This is what low IQ bitches like yourself do; mis-characterize what was said to you in hopes that someone out there would believe it.

Well now you're just contradicting yourself.

Then you can quote me saying as such. But you can't so that makes you a liar.

I did quote you. You conveniently edited out that part when you responded. Typical.

Another lie. I never said what you stated I did.

Sure you did. That's why you conveniently edited it out. If you respect the U.S. Constitution, you would advocate adhering to it. If you feel it is "irrelevant", then let's shred them. You can't have it both ways. You're my playing a silly game where you believe it should be violated but you want to pretend like you respect the rule of law.