Democrat Senator Mark Kelly Faces Court-Martial After Department of War Launches Review of Allegations of Misconduct

[westwall]

And? The whole point of his statement is that they can disobey illegal orders. Illegal from the President, or your commander.
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The president doesn't issue military orders.

Fail harder....

 

[eagle1462010]

You missed the point Eagle. I didn't mention any orders. I pointed out that every conceivable order any POTUS might issue is NOT NECESSARILY legitimate.

So. Where the **** is the SMOKING GUN on why this is AN ISSUE AT ALL.?

 

[rightwinger]

Kelley is a Chinese communist stooge.

Kelly is an American hero who has risked his life for our country

 

[Mac1958]

Illegal orders.

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West Point must be a bunch of evil seditious commies!

 

[Marener]

Totally fits the debate. How are legal orders disseminated?
You do realize that the Seditious Six were talking directly to the military don't you?

Not at all. UCMJ applies to all people in the military. They all have an obligation to refuse illegal orders.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Illegal orders.

Yeah... from local commanders.
How are they examples of illegal orders which filtered down from JCS to the front line without ever being questioned for their legality?

 

[eagle1462010]

MAGA's freakout over this is keeping it alive.

That's how it always goes.

What Illegal Order?

Doesnt exist Mr. GASLIGHT

 

[Rawley]

I'll answer this stupid question for the 20th time.

• There have been no illegal orders.
• None.
• Zero.
• No illegal orders have been issued.
• There have been none.
• Zero.
• Nada.
• They didn't say that any had.
• NO ONE has said that.
• Nobody said it.
• No illegal orders.
• None.
• Zero.

It was a simple reminder only. Something that members of the military have already heard.

DIRECTLY FROM THE MILITARY.

I hope that is simple enough for you. I doubt it, but I will hope.

You're welcome.

Why didn't they remind them not to rape the locals when deployed?

 

[PeterPilot]

So. Where the **** is the SMOKING GUN on why this is AN ISSUE AT ALL.?

Because many are claiming that some of Trump's orders are on very shaky legal grounds. I think they have a point, but I'm not specifically familiar which orders. I don't follow what Trumpanyahu rants and raves about. I've considered him a man of low degree for 40 years.

 

[eagle1462010]

A partial list of retired generals who would most likely agree with you and the Dem PSA. All of them evil commies, no doubt:

Notable retired four‑star generals

• Gen. James Mattis, USMC (Ret.): Former Secretary of Defense and retired Marine four‑star who wrote that Trump is a threat to the Constitution and accused him of dividing the country rather than uniting it.cnn+1
• Gen. John Kelly, USMC (Ret.): Trump’s former White House chief of staff, who later said Trump fits a general definition of a fascist and described him as admiring dictators and denigrating service members killed in combat.usnews
• Gen. Mark A. Milley, USA (Ret.): Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who, in accounts reported in books and interviews, warned that Trump is “fascist to the core” and a continuing danger to the country.usnews
• Gen. H.R. McMaster, USA (Ret.): Former National Security Adviser and three‑star general who published a book and gave interviews describing Trump’s decision‑making as reckless and driven by flattery rather than strategy.usnews
• Gen. Peter Chiarelli, USA (Ret.): Former Army Vice Chief of Staff who joined an op‑ed and subsequent statement condemning Trump’s “dereliction of duty” during the January 6 attack and his disregard for constitutional norms.thehill+1
• Gen. John Jumper, USAF (Ret.): Former Air Force Chief of Staff who co‑signed the same op‑ed and public statement criticizing Trump’s inaction on January 6.protectdemocracy+1
• Gen. Johnnie Wilson, USA (Ret.): Former Army Materiel Command commander who also joined that group of retired four‑stars condemning Trump’s conduct around January 6 and warning about erosion of civilian‑military norms.thehill+1

Other retired senior military leaders​

• Adm. Mike Mullen, USN (Ret.): Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who wrote an op‑ed after the George Floyd protests warning that Trump was politicizing the military and undermining public trust.abcnews.go
• Adm. William Owens, USN (Ret.): Retired four‑star admiral who co‑authored the New York Times op‑ed and later statement calling Trump’s January 6 behavior a failure of duty that endangered American democracy.protectdemocracy+1
• Adm. James Loy, USCG (Ret.): Former Coast Guard commandant and deputy DHS secretary, another co‑author of the four‑star statement condemning Trump’s failure to act during the Capitol attack.thehill+1
• Adm. John Nathman, USN (Ret.): Former Fleet Forces commander who also signed the op‑ed criticizing Trump’s refusal to stop the January 6 violence and his flirtation with using the military in election disputes.protectdemocracy+1
• Adm. Steve Abbot, USN (Ret.): Former NATO deputy supreme allied commander who joined the same group of retired four‑stars denouncing Trump’s dereliction of duty on January 6.thehill+1

Additional retired generals who spoke out​

• Gen. Joseph Votel, USA (Ret.): Former CENTCOM commander who wrote that Trump’s abrupt Syria withdrawal betrayed Kurdish partners, undermined the ISIS fight, and damaged U.S. credibility.nbcnews
• Gen. John Allen, USMC (Ret.): Former commander in Afghanistan who published an essay arguing Trump’s conduct during racial justice protests risked authoritarian outcomes in the United States.nbcnews+1
• Adm. William McRaven, USN (Ret.): Former U.S. Special Operations Command chief who wrote and spoke publicly that Trump was threatening American values and institutions and that a new president might be needed.cnn+1
• Ret. Army Gen. Tony Thomas, USA (Ret.): Former Special Operations Command commander who publicly criticized Trump’s talk of using active‑duty troops domestically, saying such rhetoric was dangerous except in extreme scenarios like invasion or civil war.abcnews.go

So.

TDS afflicts everyone Milley??? LMAO

 

[Rawley]

MAGA's freakout over this is keeping it alive.

That's how it always goes.

You bet we're keeping it alive. And these scumbags will hear it all the way to the midterms.

 

[eagle1462010]

Because many are claiming that some of Trump's orders are on very shaky legal grounds. I think they have a point, but I'm not specifically familiar which orders. I don't follow what Trumpanyahu rants and raves about. I've considered him a man of low degree for 40 years.

AKA. YOU DONT HAVE SHIT

 

[Mac1958]

 

[M14 Shooter]

What Illegal Order?
Doesnt exist Mr. GASLIGHT

Correct.
The entire purpose of the show from the Seditious 6 was to get US servicemen to question / resist / ignore legal orders.

 

[Rawley]

Mark Kelly is an American Patriot who is doing what is right for America

Nah. He's a vet that has turned into a partisan scumbag

 

[eagle1462010]

SO.

Now tell us what Laws they are supposed to Refuse orders from the CNC.

 

[rightwinger]

Nah. He's a vet that has turned into a partisan scumbag

A combat vet, former Astronaut and now Senator acting on behalf of his country

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You bet we're keeping it alive. And these scumbags will hear it all the way to the midterms.

.

Louder and louder.

.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Now tell us what Laws they are supposed to Refuse orders from the CNC.

Hint:
No one is going to a court martial because they didn't refuse to do 55 in a 35, as ordered by their LT.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The president doesn't issue military orders.

Fail harder....

He orders the War Department to. He is the head of the executive and Commander in Chief.