Deflate-gate? Report: Patriots being investigated for using deflated footballs

[Freewill]

Point being, the difference is negligible.

Just because the difference in weight is negligible does not mean that the difference in the overall effect is negligible. Of course, you damn well know that your logic is bullshit.

That is not why the Pats win games. Perhaps this is some preference of Tom Brady's, but obviously it doesn't REALLY make a difference.

If it makes no difference, then why do it? The fact that it was done is itself evidence of the fact that it can effect the results.

The fact that it is a preference of Brady's is, in and of itself, a change that creates an advantage. Why not just use a smaller ball? Why not use larger footballs for teams that want to? Why not make the field 100 meters? This is a game that will award or rescind touchdowns and first downs based on half an inch. The league regulates footballs, and the Patriots willfully violated those rules with the intent of gaining an advantage.

Your entire position on this seems to be based on the batshit stupid idea that cheating doesn't matter if you win in the end. You're pathetic.

For the same reasons that Aaron Rodgers prefers an overinflated ball, because it probably really means nothing and is just some QB preference that does NOT affect the outcome of games. You are acting as if they committed a MURDER or something. Lighten up. It was AT MOST underinflated equal to the weight of a PIECE OF PAPER.

What's easier to catch, a nerf football or a properly inflated regulation NFL football? What do you think would be easier to carry without fumbling? Yes there is a vast difference between the two but it is used to illustrate the effect of a "softer" ball.

They have a rule for a reason.

Check it out, haters!

How serious is deflate-gate Yahoo Sports does its own ball-deflating test Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports

Weight: Negligible

A football weighs 14.5 ounces, discounting air. At 13 psi, the air inside the ball weighs about one-third of an ounce, or about the weight of two sheets of paper. At 11 psi, the air weighs about one-fourth of an ounce.

Verdict: If you can tell the difference between one-third and one-fourth of an ounce of air inside a one-pound football, you are lying.

Appearance: Also negligible

It's a football. It looks exactly the same at 13 or 11 psi. Take two pounds out of a regulation-inflated ball and it doesn't suddenly become a Salvador Dali-esque melting chunk of leather.

What happens to a football when you let the air out? It becomes non-regulation NFL football that's what.

I have a solution, fine Brady, Billycheck (sp) and the Partiots then change the rule to allow the team any pressure they want.

Maybe a deflated ball also helped Blount hold onto it.

No, I don't think they should be able to do that either. However, I think this hoopla over 1 or 2 PSI is a bit over the top. This is more a "bending of rules" than cheating, IMO. Lol.

The rules are clear it isn't bending them it is breaking them. The ref checked the balls before the game and in between that and the start of the game they were deflated below NFL rules, that is not bending the rules it is breaking the rules. If the Pats are so damn good then why do they have to bend the rules and sometimes outright break them? There BS substitution game may have been a factor in beating the Ravens. In that case they were bending the rules.

 

[Oldstyle]

Do you remember hearing about the Dolphin game where a Jets coach intentionally tripped our player? Is this what you want to see happening in all the games? A damn free for all? Because the allowing of intentional infractions leads to episodes such as that and bounties being put on players, etc. when penalties for such are not severe.
Personally, I would think playoff games should come with even steeper punishment, if cheating is determined.

So all "cheating" destroys the "integrity" of the sport? That includes defensive backs getting away with a hold...or an offensive player getting away with a push-off to catch a winning touchdown...pick plays of course should have offensive coordinators banned for life? Kickers shouldn't be able to use different balls than everyone else...

Please explain to me why a "rub" play has more "integrity" than playing with a softer football?

You cant compare a heat of the moment hold to a planned and calculated attempt to cheat.
They're not even close to the same thing.

A rub play is pretty intentional, it is planned and not a heat of the moment.

Also if you hold, do you tell the ref that you held, so, he can penalize the team. Integrity of the game and all.

Sounds like baseball more than football.

So you're a Dolphins fan who can't stand the fact that the Patriots OWN your asses year in and year out...so you're here whining about balls that the officials handled on every damn play of the first half and didn't notice a problem...while you ignore the fact that the Patriots steamrollered the Colts in the second half...AFTER the balls had been re-inflated? You're not worried about the integrity of the game...you just don't like the Patriots!

Where has it been proven that the footballs were re-inflated for the second half?

Oh...Ya.. Cuz ChrisL said so.. Got it!

Where has any of this been "proven"? All we have right now are anonymous leaks from anonymous sources...one of which stated that the balls were taken at half time and re-inflated. That was what was reported on the Colin Cowherd show yesterday.

But you've already tried and convicted the Patriots...so why would you want to listen to something that contradicts what you already have decided?

 

[Oldstyle]

Point being, the difference is negligible.

Just because the difference in weight is negligible does not mean that the difference in the overall effect is negligible. Of course, you damn well know that your logic is bullshit.

That is not why the Pats win games. Perhaps this is some preference of Tom Brady's, but obviously it doesn't REALLY make a difference.

If it makes no difference, then why do it? The fact that it was done is itself evidence of the fact that it can effect the results.

The fact that it is a preference of Brady's is, in and of itself, a change that creates an advantage. Why not just use a smaller ball? Why not use larger footballs for teams that want to? Why not make the field 100 meters? This is a game that will award or rescind touchdowns and first downs based on half an inch. The league regulates footballs, and the Patriots willfully violated those rules with the intent of gaining an advantage.

Your entire position on this seems to be based on the batshit stupid idea that cheating doesn't matter if you win in the end. You're pathetic.

For the same reasons that Aaron Rodgers prefers an overinflated ball, because it probably really means nothing and is just some QB preference that does NOT affect the outcome of games. You are acting as if they committed a MURDER or something. Lighten up. It was AT MOST underinflated equal to the weight of a PIECE OF PAPER.

What's easier to catch, a nerf football or a properly inflated regulation NFL football? What do you think would be easier to carry without fumbling? Yes there is a vast difference between the two but it is used to illustrate the effect of a "softer" ball.

They have a rule for a reason.

Check it out, haters!

How serious is deflate-gate Yahoo Sports does its own ball-deflating test Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports

Weight: Negligible

A football weighs 14.5 ounces, discounting air. At 13 psi, the air inside the ball weighs about one-third of an ounce, or about the weight of two sheets of paper. At 11 psi, the air weighs about one-fourth of an ounce.

Verdict: If you can tell the difference between one-third and one-fourth of an ounce of air inside a one-pound football, you are lying.

Appearance: Also negligible

It's a football. It looks exactly the same at 13 or 11 psi. Take two pounds out of a regulation-inflated ball and it doesn't suddenly become a Salvador Dali-esque melting chunk of leather.

What happens to a football when you let the air out? It becomes non-regulation NFL football that's what.

I have a solution, fine Brady, Billycheck (sp) and the Partiots then change the rule to allow the team any pressure they want.

Maybe a deflated ball also helped Blount hold onto it.

No, I don't think they should be able to do that either. However, I think this hoopla over 1 or 2 PSI is a bit over the top. This is more a "bending of rules" than cheating, IMO. Lol.

The rules are clear it isn't bending them it is breaking them. The ref checked the balls before the game and in between that and the start of the game they were deflated below NFL rules, that is not bending the rules it is breaking the rules. If the Pats are so damn good then why do they have to bend the rules and sometimes outright break them? There BS substitution game may have been a factor in beating the Ravens. In that case they were bending the rules.

"BS substitution game"? LOL Bottom line is that the Patriots coaching staff was smarter than the Raven's coaching staff. They threw a new wrinkle at the Ravens and the Raven's didn't respond well to it. Their players were covering Patriots players that were ineligible and leaving the eligible ones uncovered. They tried the same thing against the Colts and the Colts were ready for it and it didn't work. It's the same thing that took place when the Dolphins ran the Wildcat offense for the first time against the Patriots years ago and spanked an obviously better opponent. You're the kind of whiner who hates it when your team loses because they get out smarted on the football field...hence the whines about the Raven's game.

 

[Papageorgio]

And isn't interesting that the Patriots picked up Browner

Well according to Belichick and Brady "if you aint cheating you aint trying" Browner fits in perfectly

Like Sherman and Irwin? Two of the seven in recent years found to have PED while playing for the Saintly Seahawks.

Remember Sherman's everybody does it statement.

Of course those cheaters along with Carroll are different than Belichick and those cheaters.

 

[Papageorgio]

And isn't interesting that the Patriots picked up Browner

Well according to Belichick and Brady "if you aint cheating you aint trying" Browner fits in perfectly

Well, you and your hater friends have fun with your hate. Just remember, the Patriots do not need to cheat to win games. They are one of the BEST teams in the NFL. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Nightie night now!

you are correct, they do not need to cheat but the fact is that they have 3 times now so that says something

Like Carroll cheating at USC and then all those PED problems in Seattle, what seven in the last few years, coincides with Carroll arriving.

 

[SwimExpert]

And in yet another "elevator video" incident, it's now revealed that the NFL was aware of deflated football allegations against the Patriots before the AFC Championship game began.

ESPN's Adam Schefter says the Colts' suspicions date back to their Nov. 16 game against New England, a 42-20 Patriots win. In that game, Indianapolis safety Mike Adams intercepted two passes and handed both balls to the Colts' equipment manager to hold as souvenirs. Both balls, Schefter's sources say, were noticeably underinflated.

Those sources said the Colts raised concerns to the league, which was aware of the issue going into this weekend's AFC title game.

Report NFL Was Aware Of Patriots Deflation Allegations Before Sunday

 

[Papageorgio]

So let's throw this out there...the league fines Lynch 100,000 for not talking to the media but playing with sub par balls is a 25,000 fine and if Lynch wore the wrong colored shoes he would be suspended should Seattle go to the Superbowl but a team is found to have used sub standard equipment and investigated for cheating and no suspension? Even Rice was suspended before a full story was known yet the Patriots get what for punishment for 3 different violations of foul play?

If the NFL had waited for the whole story to come out, Rice's suspension would have been upheld.

The investigation in the Patriots needs to be thorough, they will probably find the ballboy the one responsible for it all. They are left in charge of making sure the balls are properly inflated. A ballboy for the Broncos was on SVP and Russillo yesterday and it was his job to make sure all the balls were properly inflated.

Lynch knows the rules about talking and not talking to the press, so he is making a black and white decision. Lynch is a nut job, his last game for Seattle will be the Super Bowl, they won't be able to afford him after that.

We don't want a knee jerk response to the Patriot's issue. This will change the way the NFL handles the footballs during games.

Trying to equate one penalty with another is never going to make sense. Look at penalties within the game. Some of those make no sense.

 

[SwimExpert]

They threw a new wrinkle at the Ravens and the Raven's didn't respond well to it.

The formation itself was not a problem. Yes, you could describe it as a "new wrinkle." The really sticky part was the way they did it. The player stands in front of the official and says "Hey, I'm ineligible" and before the official even has a chance to comprehend what's just been said, the ball is snapped. That is the real issue. The officials said they didn't even know what was going on. Harbaugh had to run out onto the field and take a penalty in order to draw attention to the issue and prompt the officials to take control of the situation. The normal thing would have been for the officials to allow the opposing team to know what was going on. The Pats were trying to prevent that from happening by confusing the officials.

Was it cheating? No. Was it dishonest and poor sportsmanship? Yes.

 

[Papageorgio]

Do you remember hearing about the Dolphin game where a Jets coach intentionally tripped our player? Is this what you want to see happening in all the games? A damn free for all? Because the allowing of intentional infractions leads to episodes such as that and bounties being put on players, etc. when penalties for such are not severe.
Personally, I would think playoff games should come with even steeper punishment, if cheating is determined.

The moment you quailfy cheating is when the integrity of the sport diminishes.

So all "cheating" destroys the "integrity" of the sport? That includes defensive backs getting away with a hold...or an offensive player getting away with a push-off to catch a winning touchdown...pick plays of course should have offensive coordinators banned for life? Kickers shouldn't be able to use different balls than everyone else...

Please explain to me why a "rub" play has more "integrity" than playing with a softer football?

You cant compare a heat of the moment hold to a planned and calculated attempt to cheat.
They're not even close to the same thing.

A rub play is pretty intentional, it is planned and not a heat of the moment.

Also if you hold, do you tell the ref that you held, so, he can penalize the team. Integrity of the game and all.

Sounds like baseball more than football.

So you're a Dolphins fan who can't stand the fact that the Patriots OWN your asses year in and year out...so you're here whining about balls that the officials handled on every damn play of the first half and didn't notice a problem...while you ignore the fact that the Patriots steamrollered the Colts in the second half...AFTER the balls had been re-inflated? You're not worried about the integrity of the game...you just don't like the Patriots!

Old rehash, I'm not a Dolphins fan, I also stated that the inflation of the ball had nothing to do with the outcome of the .colts game, it seems you have comprehension issues.

 

[MisterBeale]

Pereira on #DeflateGate "This is cheating and it is something the league will deal with harshly"

Boy, the Seattle fans are desperate. Maybe they can get the commissioner to spot them 21 points as punishment for the "deflated" balls. Or instead, just call off the SB and give the trophy to the Hawks. How come the refs didn't notice? They spot the ball on every down. I wonder if next year, every team will have to play with the SAME balls.

Maybe the refs did notice. . . .

Perhaps this is a manurfactured scandle to get the nation to hate the Patriots.

Let's remember folks, the NFL is a business. Their job is to attract viewers, to get ratings, to create a villian and a hero. You create a paradigm that all the non-sport enthusiasts, the ones that aren't fanatics, can get behind for the Superbowl. Now the talking heads will have something to talk about.

The league and the sport is FOR PROFIT. As such, you don't leave a multi-billion dollar industry to chance, you manipulate it, you give instructions to your referees and officials.


This years paradigm, especially after the conservative take over of the political land scape, is the team that represents the most progressive globalist Agenda 21city in America, the Sea-Hawks Vs. the no good cheatin' gun totin' angry low down Patriots representing old fashioned American out of touch values.

My real curiosity is if the elites will go so far with their anti-American brain washing as to have Lenny play his classic remake of American Woman during the half-time show and drive the mental conditioning all the way home?



A little peak into what's going on. . .


HOME - The Fix Is In

 

[MisterBeale]

I guess I'll be surprised if the Patriots win.

 

[HUGGY]

Now that this deception has made it to the national evening news it won't go away. It will be the hottest topic for the next ten days and flailed around during the Super Bowl Broadcast in front of one of the largest viewing audiences in history. This is a serious black eye for the Patriots and the NFL which has had a bad season for defending it's image already. There MUST be a serious punishment.

That may not bode well for the Seahawks dude. Nothing brings a team together and gives them motivation like a scandal.

ORRrr...it could just cause chaos and back biting and back stabbing as the players and coaches are scurrying like cockroaches when the light is turned on.

That is NOT going to happen. Wishful thinking on your part. This is going to be GREAT for the Pats. Like I said, they play their best under pressure.

Lucky you. The pressure is on. Belichik responded to the media today and just threw Brady under the bus. You may have unparalleled desire for more pressure but Billy B is being crushed under it.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Do you remember hearing about the Dolphin game where a Jets coach intentionally tripped our player? Is this what you want to see happening in all the games? A damn free for all? Because the allowing of intentional infractions leads to episodes such as that and bounties being put on players, etc. when penalties for such are not severe.
Personally, I would think playoff games should come with even steeper punishment, if cheating is determined.

So all "cheating" destroys the "integrity" of the sport? That includes defensive backs getting away with a hold...or an offensive player getting away with a push-off to catch a winning touchdown...pick plays of course should have offensive coordinators banned for life? Kickers shouldn't be able to use different balls than everyone else...

Please explain to me why a "rub" play has more "integrity" than playing with a softer football?

You cant compare a heat of the moment hold to a planned and calculated attempt to cheat.
They're not even close to the same thing.

A rub play is pretty intentional, it is planned and not a heat of the moment.

Also if you hold, do you tell the ref that you held, so, he can penalize the team. Integrity of the game and all.

Sounds like baseball more than football.

You said earlier

And just because someone hasn't gotten caught makes it ok, in your eyes. Just wow! Remind me to never play cards with you.
Integrity you lack, along with all the others saying, no big
deal.

So if you hold, do you go to the ref and have them penalize you for holding? You are cheating, and you said not getting caught doesn't make it okay.

I'm trying to define where the line is?

A rub is a very intentional play, yet if it is not called no one says a word.

Deflated ball, the refs are supposed to check them before the game, they handled the balls, they said nothing. Now, after the game it is a problem. Now that there is a problem, what is the solution? What is the penalty?

Before you can claim any of your free for all why are some forms of cheating allowed and others not?

Cheating is not accepted that is why there are rules. Break the rules pay the price. You trying to rationalize and normalize that does not work.

that is exactly why the NFL is a joke.You do those things in college the patriots have done,they kick you out of the program.you get caught smoking even cigerretes,your off the team.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

And not allowed. What is it that you don't get?

If anything at all, a deflated ball made it easier for them to grip. That is all.

I just heard a news report about this. Now, they said that two hours before game time, the officials check the balls and check the PSI, then hand the balls back to the ball boys. Now, I must wonder WHO is on the sidelines deflating footballs without being noticed? Lol!

I think those footballs must have been defective. Maybe they should have had a recall.

Anyhow, maybe Bill is a bit of a sleaze, but the Pats would have beat the hell out of the Colts regardless (obviously). I'm a little upset if this is true because the Patriots don't need to cheat to win games. They are a great team. I watch all of their games. Also, one of the Colts said the Pats would have beat them if they had been playing with a ball of soap.

Ok look. A football to an NFL quarterback is like a scalpel in the hands of a surgeon or a golf club in the hands of a PGA pro. There is a very specific way Phil Mickelson wants his irons. He wants a very specific grind. he wants a very specific weighting. He wants a very specific flex in the shaft because all those things impact what he can do with the ball and how he swings a golf club. To the average hacker such minimal details would make no difference in their game at all, but to a tour professional they make all the difference in the world.

A football to an NFL quarterback is the same thing. It's not like they take these balls out of the box on game day and say "here you go". The balls are treated exactly to the specification of the quarterback. They are worked in, they are rubbed down to remove the slippery finish...there's a whole bunch of stuff they do to them. So when those balls get to the sideline they are in the exact shape the quarterback wants and according to the specifications he wants.

Now they were checked by the refs and found to be ok and then suddenly they all lose 2 psi? It's clear that New England knew what was legal and what wasn't so they made sure they were legal for the inspection and afterwards adjusted them to Brady's preferences. Unless you are suggesting that a ball boy or equipment manager took it upon themselves to alter the balls which is absolutely ludicrous. The balls were adjusted because that's how Brady wanted them. It's illegal. They knew it. They did it anyhow. It's cheating and it's on Brady and it's on Belichick because Belichick doesn't give two shits how the balls are as long as they are what his quarterback wants.

great watching you take the Beli -cheat apologists to school.

 

[HUGGY]

Boy, the Seattle fans are desperate. Maybe they can get the commissioner to spot them 21 points as punishment for the "deflated" balls. Or instead, just call off the SB and give the trophy to the Hawks. How come the refs didn't notice? They spot the ball on every down. I wonder if next year, every team will have to play with the SAME balls.

What do the Seahawks or their fans have anything to do with this ball deflation issue?

This is strictly between the Patriots and the Colts and the League.

The Seahawks haven't said a peep about this crazy situation.

 

[ChrisL]

Do you remember hearing about the Dolphin game where a Jets coach intentionally tripped our player? Is this what you want to see happening in all the games? A damn free for all? Because the allowing of intentional infractions leads to episodes such as that and bounties being put on players, etc. when penalties for such are not severe.
Personally, I would think playoff games should come with even steeper punishment, if cheating is determined.

You cant compare a heat of the moment hold to a planned and calculated attempt to cheat.
They're not even close to the same thing.

A rub play is pretty intentional, it is planned and not a heat of the moment.

Also if you hold, do you tell the ref that you held, so, he can penalize the team. Integrity of the game and all.

Sounds like baseball more than football.

You said earlier

And just because someone hasn't gotten caught makes it ok, in your eyes. Just wow! Remind me to never play cards with you.
Integrity you lack, along with all the others saying, no big
deal.

So if you hold, do you go to the ref and have them penalize you for holding? You are cheating, and you said not getting caught doesn't make it okay.

I'm trying to define where the line is?

A rub is a very intentional play, yet if it is not called no one says a word.

Deflated ball, the refs are supposed to check them before the game, they handled the balls, they said nothing. Now, after the game it is a problem. Now that there is a problem, what is the solution? What is the penalty?

Before you can claim any of your free for all why are some forms of cheating allowed and others not?

Cheating is not accepted that is why there are rules. Break the rules pay the price. You trying to rationalize and normalize that does not work.

that is exactly why the NFL is a joke.You do those things in collge the patriots have done,they kick you out of the program.you get caught smoking even cigerretes,your off the team.

Yeah, RIIGHT! Lol! That is a crock of bull crap if I've heard it. How many times have we heard of cheating scandals, sex scandals, bribing ref scandals, CHILD MOLESTATION scandals in the college sports? But here you are bitching about a few that were under inflated, according to regulation guidelines, by about as much as a piece of paper, and that makes the Pats the big bad "criminals"? Get a grip on yourself, you old fool.

 

[Alex.]

Beli-cheat throws Tommy under the bus.

"New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick said Thursday that he had "no knowledge whatsoever" of the underinflating of footballs for the Patriots' AFC championship win against the Indianapolis Colts.

But he said that kickers and quarterbacks, including Patriots star Tom Brady, "do have certain preferences" on how the football feels.


"I can tell you, and they will tell you, that there is never any sympathy whatsoever from me on that subject. Zero," the coach said. "Tom's personal preference in his footballs are something that he can talk about in much better detail."

New England Patriots Coach Bill Belichick No Knowledge Whatsoever of Deflate-Gate - NBC News

 

[Alex.]

Do you remember hearing about the Dolphin game where a Jets coach intentionally tripped our player? Is this what you want to see happening in all the games? A damn free for all? Because the allowing of intentional infractions leads to episodes such as that and bounties being put on players, etc. when penalties for such are not severe.
Personally, I would think playoff games should come with even steeper punishment, if cheating is determined.

A rub play is pretty intentional, it is planned and not a heat of the moment.

Also if you hold, do you tell the ref that you held, so, he can penalize the team. Integrity of the game and all.

Sounds like baseball more than football.

You said earlier

And just because someone hasn't gotten caught makes it ok, in your eyes. Just wow! Remind me to never play cards with you.
Integrity you lack, along with all the others saying, no big
deal.

So if you hold, do you go to the ref and have them penalize you for holding? You are cheating, and you said not getting caught doesn't make it okay.

I'm trying to define where the line is?

A rub is a very intentional play, yet if it is not called no one says a word.

Deflated ball, the refs are supposed to check them before the game, they handled the balls, they said nothing. Now, after the game it is a problem. Now that there is a problem, what is the solution? What is the penalty?

Before you can claim any of your free for all why are some forms of cheating allowed and others not?

Cheating is not accepted that is why there are rules. Break the rules pay the price. You trying to rationalize and normalize that does not work.

that is exactly why the NFL is a joke.You do those things in collge the patriots have done,they kick you out of the program.you get caught smoking even cigerretes,your off the team.

Yeah, RIIGHT! Lol! That is a crock of bull crap if I've heard it. How many times have we heard of cheating scandals, sex scandals, bribing ref scandals, CHILD MOLESTATION scandals in the college sports? But here you are bitching about a few that were under inflated, according to regulation guidelines, by about as much as a piece of paper, and that makes the Pats the big bad "criminals"? Get a grip on yourself, you old fool.

Not big bad criminals just cheaters

 

[ChrisL]

So let's throw this out there...the league fines Lynch 100,000 for not talking to the media but playing with sub par balls is a 25,000 fine and if Lynch wore the wrong colored shoes he would be suspended should Seattle go to the Superbowl but a team is found to have used sub standard equipment and investigated for cheating and no suspension? Even Rice was suspended before a full story was known yet the Patriots get what for punishment for 3 different violations of foul play?

Are you seriously comparing this to beating your wife? WTF is WRONG with you?

 

[ChrisL]

Do you remember hearing about the Dolphin game where a Jets coach intentionally tripped our player? Is this what you want to see happening in all the games? A damn free for all? Because the allowing of intentional infractions leads to episodes such as that and bounties being put on players, etc. when penalties for such are not severe.
Personally, I would think playoff games should come with even steeper punishment, if cheating is determined.

You said earlier

And just because someone hasn't gotten caught makes it ok, in your eyes. Just wow! Remind me to never play cards with you.
Integrity you lack, along with all the others saying, no big
deal.

So if you hold, do you go to the ref and have them penalize you for holding? You are cheating, and you said not getting caught doesn't make it okay.

I'm trying to define where the line is?

A rub is a very intentional play, yet if it is not called no one says a word.

Deflated ball, the refs are supposed to check them before the game, they handled the balls, they said nothing. Now, after the game it is a problem. Now that there is a problem, what is the solution? What is the penalty?

Before you can claim any of your free for all why are some forms of cheating allowed and others not?

Cheating is not accepted that is why there are rules. Break the rules pay the price. You trying to rationalize and normalize that does not work.

that is exactly why the NFL is a joke.You do those things in collge the patriots have done,they kick you out of the program.you get caught smoking even cigerretes,your off the team.

Yeah, RIIGHT! Lol! That is a crock of bull crap if I've heard it. How many times have we heard of cheating scandals, sex scandals, bribing ref scandals, CHILD MOLESTATION scandals in the college sports? But here you are bitching about a few that were under inflated, according to regulation guidelines, by about as much as a piece of paper, and that makes the Pats the big bad "criminals"? Get a grip on yourself, you old fool.

Not big bad criminals just cheaters

What do you know about it? Oh, that's right, nothing.