Deeper Ties to Corporate Cash for Doubtful Climate Researcher

[MarathonMike]

That's a laugh. The great majority of these deniers are funded by big oil. I'm sorry, but I don't call that being true to the "The scientific process".

"US oil company donated millions to climate sceptic groups says Greenpeace Environment The Guardian

A Greenpeace investigation has identified a little-known, privately owned US oil company as the paymaster of global warming sceptics in the US and Europe.

My comment referred to the process that Soon analyzed the metadata for the MWP as well as his rigorous mathematical analysis of Climate models that have been "tweaked" to run hot. You have attempted to dismiss Soon's work based on his possible connection with his funding source. In other words, the standard Liberal attempt to dismiss and distract.

The environmental campaign group accuses Kansas-based Koch Industries, which owns refineries and operates oil pipelines, of funding 35 conservative and libertarian groups, as well as more than 20 congressmen and senators. Between them, Greenpeace says, these groups and individuals have spread misinformation about climate science and led a sustained assault on climate scientists and green alternatives to fossil fuels.

Greenpeace says that Koch Industries donated nearly $48m (£31.8m) to climate opposition groups between 1997-2008. From 2005-2008, it donated $25m to groups opposed to climate change, nearly three times as much as higher-profile funders that time such as oil company ExxonMobil. Koch also spent $5.7m on political campaigns and $37m on direct lobbying to support fossil fuels."

 

[Billy_Bob]

I see that a slander lawsuit was not enough for the climate scaremongers... they have doubled down on the lies... Its going to be fun having the greenies paying millions to defend their slanderous statements.. The New Your Slimes is not fit for bird cage cover any more..

How is it slander to point out a really bad case of conflict of interest? If this had been a scientist that supports AGW, you people would be all over him like a dog with his milkbone. Complain all you want, it only shows you people lack anything resembling ethics. But then, we knew that already.

Conflict of Interest? You have got to be fucking kidding me... How many of your alarmist pals sit on review boards and pal review shit papers? deny funding to non AGW agenda works? Deny publication of works which show your lie?

Dr Soon was open and honest unlike your left wing gaggle of fools who smear anyone who threatens their circle jerk peer review handouts..

 

[Luddly Neddite]

We've been hearing about this for years. The good news is that the deniers can no longer lie about their "findings".



"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort

A Drexel University study finds that a large slice of donations to organizations that deny global warming are funneled through third-party pass-through organizations that conceal the original funder

December 23, 2013 |By Douglas Fischer and The Daily Climate






A shift to untraceable donations by organizations denying climate change undermines democracy, according to the author of a new study tracking contributions to such groups.
Wikimedia Commons/Carol M. Highsmith

The largest, most-consistent money fueling the climate denial movement are a number of well-funded conservative foundations built with so-called "dark money," or concealed donations, according to an analysis released Friday afternoon.


The study, by Drexel University environmental sociologist Robert Brulle, is the first academic effort to probe the organizational underpinnings and funding behind the climate denial movement.


It found that the amount of money flowing through third-party, pass-through foundations like DonorsTrust and Donors Capital, whose funding cannot be traced, has risen dramatically over the past five years.


In all, 140 foundations funneled $558 million to almost 100 climate denial organizations from 2003 to 2010.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

• 
  
• 
  
• Meet The Climate Denial Machine
  
  
• 
  
• Heartland Institute And James Taylor
• Competitive Enterprise Institute
• Chris Horner And The American Tradition Institute
• Manhattan Institute And Robert Bryce
• Heritage Foundation
• Cato Institute And Patrick Michaels
• American Enterprise Institute
• Marc Morano
• Anthony Watts
• Steve Milloy
• Joe Bastardi
• Matt Ridley
• Larry Bell

Ignore the bullets above. This is a list of some of those who are buying the deniers' lies.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Petroleum and Propaganda

The Anatomy of the Global Warming Denial Industry

by John W. Farley

Powell argues that “in the denial of global warming, we are witnessing the most vicious, and so far most successful, attack on science in history.” Although Powell himself is not a climate science researcher, he has an appropriate background to understand the field: he holds a doctorate in geochemistry from MIT and became a geology professor, teaching at Oberlin College for over twenty years. He has been a college president at three institutions, and served for a dozen years on the National Science Board. Powell’s book is a sharp attack on the global-warming denial “industry,” a network comprised of corporate funding, think tanks, popularizers, and propagandists, who all work with a compliant mass media.


Corporate Funders


Powell details the support of ExxonMobil for denialism, but omits the combative Koch brothers, owners of Koch Energy, the world’s largest privately held energy company. ExxonMobil is the biggest funder of global-warming denialism, spending nearly $16 million on more than forty organizations over the period 1998–2005. Powell also mentions in passing funding by ideological conservative foundations, motivated by opposition to government regulation of the economy.

 

[Billy_Bob]

We've been hearing about this for years. The good news is that the deniers can no longer lie about their "findings".



"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort

A Drexel University study finds that a large slice of donations to organizations that deny global warming are funneled through third-party pass-through organizations that conceal the original funder

December 23, 2013 |By Douglas Fischer and The Daily Climate






A shift to untraceable donations by organizations denying climate change undermines democracy, according to the author of a new study tracking contributions to such groups.
Wikimedia Commons/Carol M. Highsmith

The largest, most-consistent money fueling the climate denial movement are a number of well-funded conservative foundations built with so-called "dark money," or concealed donations, according to an analysis released Friday afternoon.


The study, by Drexel University environmental sociologist Robert Brulle, is the first academic effort to probe the organizational underpinnings and funding behind the climate denial movement.


It found that the amount of money flowing through third-party, pass-through foundations like DonorsTrust and Donors Capital, whose funding cannot be traced, has risen dramatically over the past five years.


In all, 140 foundations funneled $558 million to almost 100 climate denial organizations from 2003 to 2010.

Left wing hacks purporting left wing lies.. while you omit the 890 Billion dollars spent by governments and left wing socialists to prove their fraud.. And their request to funnel 36 trillion from the US to boot..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Petroleum and Propaganda

The Anatomy of the Global Warming Denial Industry

by John W. Farley

Powell argues that “in the denial of global warming, we are witnessing the most vicious, and so far most successful, attack on science in history.” Although Powell himself is not a climate science researcher, he has an appropriate background to understand the field: he holds a doctorate in geochemistry from MIT and became a geology professor, teaching at Oberlin College for over twenty years. He has been a college president at three institutions, and served for a dozen years on the National Science Board. Powell’s book is a sharp attack on the global-warming denial “industry,” a network comprised of corporate funding, think tanks, popularizers, and propagandists, who all work with a compliant mass media.


Corporate Funders


Powell details the support of ExxonMobil for denialism, but omits the combative Koch brothers, owners of Koch Energy, the world’s largest privately held energy company. ExxonMobil is the biggest funder of global-warming denialism, spending nearly $16 million on more than forty organizations over the period 1998–2005. Powell also mentions in passing funding by ideological conservative foundations, motivated by opposition to government regulation of the economy.

Are you guys going to come clean about your billions upon billions of dollars from left wing organizations and hidden socialist donors too? You all complain about real scientists showing your fraud for what it is and then you try and demonize those showing your fraud.. Nice Alyinsky tactics from the left wit morons...

 

[Billy_Bob]

Well both the study and the article in the NYSlimes is due to the propaganda arm of Organizing For America. A socialist organization funded by Geroge Soros..

No political agenda here now is there.....

 

[PredFan]

It's ok that the researchers who push the AGW scam on us get their bajillions in research money, but deniers are criticized for it.

Back when education was quality, and facts were taught instead of political talking points, we were taught that the sun was the dominant determining factor in our climate. Now a days when our education system is churning idiots out by the hundreds of thousands a year, we are being told that no, it's humans.

 

[Iceweasel]

I see that a slander lawsuit was not enough for the climate scaremongers... they have doubled down on the lies... Its going to be fun having the greenies paying millions to defend their slanderous statements.. The New Your Slimes is not fit for bird cage cover any more..

How is it slander to point out a really bad case of conflict of interest? If this had been a scientist that supports AGW, you people would be all over him like a dog with his milkbone. Complain all you want, it only shows you people lack anything resembling ethics. But then, we knew that already.

But it isn't a conflict of interests to take public money and create a cottage industry around it?

 

[orogenicman]

I see that a slander lawsuit was not enough for the climate scaremongers... they have doubled down on the lies... Its going to be fun having the greenies paying millions to defend their slanderous statements.. The New Your Slimes is not fit for bird cage cover any more..

How is it slander to point out a really bad case of conflict of interest? If this had been a scientist that supports AGW, you people would be all over him like a dog with his milkbone. Complain all you want, it only shows you people lack anything resembling ethics. But then, we knew that already.

Conflict of Interest? You have got to be fucking kidding me... How many of your alarmist pals sit on review boards and pal review shit papers? deny funding to non AGW agenda works? Deny publication of works which show your lie?

Dr Soon was open and honest unlike your left wing gaggle of fools who smear anyone who threatens their circle jerk peer review handouts..

It is probably true that climate deniers don't often get government funding, if at all. And likely the reason for that is that they have to actually show their work. I know, it is a silly detail.

So what you are saying is that you are okay with his ethical violations. Got it.

 

[PredFan]

The funny and ironic thing about liberal thinking is that they are frightened by the possibility that a CORPORATION (gasp) could influence science, but a government consisting of politicians have nothing but selflessness and goodness in mind.

 

[orogenicman]

I see that a slander lawsuit was not enough for the climate scaremongers... they have doubled down on the lies... Its going to be fun having the greenies paying millions to defend their slanderous statements.. The New Your Slimes is not fit for bird cage cover any more..

How is it slander to point out a really bad case of conflict of interest? If this had been a scientist that supports AGW, you people would be all over him like a dog with his milkbone. Complain all you want, it only shows you people lack anything resembling ethics. But then, we knew that already.

But it isn't a conflict of interests to take public money and create a cottage industry around it?

NASA takes public money. Look at the industry that has sprung up around it.

 

[orogenicman]

The funny and ironic thing about liberal thinking is that they are frightened by the possibility that a CORPORATION (gasp) could influence science, but a government consisting of politicians have nothing but selflessness and goodness in mind.

Yes, when the tobacco industry pays "scientists" to say that smoking doesn't cause cancer when the science is clear that it does, it does frighten me. It also makes me angry, as it should you. And when the petrochemical industry tries to tell me that their products don't hurt anyone, all I have to do is point to their own facilities and their products, and show people the results of their actions.

 

[PredFan]

The funny and ironic thing about liberal thinking is that they are frightened by the possibility that a CORPORATION (gasp) could influence science, but a government consisting of politicians have nothing but selflessness and goodness in mind.

Yes, when the tobacco industry pays "scientists" to say that smoking doesn't cause cancer when the science is clear that it does, it does frighten me. It also makes me angry, as it should you. And when the petrochemical industry tries to tell me that their products don't hurt anyone, all I have to do is point to their own facilities and their products, and show people the results of their actions.

Have some companies done some terrible things? Sure. Shall we talk about politicians and governments now?

 

[Iceweasel]

I see that a slander lawsuit was not enough for the climate scaremongers... they have doubled down on the lies... Its going to be fun having the greenies paying millions to defend their slanderous statements.. The New Your Slimes is not fit for bird cage cover any more..

How is it slander to point out a really bad case of conflict of interest? If this had been a scientist that supports AGW, you people would be all over him like a dog with his milkbone. Complain all you want, it only shows you people lack anything resembling ethics. But then, we knew that already.

But it isn't a conflict of interests to take public money and create a cottage industry around it?

NASA takes public money. Look at the industry that has sprung up around it.

So? NASA is doing what we pay them to do. If they try to take over business with cap and trade or carbon credit bullshit they will get trimmed down a bit.

 

[bripat9643]

That's a laugh. The great majority of these deniers are funded by big oil. I'm sorry, but I don't call that being true to the "The scientific process".

"US oil company donated millions to climate sceptic groups says Greenpeace Environment The Guardian

A Greenpeace investigation has identified a little-known, privately owned US oil company as the paymaster of global warming sceptics in the US and Europe.


The environmental campaign group accuses Kansas-based Koch Industries, which owns refineries and operates oil pipelines, of funding 35 conservative and libertarian groups, as well as more than 20 congressmen and senators. Between them, Greenpeace says, these groups and individuals have spread misinformation about climate science and led a sustained assault on climate scientists and green alternatives to fossil fuels.

Greenpeace says that Koch Industries donated nearly $48m (£31.8m) to climate opposition groups between 1997-2008. From 2005-2008, it donated $25m to groups opposed to climate change, nearly three times as much as higher-profile funders that time such as oil company ExxonMobil. Koch also spent $5.7m on political campaigns and $37m on direct lobbying to support fossil fuels."

No one spreads more misinformation the so-called "scientists" sucking on the government tit. If oil company funding corrupts science, then so does government funding. You fucking morons keep forgetting that you live in a glass house. You can't attack the message, so you attack the messenger. You're nothing but a gang of sleazy hosebag propagandists.

And you have nothing but an empty ad hominem and exactly nothing to support your claims. Typical of the right.

An ad hominem is what you posted, numskull.

You just proved your ignorance, congrats!

No, actually you did. You don't even know what an ad hominem argument is. I attacked you personally, but I didn't try to use it as an argument that you were wrong. However you attempt to use a personal attack as a justification for claim Soon's information is false. The bottom line is that you're a moron who doesn't know the slightest thing about logic or science.

 

[PredFan]

A government run by politicians and controlled by PACs is good and true. They would never tamper with data to achieve the results they and their money sources want. They would never organize a campaign of intimidation in either scientific circles or the media, no no that's not how politicians do things.

Politicians, the PACs that pay them, and the government that they run only functions for the common good of the people. Never would those good and honest souls ever concider anything underhanded.

Right?

 

[orogenicman]

The funny and ironic thing about liberal thinking is that they are frightened by the possibility that a CORPORATION (gasp) could influence science, but a government consisting of politicians have nothing but selflessness and goodness in mind.

Yes, when the tobacco industry pays "scientists" to say that smoking doesn't cause cancer when the science is clear that it does, it does frighten me. It also makes me angry, as it should you. And when the petrochemical industry tries to tell me that their products don't hurt anyone, all I have to do is point to their own facilities and their products, and show people the results of their actions.

Have some companies done some terrible things? Sure. Shall we talk about politicians and governments now?

So you would rather move the goalpost than admit that you are wrong? Interesting strategy. Does it work very often?

 

[bripat9643]

• 
  
• 
  
• Meet The Climate Denial Machine
  
  
• 
  
• Heartland Institute And James Taylor
• Competitive Enterprise Institute
• Chris Horner And The American Tradition Institute
• Manhattan Institute And Robert Bryce
• Heritage Foundation
• Cato Institute And Patrick Michaels
• American Enterprise Institute
• Marc Morano
• Anthony Watts
• Steve Milloy
• Joe Bastardi
• Matt Ridley
• Larry Bell

Ignore the bullets above. This is a list of some of those who are buying the deniers' lies.

More ad hominem commie propaganda. You can't attack the message, so attack the messenger.

So-called "dark money" is the new left-wing bogeyman. Of course, the fact that the left is wallowing in dark money doesn't discourage them from attacking anyone who declines to disclose their donors.The left just can't stand the fact that anyone might question the credibility of their latest scheme to loot and enslave the populace. When ideas can't stand on their own merits, the left cranks up their smear machine.