Delusions of Israelis and Palestinians Are Destroying the Peace Process

[docmauser1]

Palestinians never had a nation to LOSE in a war either.

Those fools should stop blaming Israel for their palistanian, allegedly, lost "land and nation", of course.

Unfortunately for them -- their LEASE holders lost THEIR war against Israel.

See, more reason for palistanians to return to their homelands and fight and demand justice and the rent to be paid in full. Then and only then palistanians will rest in peace!

Their homeland is where the European Jews settled.

The Eastern Europe?

 

[docmauser1]

You didn't read my post. These so called Jewish immigrants did not match the definition of immigrants. They did, however, match the description of aliens or foreigners. An immigrant moves to a country to be a part of that society. They want to be a member of the existing population. The Zionists had no intention of being a part of Palestine. The Zionists imported settlers by the boatload to implement their colonial project. Theses settlers lived in colonies separate from anything and everything Palestinian. They were to be place holders on any land obtained by hook or by crook. They were to work and pay taxes. They would be conscripts in the military that would be necessary to create an exclusive Jewish state in a country where the vast majority of people were Muslims and Christians. To call these settlers immigrants is a great misnomer.

Arab settlers-squatters, calling others settlers, of course. No wonder palistanians have no land and no borders.

 

[docmauser1]

Hasbara is a form of propaganda aimed at an international audience, primarily, but not exclusively, in western countries. It is meant to influence the conversation in a way that positively portrays Israeli political moves and policies, including actions undertaken by Israel in the past. Often, Hasbara efforts includes a negative portrayal of the Arabs and especially of Palestinians. Hasbara: Why does the world fail to understand us? | +972 Magazine No need to thank me.

Indeed, we don't encourage shahada here, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

Correct; the Palestinians, be they Pagan, Christian, Muslim or Jewish. Not however, the European Zionists who came to colonise the region.

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Churchill. And the bastard knew his settling-squatting arabs inside out, of course.

 

[Kondor3]

Peace is impossible.

The only way this ends now is when one side or the other is completely defeated and ejected from the region.

Smart Vegas Money is on Israel being the winner.

 

[montelatici]

Correct; the Palestinians, be they Pagan, Christian, Muslim or Jewish. Not however, the European Zionists who came to colonise the region.

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Churchill. And the bastard knew his settling-squatting arabs inside out, of course.

He was full of shit. The facts were far different as reported by his own foreign office and as contemporary documentary films confirmed even before the British took over.

 

[Hollie]

Correct; the Palestinians, be they Pagan, Christian, Muslim or Jewish. Not however, the European Zionists who came to colonise the region.

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Churchill. And the bastard knew his settling-squatting arabs inside out, of course.

He was full of shit. The facts were far different as reported by his own foreign office and as contemporary documentary films confirmed even before the British took over.

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The above is the same cut and paste you dump across multiple threads, multiple times. In this case, you didn't even bother to link to a source.

Taqiyya speak?

 

[Boston1]

Its the usual hasbara nonsense. ;--)

He's just spewing the same ole tired nonsense he's been spewing from the word go.

The reality is its his kinda delusions that are prohibiting progress.

The nonsense the UNRWA teaches in conjunction with their Hamas and Fatah backers and employees.

 

[montelatici]

The facts are the facts. And I agree that you are spouting the usual Hasbara nonsense.

 

[Boston1]

The facts are the facts. And I agree that you are spouting the usual Hasbara nonsense.

Won't catch me spouting hasbara nonsense, thats your job. I dont' condone the use of Arab Muslim fantasy in an effort to delegitimize the Judaic people or the use of Pallywood in order to vilify anyone.

I think you might want to look up the term Hasbara and educate yourself a little

 

[Challenger]

I think you might want to look up the term Hasbara and educate yourself a little

Good idea.

"This toolkit is intended to give pro-Israel campaigners the essential information
and advice needed to campaign for Israel both all-year-round and in the event of
a crisis when Israel hits the headlines.
It consists of “how to” guides setting out the basics of each kind of campaign
activity and fact sheets about key aspects of Israel’s case.
We will send out supplements and updates as required which can be inserted into
the toolkit folder". http://jfjfp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Bicom-Toolkit.pdf

"Hasbara is a form of propaganda aimed at an international audience, primarily, but not exclusively, in western countries. It is meant to influence the conversation in a way that positively portrays Israeli political moves and policies, including actions undertaken by Israel in the past. Often, Hasbara efforts includes a negative portrayal of the Arabs and especially of Palestinians.

The Hebrew meaning of the word Hasbara (הסברה) is “explanation” (the term “propaganda” has a different word in Hebrew – תעמולה). I believe that the popular use of this term also reflects a widespread public notion that a better effort of explaining Israel’s actions to the world will generate better understandings of Israel’s policies, and more international support. A less common use of the verb “to explain” (להסביר), which has to do with welcoming someone, was used in the past by the Tourism Ministry in campaigns urging Israelis to show a hospitable approach to tourists.

Hasbara represents only one side of propaganda, as it is mostly aimed at foreign audience. The use of the Hebrew term Hasbara in a critical context, rather than “propaganda” or “public diplomacy” (the title of the Wikipedia entry on the issue), is necessary, because Hasbara efforts are wider and their goals much more ambitious than any similar activities taken by all democracies and most non-democracies. Hasbara targets political elites, opinion makers and the public simultaneously; it includes traditional advocacy efforts as well as more general appeals made through mass media, and it is carried out by government agencies, non-governmental organizations, lobbying groups, private citizens, students, journalists and bloggers." Hasbara: Why does the world fail to understand us? | +972 Magazine

Hasbara Fellowships - Homepage

Even a handbook: https://www.sott.net/signs/hasbara.pdf

 

[Challenger]

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

No different than the Arabs that immigrated from surrounding countries

Define Arabs. Ethnic Arabians or indigenous locals who had adopted Arabic language and culture over the centuries?

Define indigenous Arabs. When are invading muhammedans defined as indigenous 'Pal'istanians?

Indigenous Arabs are native to the Arabian peninsula. Not all Muslims are Arabs and not all Arabs are Muslim; may cultures and ethnicities adopted Arabic language and culture, including those indigenous to Palestine and the greater Levant region; Jewish Judeans included, get over it.

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinians never had a nation to LOSE in a war either.

Those fools should stop blaming Israel for their palistanian, allegedly, lost "land and nation", of course.

Unfortunately for them -- their LEASE holders lost THEIR war against Israel.

See, more reason for palistanians to return to their homelands and fight and demand justice and the rent to be paid in full. Then and only then palistanians will rest in peace!

Their homeland is where the European Jews settled.

When did they gain control of this land then, after losing it as war booty in 1917. Ratified by international treaty in 1917 and 1924.

 

[Boston1]

I love the drivel from +972 which in case nobody knows is one of those foreign funded NGOs that just loves to bash Israel.

Antisemitic is a term often used in reference to the rags continued accusation of apartheid in Israel.

Also the definition you offered was just a tad off.

Lets see what else that cherrypicked article you presented says

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The Hebrew meaning of the word Hasbara (הסברה) is “explanation”

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So really based on your own "hasbara" the term could just as easily define the utter nonsense the terrorist supporters around here let fly as they try and "hasbara" there racist and bigoted views. ;--)

 

[Phoenall]

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

No different than the Arabs that immigrated from surrounding countries

There was a big difference. This is from the US but the concept is universal.

IMMIGRANT
:
In popular usage, an "immigrant" is generally understood to be a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. Under this definition, therefore, an "immigrant" is an alien admitted to the U.S. as a lawful permanent resident. The emphasis in this definition is upon the presumptions that (1) the immigrant followed U.S. laws and procedures in establishing residence in our country; (2) he or she wishes to reside here permanently; and (3) he or she swears allegiance to our country or at least solemnly affirms that he/she will observe and respect our laws and our Constitution.

ALIEN: By contrast, an "alien" is generally understood to be a foreigner -- a person who comes from a foreign country -- who does not owe allegiance to our country.

Definitions: Alien, Immigrant, Illegal Alien, Undocumented Immigrant​

How is there a big difference? There was Arab immigration into Palestine. There was Jewish immigration into Palestine. all immigrants.

You didn't read my post. These so called Jewish immigrants did not match the definition of immigrants. They did, however, match the description of aliens or foreigners.

An immigrant moves to a country to be a part of that society. They want to be a member of the existing population.

The Zionists had no intention of being a part of Palestine. The Zionists imported settlers by the boatload to implement their colonial project. Theses settlers lived in colonies separate from anything and everything Palestinian. They were to be place holders on any land obtained by hook or by crook. They were to work and pay taxes. They would be conscripts in the military that would be necessary to create an exclusive Jewish state in a country where the vast majority of people were Muslims and Christians.

To call these settlers immigrants is a great misnomer.

The land had no society as such and was split into Christian, Jewish and muslim enclaves. In 1917 the muslims lost any claims to the land under the Treaty of Sevres and again under the treaty of Lausanne that ratified the terms of the treaty of Sevres. The Jews were invited to settle the land by the sovereign rulers, while the muslims were invited to move across an invisible line in the sand to their new homes. All a matter of recorded history

 

[Phoenall]

I think you are confused as to what the term hasbara means, you should try looking it up in a dictionary sometime ;--)

Hasbara is a form of propaganda aimed at an international audience, primarily, but not exclusively, in western countries. It is meant to influence the conversation in a way that positively portrays Israeli political moves and policies, including actions undertaken by Israel in the past. Often, Hasbara efforts includes a negative portrayal of the Arabs and especially of Palestinians. Hasbara: Why does the world fail to understand us? | +972 Magazine

No need to thank me.

Not a valid source for evidence on anything to do with the Jews.

 

[Boston1]

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

No different than the Arabs that immigrated from surrounding countries

Define Arabs. Ethnic Arabians or indigenous locals who had adopted Arabic language and culture over the centuries?

Define indigenous Arabs. When are invading muhammedans defined as indigenous 'Pal'istanians?

Indigenous Arabs are native to the Arabian peninsula. Not all Muslims are Arabs and not all Arabs are Muslim; may cultures and ethnicities adopted Arabic language and culture, including those indigenous to Palestine and the greater Levant region; Jewish Judeans included, get over it.

Once again your hasbara is exposed for the fraud it is.

One simple glance at any population chart of the time blows the doors off your hasbara nonsense about any native Arab Muslims in Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

No real question about who the first nations were in the area.

Correct; the Palestinians, be they Pagan, Christian, Muslim or Jewish. Not however, the European Zionists who came to colonise the region.

Who amount to barely 20% of Israel's population, so what is your point ?

 

[Phoenall]

After Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948, it became an independent state. So when the armies of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon came in, that was an invasion.

The Arab armies intervened to stop the killing and expulsion of the native people by the invading Europeans. The Jews came from Europe, they by definition are the invaders. The native people, by definition cannot be the invaders.

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

No different than the Arabs that immigrated from surrounding countries

Define Arabs. Ethnic Arabians or indigenous locals who had adopted Arabic language and culture over the centuries?

If they did not originate in the Arabian peninsular then they can not be arabs. It is that simple, so they cant claim to be arab nationalists or of arab origin. Simple when you apply scientific methods to the problem.
Now when you apply scientific methods to European Jews and go on the evidence alone you find that the European Jews have a firm match to the Jews of 1000 years ago negating any claims they are not Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

NO ONE is an invader. Jews are indiginous as are Palestinians. Immigration occurred on both sides from a variety of places. Jews have ALWAYS been there.

Indeed, and the Jews who lived there became Palestinian citizens like everyone else.

The Jews from Europe were a different group of people.

No different than the Arabs that immigrated from surrounding countries

Define Arabs. Ethnic Arabians or indigenous locals who had adopted Arabic language and culture over the centuries?

Define indigenous Arabs. When are invading muhammedans defined as indigenous 'Pal'istanians?

Indigenous Arabs are native to the Arabian peninsula. Not all Muslims are Arabs and not all Arabs are Muslim; may cultures and ethnicities adopted Arabic language and culture, including those indigenous to Palestine and the greater Levant region; Jewish Judeans included, get over it.

So you admit then that the Palestinians are not arabs and have no claims to any land