Delusions of Israelis and Palestinians Are Destroying the Peace Process

[ForeverYoung436]

Now to get the rest of old Challenged stuff over here on the delusions thread. Right where it belongs.

Some of this stuff is priceless.

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Never happened, the Arab league was never condemned by the UN for "aggression", the Arab League staged a legitimate intervention under the U.N. charter to restore peace and prevent the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population by the European Zionist colonists.

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Now I ask you, why would the about 60 nation muslim voting block out of 180 or so nations, fully 1/3, the largest voting block in the UN condemn a group of its own ?

Or when did the UN approve the Arab League declaration of war ?

And what ethnic cleansing ? had the Israeli's alluded to any such intentions ?

The guys just off his rocker completely. Or shall we say "delusional'

Still on the peyote I see. Seems our Bison "bovine excreter" here signally failed basic history 101.

In 1948 there were only 58 member states, of whom only 9 were "Muslim". United Nations member States - Growth in United Nations membership, 1945-present (Now I ask you, if the Muslim "voting bloc" was so powerful would it ever have allowed partition of Palestine in the first place?)

The Arab league did not declare a state of war Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

See: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/P/Pa/Pappe_Ilan_-_The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine.pdf

Yikes, looks like someone is stuck in 1948, ( delusions again ? ) you did say "never" which would indicate something beyond a single date.

But it does look like you've been cherrypicking from that bastion of accuracy Wiki

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Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. Significantly, all six Arab League countries then represented at the UN – Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, all of which were parties to the conflict in question – voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries: Byelorrusian SSR, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukrainian SSR, USSR, Yugoslavia,[3] all of which had already recognised Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. The Palestinians were not directly consulted.

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Oh and a declaration of Invasion and a declaration of war are the same thing.

both result in the condition of war, or a fulfillment of the pragmatic theory. ;--) ( start digging Spiffy )

On the one hand we have the Hague which defines what types of documents constitute a declaration of war. You might want to do a little reading there to, I'd start with H3 but feel free ;--)

on the other we have the Geneva Conventions which state what constitutes a condition of war.

And since you seem so devoted to wikipedia lets just see what they have to say about what constitutes a declaration of war.

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In modern public international law, a declaration of war entails the recognition between countries of a state of hostilities between these countries, and such declaration has acted to regulate the conduct between the military engagements between the forces of the respective countries. The primary multilateral treaties governing such declarations are the Hague Conventions.

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The Arab Nations "declaration of invasion" is a legal declaration that a state of war exists between Israel and the Arab League.

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

 

[Boston1]

The document is basically an excuse for invading and taking land intended for the creation of a Jewish national homeland. Which wasn't as successful as the Arabs intended but they did illegally occupy several areas of the former mandate.

However the point is that its a declaration of war.

Being as there is a war and being as the Arabs were the ones who declared it then its the Israeli's who are well within their rights being the controlling party to expel all enemy combatants.

 

[Lipush]

Still on the peyote I see. Seems our Bison "bovine excreter" here signally failed basic history 101.

In 1948 there were only 58 member states, of whom only 9 were "Muslim". United Nations member States - Growth in United Nations membership, 1945-present (Now I ask you, if the Muslim "voting bloc" was so powerful would it ever have allowed partition of Palestine in the first place?)

The Arab league did not declare a state of war Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

See: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/P/Pa/Pappe_Ilan_-_The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine.pdf

Yikes, looks like someone is stuck in 1948, ( delusions again ? ) you did say "never" which would indicate something beyond a single date.

But it does look like you've been cherrypicking from that bastion of accuracy Wiki

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Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. Significantly, all six Arab League countries then represented at the UN – Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, all of which were parties to the conflict in question – voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries: Byelorrusian SSR, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukrainian SSR, USSR, Yugoslavia,[3] all of which had already recognised Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. The Palestinians were not directly consulted.

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Oh and a declaration of Invasion and a declaration of war are the same thing.

both result in the condition of war, or a fulfillment of the pragmatic theory. ;--) ( start digging Spiffy )

On the one hand we have the Hague which defines what types of documents constitute a declaration of war. You might want to do a little reading there to, I'd start with H3 but feel free ;--)

on the other we have the Geneva Conventions which state what constitutes a condition of war.

And since you seem so devoted to wikipedia lets just see what they have to say about what constitutes a declaration of war.

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In modern public international law, a declaration of war entails the recognition between countries of a state of hostilities between these countries, and such declaration has acted to regulate the conduct between the military engagements between the forces of the respective countries. The primary multilateral treaties governing such declarations are the Hague Conventions.

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The Arab Nations "declaration of invasion" is a legal declaration that a state of war exists between Israel and the Arab League.

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

Trying to have a reasonable argument with him, still? I long ago gave up.

Happy Purim, my friend

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Yikes, looks like someone is stuck in 1948, ( delusions again ? ) you did say "never" which would indicate something beyond a single date.

But it does look like you've been cherrypicking from that bastion of accuracy Wiki

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Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. Significantly, all six Arab League countries then represented at the UN – Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, all of which were parties to the conflict in question – voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries: Byelorrusian SSR, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukrainian SSR, USSR, Yugoslavia,[3] all of which had already recognised Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. The Palestinians were not directly consulted.

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Oh and a declaration of Invasion and a declaration of war are the same thing.

both result in the condition of war, or a fulfillment of the pragmatic theory. ;--) ( start digging Spiffy )

On the one hand we have the Hague which defines what types of documents constitute a declaration of war. You might want to do a little reading there to, I'd start with H3 but feel free ;--)

on the other we have the Geneva Conventions which state what constitutes a condition of war.

And since you seem so devoted to wikipedia lets just see what they have to say about what constitutes a declaration of war.

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In modern public international law, a declaration of war entails the recognition between countries of a state of hostilities between these countries, and such declaration has acted to regulate the conduct between the military engagements between the forces of the respective countries. The primary multilateral treaties governing such declarations are the Hague Conventions.

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The Arab Nations "declaration of invasion" is a legal declaration that a state of war exists between Israel and the Arab League.

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

Trying to have a reasonable argument with him, still? I long ago gave up.

Happy Purim, my friend

Chag Sameach!! Still deciding what my costume should be.

 

[Lipush]

Costum? Oh no Give me the Ra'ashan and I'm all set.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Still on the peyote I see. Seems our Bison "bovine excreter" here signally failed basic history 101.

In 1948 there were only 58 member states, of whom only 9 were "Muslim". United Nations member States - Growth in United Nations membership, 1945-present (Now I ask you, if the Muslim "voting bloc" was so powerful would it ever have allowed partition of Palestine in the first place?)

The Arab league did not declare a state of war Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

See: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/P/Pa/Pappe_Ilan_-_The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine.pdf

Yikes, looks like someone is stuck in 1948, ( delusions again ? ) you did say "never" which would indicate something beyond a single date.

But it does look like you've been cherrypicking from that bastion of accuracy Wiki

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Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. Significantly, all six Arab League countries then represented at the UN – Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, all of which were parties to the conflict in question – voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries: Byelorrusian SSR, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukrainian SSR, USSR, Yugoslavia,[3] all of which had already recognised Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. The Palestinians were not directly consulted.

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Oh and a declaration of Invasion and a declaration of war are the same thing.

both result in the condition of war, or a fulfillment of the pragmatic theory. ;--) ( start digging Spiffy )

On the one hand we have the Hague which defines what types of documents constitute a declaration of war. You might want to do a little reading there to, I'd start with H3 but feel free ;--)

on the other we have the Geneva Conventions which state what constitutes a condition of war.

And since you seem so devoted to wikipedia lets just see what they have to say about what constitutes a declaration of war.

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In modern public international law, a declaration of war entails the recognition between countries of a state of hostilities between these countries, and such declaration has acted to regulate the conduct between the military engagements between the forces of the respective countries. The primary multilateral treaties governing such declarations are the Hague Conventions.

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The Arab Nations "declaration of invasion" is a legal declaration that a state of war exists between Israel and the Arab League.

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

How can it be an invasion if none of them entered Israel?

 

[Boston1]

Yikes, looks like someone is stuck in 1948, ( delusions again ? ) you did say "never" which would indicate something beyond a single date.

But it does look like you've been cherrypicking from that bastion of accuracy Wiki

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Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. Significantly, all six Arab League countries then represented at the UN – Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, all of which were parties to the conflict in question – voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries: Byelorrusian SSR, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukrainian SSR, USSR, Yugoslavia,[3] all of which had already recognised Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. The Palestinians were not directly consulted.

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Oh and a declaration of Invasion and a declaration of war are the same thing.

both result in the condition of war, or a fulfillment of the pragmatic theory. ;--) ( start digging Spiffy )

On the one hand we have the Hague which defines what types of documents constitute a declaration of war. You might want to do a little reading there to, I'd start with H3 but feel free ;--)

on the other we have the Geneva Conventions which state what constitutes a condition of war.

And since you seem so devoted to wikipedia lets just see what they have to say about what constitutes a declaration of war.

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In modern public international law, a declaration of war entails the recognition between countries of a state of hostilities between these countries, and such declaration has acted to regulate the conduct between the military engagements between the forces of the respective countries. The primary multilateral treaties governing such declarations are the Hague Conventions.

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The Arab Nations "declaration of invasion" is a legal declaration that a state of war exists between Israel and the Arab League.

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

How can it be an invasion if none of them entered Israel?

Well that certainly belonged in the delusions thread

Tell us again how no Arab Muslims Immigrated into Israel ;--)

 

[P F Tinmore]

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

How can it be an invasion if none of them entered Israel?

Well that certainly belonged in the delusions thread

Tell us again how no Arab Muslims Immigrated into Israel ;--)

Is deflection all you have?

 

[montelatici]

Still on the peyote I see. Seems our Bison "bovine excreter" here signally failed basic history 101.

In 1948 there were only 58 member states, of whom only 9 were "Muslim". United Nations member States - Growth in United Nations membership, 1945-present (Now I ask you, if the Muslim "voting bloc" was so powerful would it ever have allowed partition of Palestine in the first place?)

The Arab league did not declare a state of war Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

See: http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/P/Pa/Pappe_Ilan_-_The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine.pdf

Yikes, looks like someone is stuck in 1948, ( delusions again ? ) you did say "never" which would indicate something beyond a single date.

But it does look like you've been cherrypicking from that bastion of accuracy Wiki

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Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. Significantly, all six Arab League countries then represented at the UN – Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, all of which were parties to the conflict in question – voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries: Byelorrusian SSR, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukrainian SSR, USSR, Yugoslavia,[3] all of which had already recognised Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. The Palestinians were not directly consulted.

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Oh and a declaration of Invasion and a declaration of war are the same thing.

both result in the condition of war, or a fulfillment of the pragmatic theory. ;--) ( start digging Spiffy )

On the one hand we have the Hague which defines what types of documents constitute a declaration of war. You might want to do a little reading there to, I'd start with H3 but feel free ;--)

on the other we have the Geneva Conventions which state what constitutes a condition of war.

And since you seem so devoted to wikipedia lets just see what they have to say about what constitutes a declaration of war.

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In modern public international law, a declaration of war entails the recognition between countries of a state of hostilities between these countries, and such declaration has acted to regulate the conduct between the military engagements between the forces of the respective countries. The primary multilateral treaties governing such declarations are the Hague Conventions.

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The Arab Nations "declaration of invasion" is a legal declaration that a state of war exists between Israel and the Arab League.

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

 

[Coyote]

Yikes, looks like someone is stuck in 1948, ( delusions again ? ) you did say "never" which would indicate something beyond a single date.

But it does look like you've been cherrypicking from that bastion of accuracy Wiki

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Of the 58 members of the United Nations at that time, the resolution was adopted by a majority of 35 countries, with 15 voting against and 8 abstaining. Significantly, all six Arab League countries then represented at the UN – Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen, all of which were parties to the conflict in question – voted against the resolution. The other significant group which voted against comprised the Communist bloc member countries: Byelorrusian SSR, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukrainian SSR, USSR, Yugoslavia,[3] all of which had already recognised Israel as a de jure state. Israel was not a member of the United Nations at the time, and objected to many of the resolution's articles. The Palestinians were not directly consulted.

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Oh and a declaration of Invasion and a declaration of war are the same thing.

both result in the condition of war, or a fulfillment of the pragmatic theory. ;--) ( start digging Spiffy )

On the one hand we have the Hague which defines what types of documents constitute a declaration of war. You might want to do a little reading there to, I'd start with H3 but feel free ;--)

on the other we have the Geneva Conventions which state what constitutes a condition of war.

And since you seem so devoted to wikipedia lets just see what they have to say about what constitutes a declaration of war.

Quote

In modern public international law, a declaration of war entails the recognition between countries of a state of hostilities between these countries, and such declaration has acted to regulate the conduct between the military engagements between the forces of the respective countries. The primary multilateral treaties governing such declarations are the Hague Conventions.

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The Arab Nations "declaration of invasion" is a legal declaration that a state of war exists between Israel and the Arab League.

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

 

[Coyote]

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

No different than the Arabs that immigrated from surrounding countries

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

No different than the Arabs that immigrated from surrounding countries

There was a big difference. This is from the US but the concept is universal.

IMMIGRANT​

:​

In popular usage, an "immigrant" is generally understood to be a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. Under this definition, therefore, an "immigrant" is an alien admitted to the U.S. as a lawful permanent resident. The emphasis in this definition is upon the presumptions that (1) the immigrant followed U.S. laws and procedures in establishing residence in our country; (2) he or she wishes to reside here permanently; and (3) he or she swears allegiance to our country or at least solemnly affirms that he/she will observe and respect our laws and our Constitution.

ALIEN: By contrast, an "alien" is generally understood to be a foreigner -- a person who comes from a foreign country -- who does not owe allegiance to our country.

Definitions: Alien, Immigrant, Illegal Alien, Undocumented Immigrant​

 

[Boston1]

You didn't read the link.

Arab League Declarationon the Invasion of Palestine (May 1948) | Jewish Virtual Library

Did you where it said they invaded Israel

" The State of Israel was declared independent on Friday evening May 14, 1948. That night, the regular forces of Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon invaded the nascent state. "

Did you read the pre may15 1948 arab reports where they threatened to wipe out the Jews and destroy any Jewish state in the name of allah.

That is what the JVL preamble says but that is not what is stated in the actual document. That is just an Israeli say so thing.

There is no evidence that Israel was ever invaded and the Arab states did not mention invading Israel.

BTW, Allah was not mentioned.

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

There's no such thing as palestinians, they're Arab Muslims, as such they are native to the Arabian Peninsula, They aren't even a first nations people on the Arabian Peninsula.

I even used your favorite source
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There were many civilizations in the Arabian Peninsula before Islam, especially in South Arabia.[22][23] South Arabian civilizations include Sheba, Himyarite Kingdom, Kingdom of Awsan, Kingdom of Ma'īn and Sabaean Kingdom. Central Arabia was the sole location of kingdom of Kinda in the 4th, 5th and early 6th centuries AD. Eastern Arabia was home to the Dilmun civilization. The earliest known events in Arabian history are migrations from the Peninsula into neighbouring areas.[24]

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So again its extremely disingenuous to simply retask a name, apply it to subgroup population bases solely on geographic location and pretend its a native people.

 

[montelatici]

Palestinians are no more of Arabian origin than the Middle Eastern Jews. The European Jews are, of course, of European descent.

"The closest genetic relatives of the Middle Eastern Jews are Druze, Bedouin and Palestinians. The closest genetic relatives of the European group of Jews are Northern Italians, followed by Sardinians and French."
read more: Blood brothers: Palestinians and Jews share genetic roots

 

[Boston1]

Yeah and they are genetically closest of all to chimps, but that doesn't mean we have any Arab Muslims living on the chimp reserve down in Texas.

 

[montelatici]

Arabians are a particular people. Arabs are people that have adopted the Arabian language and culture. The Spanish are to Hispanics as Arabians are to Arabs. You really should try to educate yourself if you are going to be the Hasbara troll of this site.

 

[Boston1]

I think you are confused as to what the term hasbara means, you should try looking it up in a dictionary sometime ;--)

 

[Coyote]

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

No different than the Arabs that immigrated from surrounding countries

There was a big difference. This is from the US but the concept is universal.

IMMIGRANT
:
In popular usage, an "immigrant" is generally understood to be a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. Under this definition, therefore, an "immigrant" is an alien admitted to the U.S. as a lawful permanent resident. The emphasis in this definition is upon the presumptions that (1) the immigrant followed U.S. laws and procedures in establishing residence in our country; (2) he or she wishes to reside here permanently; and (3) he or she swears allegiance to our country or at least solemnly affirms that he/she will observe and respect our laws and our Constitution.

ALIEN: By contrast, an "alien" is generally understood to be a foreigner -- a person who comes from a foreign country -- who does not owe allegiance to our country.

Definitions: Alien, Immigrant, Illegal Alien, Undocumented Immigrant​

How is there a big difference? There was Arab immigration into Palestine. There was Jewish immigration into Palestine. all immigrants.

 

[Boston1]

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

No different than the Arabs that immigrated from surrounding countries

There was a big difference. This is from the US but the concept is universal.

IMMIGRANT
:
In popular usage, an "immigrant" is generally understood to be a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. Under this definition, therefore, an "immigrant" is an alien admitted to the U.S. as a lawful permanent resident. The emphasis in this definition is upon the presumptions that (1) the immigrant followed U.S. laws and procedures in establishing residence in our country; (2) he or she wishes to reside here permanently; and (3) he or she swears allegiance to our country or at least solemnly affirms that he/she will observe and respect our laws and our Constitution.

ALIEN: By contrast, an "alien" is generally understood to be a foreigner -- a person who comes from a foreign country -- who does not owe allegiance to our country.

Definitions: Alien, Immigrant, Illegal Alien, Undocumented Immigrant​

How is there a big difference? There was Arab immigration into Palestine. There was Jewish immigration into Palestine. all immigrants.

Actually not. The Israeli's were returning to their native homeland. The Arabs were colonizing new land.

Its a big difference