Debunking the "Crusaders were the good guys" myth.

[Vigilante]

List of Islamic terrorist attacks 1980 - Present...too many to list here

List of Islamic terrorist attacks - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Agit8r]

Catholicism is not Christianity! See this series for the truth behind the "Crusaders" and realize that

As obvious as it is that Islam has it's share of barbarism, it is nonetheless completely dishonest to pretend that Christianity has been a net source of good in the world. And most especially, it is absurd to pretend as if the Crusaders were good people. One only needs examine a summary from the point of view of a religious minority who were the subject to both Crusaders and Muslims during this period:

With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias. Heraclius later reneged on the agreement after reconquering Palestine by issuing an edict banning Judaism from the Byzantine Empire and thousands of Jewish refugees fled to Egypt, following Byzantine and Ghassanid perpetrated massacres across the Galilee and Jerusalem.
...

After the [Muslim] conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city. Seventy Jewish families from Tiberias moved to Jerusalem in order to help strengthen the Jewish community there. But with the construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 and the Al-Aqsa Mosque in 705, the Muslims established the Temple Mount as an Islamic holy site. The dome enshrined the Foundation Stone, the holiest site for Jews. Before Omar Abd al-Aziz died in 720, he banned the Jews from worshipping on the Temple Mount.
...

In 1099, the Jews were among the rest of the population who tried in vain to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders. When the city fell, a massacre of 6,000 Jews occurred when the synagogue they were seeking refuge in was set alight. Almost all perished... Under Crusader rule, Jews were not allowed to hold land and involved themselves in commerce in the coastal towns during times of quiescence. Most of them were artisans: glassblowers in Sidon, furriers and dyers in Jerusalem.[citation needed] At this time there were Jewish communities scattered all over the country, including Jerusalem, Tiberias, Ramleh, Ashkelon, Caesarea, and Gaza. In line with trail of bloodshed the Crusaders left in Europe on their way to liberate the Holyland, in Palestine, both Muslims and Jews were indiscriminately massacred or sold into slavery.
...

The Crusader rule over Palestine had taken its toll on the Jews. Relief came in 1187 when Ayyubid Sultan Saladin defeated the Crusaders in the Battle of Hattin, taking Jerusalem and most of Palestine. (A Crusader state centred round Acre survived in weakened form for another century.) In time,Saladin issued a proclamation inviting all Jews to return and settle in Jerusalem, and according to Judah al-Harizi, they did: "From the day the Arabs took Jerusalem, the Israelites inhabited it." Al-Harizi compared Saladins decree allowing Jews to re-establish themselves in Jerusalem to the one issued by the Persian Cyrus the Great over 1,600 years earlier.

History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Catholicism is not Christianity! The Catholic Vatican was behind the Crusades and here is the first part of the story! See for yourself and pass on the information you learn! This is the true story and it is a series - start here - it was done in comic book form for a reason - the information you will learn from Dr. Alberto Rivera - an Ex - Jesuit who answered directly to the Pope is all true - this is his story. Listen to this!

And the good part of Christianity in those days was the Eastern Orthodox church? Is that your story?

No. The eastern Orthodox church is just another branch of Catholicism and there is no salvation to be found there.

You DO realize that for most of it's history, Christianity has been represented by those two sects.

 

[Agit8r]

Did the Crusaders BEHEAD the muslims?

Historians seldom go into many gory details of how the Crusaders slaughtered Muslims and Jews... except for the parts about the cannibalism...

 

[Darkwind]

As obvious as it is that Islam has it's share of barbarism, it is nonetheless completely dishonest to pretend that Christianity has been a net source of good in the world. And most especially, it is absurd to pretend as if the Crusaders were good people. One only needs examine a summary from the point of view of a religious minority who were the subject to both Crusaders and Muslims during this period:

With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias. Heraclius later reneged on the agreement after reconquering Palestine by issuing an edict banning Judaism from the Byzantine Empire and thousands of Jewish refugees fled to Egypt, following Byzantine and Ghassanid perpetrated massacres across the Galilee and Jerusalem.
...

After the [Muslim] conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city. Seventy Jewish families from Tiberias moved to Jerusalem in order to help strengthen the Jewish community there. But with the construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 and the Al-Aqsa Mosque in 705, the Muslims established the Temple Mount as an Islamic holy site. The dome enshrined the Foundation Stone, the holiest site for Jews. Before Omar Abd al-Aziz died in 720, he banned the Jews from worshipping on the Temple Mount.
...

In 1099, the Jews were among the rest of the population who tried in vain to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders. When the city fell, a massacre of 6,000 Jews occurred when the synagogue they were seeking refuge in was set alight. Almost all perished... Under Crusader rule, Jews were not allowed to hold land and involved themselves in commerce in the coastal towns during times of quiescence. Most of them were artisans: glassblowers in Sidon, furriers and dyers in Jerusalem.[citation needed] At this time there were Jewish communities scattered all over the country, including Jerusalem, Tiberias, Ramleh, Ashkelon, Caesarea, and Gaza. In line with trail of bloodshed the Crusaders left in Europe on their way to liberate the Holyland, in Palestine, both Muslims and Jews were indiscriminately massacred or sold into slavery.
...

The Crusader rule over Palestine had taken its toll on the Jews. Relief came in 1187 when Ayyubid Sultan Saladin defeated the Crusaders in the Battle of Hattin, taking Jerusalem and most of Palestine. (A Crusader state centred round Acre survived in weakened form for another century.) In time,Saladin issued a proclamation inviting all Jews to return and settle in Jerusalem, and according to Judah al-Harizi, they did: "From the day the Arabs took Jerusalem, the Israelites inhabited it." Al-Harizi compared Saladins decree allowing Jews to re-establish themselves in Jerusalem to the one issued by the Persian Cyrus the Great over 1,600 years earlier.

History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Where was the claim ever made that christianity was the net source of good in the crusades? The first thing that has to be understood before any debate on this is what the crusades were.

Muslims were preventing Christians from returning to those areas that symbolized their faith. The Pope called for them to be removed.

It had nothing to do with good or bad, but a right to their artifacts. Today, tell a Muslim he cannot go to the mount on the rock (Or whatever its called...Temple Mount I think) and you'll get a first hand glimpse at what the Christians of those times were doing.

In no way, however, is there some kind of moral equivalence of Muslims being the same as Christians. They were then, and are today, barbaric.

 

[Agit8r]

List of Islamic terrorist attacks 1980 - Present...too many to list here

List of Islamic terrorist attacks - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

List of bombings during the Northern Ireland Troubles and peace process - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Vigilante]

Did the Crusaders BEHEAD the muslims?

Historians seldom go into many gory details of how the Crusaders slaughtered Muslims and Jews... except for the parts about the cannibalism...

You mean they acted like muslims? Seems the crusades were in response from muslim aggression for a few hundred years, and they finally got the balls to kill muslims!

 

[Vigilante]

List of Islamic terrorist attacks 1980 - Present...too many to list here

List of Islamic terrorist attacks - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

List of bombings during the Northern Ireland Troubles and peace process - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, they weren't too bright...seems that that shit has been settled... and your excuse for muslim terrorist today?

 

[Agit8r]

In no way, however, is there some kind of moral equivalence of Muslims being the same as Christians. They were then, and are today, barbaric.

List of Islamic terrorist attacks 1980 - Present...too many to list here

List of Islamic terrorist attacks - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

List of bombings during the Northern Ireland Troubles and peace process - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, they weren't too bright...seems that that shit has been settled... and your excuse for muslim terrorist today?

Who is excusing anything? The conflict in Northern Ireland hasn't even been over for 20 years. Not much of an ebb. Even the anti-civil-rights bombers weren't that long ago...

 

[Vigilante]

In no way, however, is there some kind of moral equivalence of Muslims being the same as Christians. They were then, and are today, barbaric.

List of Islamic terrorist attacks 1980 - Present...too many to list here

List of Islamic terrorist attacks - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

List of bombings during the Northern Ireland Troubles and peace process - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes, they weren't too bright...seems that that shit has been settled... and your excuse for muslim terrorist today?

Who is excusing anything? The conflict in Northern Ireland hasn't even been over for 20 years. Not much of an ebb. Even the anti-civil-rights bombers weren't that long ago...

Let's compare...how many Christians were killed in Ireland over the last year, as to how many muslim's killed other muslims in ...say Iraq, over the last year?

 

[westwall]

Care to point out the Christian atrocities of the last 300 years?

Glad you asked:

Famine in India - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Pogroms Jewish Virtual Library



White Terror Spain - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The Northern Irish Conflict A Chronology

Tragedy in Uganda Joseph Kony massacre survivors tell their stories World news The Guardian

Here you go, response, from your links...and really. Wiki is the best you can come up with...........

The famine in India is attributed to incompetent British rule, not a religious pogrom. Lord Lytton was an ignorant, incompetent fop who felt that famine relief would encourage the native workers to shirk their responsibilities.

The whole of Europe is, and has been anti Semitic for millennia, so this is nothing new. The causes of the pogroms are once again contained within your link..."The pogroms occurred during periods of severe political crisis in the country and were linked to social upheavals and nationalist incitement in Eastern Europe." So, once again it was progressives lighting the flame that ignited the anti Jewish attacks. But, once again, it was not driven by the Church but local governmental officials.

The White terror was once again a Nationalist creature....

" A few brave priests put their lives at risk by criticizing nationalist atrocities, but the majority of the clergy in nationalist areas revelled in their new-found power and the increased size of their congregations."

So, the INDIVIDUALS involved were happy to help the Nationalists out, but it wasn't the Church that was advocating for the murders. Got it.


The Irish, Nationalism rears it's ugly head yet again and the Protestants were warring against the Catholics. Got it.

Ahhhh, yes good old Kony. Here is the critical part of the wiki link provided..."Ideologically, LRA believe in African mysticism and Christian fundamentalism.[15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25] It claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and local Acholi tradition"

So, as can be seen they are a mix of various beliefs, none of which are supported by any Church that we know of. In fact there are many Christian Churches who are actively working to combat the terror and destruction committed by these scumbags.



So, what you are showing us is, just like the radical Muslims involved in terrorism, there is a small number of "Christian" like terrorists who are likewise committing atrocities.

Is this supposed to be something new and earth shattering? I think every one on this board knows this to be true. Assholes are assholes the world round. Some use government to give legitimacy to their crimes, some use religion, some use atheism..... The end result is the same though. People are people and when one is a big enough asshole he kills a lot of people. That's why it is paramount to ensure the freedom of people to be armed so they can defend themselves from scum like this.

 

[MisterBeale]

Catholicism is not Christianity! See this series for the truth behind the "Crusaders" and realize that

As obvious as it is that Islam has it's share of barbarism, it is nonetheless completely dishonest to pretend that Christianity has been a net source of good in the world. And most especially, it is absurd to pretend as if the Crusaders were good people. One only needs examine a summary from the point of view of a religious minority who were the subject to both Crusaders and Muslims during this period:

With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias. Heraclius later reneged on the agreement after reconquering Palestine by issuing an edict banning Judaism from the Byzantine Empire and thousands of Jewish refugees fled to Egypt, following Byzantine and Ghassanid perpetrated massacres across the Galilee and Jerusalem.
...

After the [Muslim] conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city. Seventy Jewish families from Tiberias moved to Jerusalem in order to help strengthen the Jewish community there. But with the construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 and the Al-Aqsa Mosque in 705, the Muslims established the Temple Mount as an Islamic holy site. The dome enshrined the Foundation Stone, the holiest site for Jews. Before Omar Abd al-Aziz died in 720, he banned the Jews from worshipping on the Temple Mount.
...

In 1099, the Jews were among the rest of the population who tried in vain to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders. When the city fell, a massacre of 6,000 Jews occurred when the synagogue they were seeking refuge in was set alight. Almost all perished... Under Crusader rule, Jews were not allowed to hold land and involved themselves in commerce in the coastal towns during times of quiescence. Most of them were artisans: glassblowers in Sidon, furriers and dyers in Jerusalem.[citation needed] At this time there were Jewish communities scattered all over the country, including Jerusalem, Tiberias, Ramleh, Ashkelon, Caesarea, and Gaza. In line with trail of bloodshed the Crusaders left in Europe on their way to liberate the Holyland, in Palestine, both Muslims and Jews were indiscriminately massacred or sold into slavery.
...

The Crusader rule over Palestine had taken its toll on the Jews. Relief came in 1187 when Ayyubid Sultan Saladin defeated the Crusaders in the Battle of Hattin, taking Jerusalem and most of Palestine. (A Crusader state centred round Acre survived in weakened form for another century.) In time,Saladin issued a proclamation inviting all Jews to return and settle in Jerusalem, and according to Judah al-Harizi, they did: "From the day the Arabs took Jerusalem, the Israelites inhabited it." Al-Harizi compared Saladins decree allowing Jews to re-establish themselves in Jerusalem to the one issued by the Persian Cyrus the Great over 1,600 years earlier.

History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Catholicism is not Christianity! The Catholic Vatican was behind the Crusades and here is the first part of the story! See for yourself and pass on the information you learn! This is the true story and it is a series - start here - it was done in comic book form for a reason - the information you will learn from Dr. Alberto Rivera - an Ex - Jesuit who answered directly to the Pope is all true - this is his story. Listen to this!

And the good part of Christianity in those days was the Eastern Orthodox church? Is that your story?

No. The eastern Orthodox church is just another branch of Catholicism and there is no salvation to be found there.

Jesus said, "Grapes are not harvested from thorn trees, nor are figs gathered from thistles, for they yield no fruit.

Good persons produce good from what they've stored up; bad persons produce evil from the wickedness they've stored up in their hearts, and say evil things. For from the overflow of the heart they produce evil."

 

[irosie91]

Catholicism is not Christianity! See this series for the truth behind the "Crusaders" and realize that

As obvious as it is that Islam has it's share of barbarism, it is nonetheless completely dishonest to pretend that Christianity has been a net source of good in the world. And most especially, it is absurd to pretend as if the Crusaders were good people. One only needs examine a summary from the point of view of a religious minority who were the subject to both Crusaders and Muslims during this period:

With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias. Heraclius later reneged on the agreement after reconquering Palestine by issuing an edict banning Judaism from the Byzantine Empire and thousands of Jewish refugees fled to Egypt, following Byzantine and Ghassanid perpetrated massacres across the Galilee and Jerusalem.
...

After the [Muslim] conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city. Seventy Jewish families from Tiberias moved to Jerusalem in order to help strengthen the Jewish community there. But with the construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 and the Al-Aqsa Mosque in 705, the Muslims established the Temple Mount as an Islamic holy site. The dome enshrined the Foundation Stone, the holiest site for Jews. Before Omar Abd al-Aziz died in 720, he banned the Jews from worshipping on the Temple Mount.
...

In 1099, the Jews were among the rest of the population who tried in vain to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders. When the city fell, a massacre of 6,000 Jews occurred when the synagogue they were seeking refuge in was set alight. Almost all perished... Under Crusader rule, Jews were not allowed to hold land and involved themselves in commerce in the coastal towns during times of quiescence. Most of them were artisans: glassblowers in Sidon, furriers and dyers in Jerusalem.[citation needed] At this time there were Jewish communities scattered all over the country, including Jerusalem, Tiberias, Ramleh, Ashkelon, Caesarea, and Gaza. In line with trail of bloodshed the Crusaders left in Europe on their way to liberate the Holyland, in Palestine, both Muslims and Jews were indiscriminately massacred or sold into slavery.
...

The Crusader rule over Palestine had taken its toll on the Jews. Relief came in 1187 when Ayyubid Sultan Saladin defeated the Crusaders in the Battle of Hattin, taking Jerusalem and most of Palestine. (A Crusader state centred round Acre survived in weakened form for another century.) In time,Saladin issued a proclamation inviting all Jews to return and settle in Jerusalem, and according to Judah al-Harizi, they did: "From the day the Arabs took Jerusalem, the Israelites inhabited it." Al-Harizi compared Saladins decree allowing Jews to re-establish themselves in Jerusalem to the one issued by the Persian Cyrus the Great over 1,600 years earlier.

History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Catholicism is not Christianity! The Catholic Vatican was behind the Crusades and here is the first part of the story! See for yourself and pass on the information you learn! This is the true story and it is a series - start here - it was done in comic book form for a reason - the information you will learn from Dr. Alberto Rivera - an Ex - Jesuit who answered directly to the Pope is all true - this is his story. Listen to this!

And the good part of Christianity in those days was the Eastern Orthodox church? Is that your story?

No. The eastern Orthodox church is just another branch of Catholicism and there is no salvation to be found there.

Jesus said, "Grapes are not harvested from thorn trees, nor are figs gathered from thistles, for they yield no fruit.

Good persons produce good from what they've stored up; bad persons produce evil from the wickedness they've stored up in their hearts, and say evil things. For from the overflow of the heart they produce evil."

an artichoke is a THISTLE------people love them.
I see no morality difference whatsoever between the
crusaders and the muslims during the time of the
crusades -----both were depraved------the HOLY ROMAN
EMPIRE at that time was the FIRST REICH-----and the
CALIIPHATE----was the MUSLIM REICH-----both of them
used the same legal code-----that of CONSTANTINE,, to
commit LEGAL GENOCIDE_-------adolf aped it with the
NUREMBURG LAWS------same same disgusting crap---
even down to the yellow insignia for jews. From reich to
reich to caliphate to caliphate and beck to reich and now
back to caliphate------examine their agendae-----SAME
OLD SHIT

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Important to acknowledge that a truly good person, or representative of a given religion is one you never notice. If they're on the news, they've done something, usually really bad, to come to our attention. So what I think is happening lately is we're judging religions by the actions of those not content to be religious and praise GOd so much as try to impose their thing onto everyone else.

 

[irosie91]

Important to acknowledge that a truly good person, or representative of a given religion is one you never notice. If they're on the news, they've done something, usually really bad, to come to our attention. So what I think is happening lately is we're judging religions by the actions of those not content to be religious and praise GOd so much as try to impose their thing onto everyone else.

such movements are galvanized by just a few people but do
not happen at all unless LOTS ARE WILLING TO JOIN UP.
I am judging by WHAT THEY DO AND HAVE DONE AND
HAVE NEVER REPUDIATED. The Holy Roman Empire---first, second and third reichs------ARE ALL GONE-----
The caliphate came and never actually went away.
People who have not had candid conversations with
muslims do not know-----THE CALIPHATE NEVER
WENT OUT OF THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE OF
THE UMMAH------with all its depravity. There are estimates that at the very least ---tens of thousands of eager mujahadeen have joined ISIS and the CALIPH big bad BAGHDADDY. -------the shit going on in Yemen is not much
different-----as is the shit going on in Libya and Tunisia----
watch the shit grow

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Catholicism is not Christianity! See this series for the truth behind the "Crusaders" and realize that

As obvious as it is that Islam has it's share of barbarism, it is nonetheless completely dishonest to pretend that Christianity has been a net source of good in the world. And most especially, it is absurd to pretend as if the Crusaders were good people. One only needs examine a summary from the point of view of a religious minority who were the subject to both Crusaders and Muslims during this period:

With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias. Heraclius later reneged on the agreement after reconquering Palestine by issuing an edict banning Judaism from the Byzantine Empire and thousands of Jewish refugees fled to Egypt, following Byzantine and Ghassanid perpetrated massacres across the Galilee and Jerusalem.
...

After the [Muslim] conquest, Jewish communities began to grow and flourish. Umar allowed and encouraged Jews to settle in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Christian rule, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city. Seventy Jewish families from Tiberias moved to Jerusalem in order to help strengthen the Jewish community there. But with the construction of the Dome of the Rock in 691 and the Al-Aqsa Mosque in 705, the Muslims established the Temple Mount as an Islamic holy site. The dome enshrined the Foundation Stone, the holiest site for Jews. Before Omar Abd al-Aziz died in 720, he banned the Jews from worshipping on the Temple Mount.
...

In 1099, the Jews were among the rest of the population who tried in vain to defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders. When the city fell, a massacre of 6,000 Jews occurred when the synagogue they were seeking refuge in was set alight. Almost all perished... Under Crusader rule, Jews were not allowed to hold land and involved themselves in commerce in the coastal towns during times of quiescence. Most of them were artisans: glassblowers in Sidon, furriers and dyers in Jerusalem.[citation needed] At this time there were Jewish communities scattered all over the country, including Jerusalem, Tiberias, Ramleh, Ashkelon, Caesarea, and Gaza. In line with trail of bloodshed the Crusaders left in Europe on their way to liberate the Holyland, in Palestine, both Muslims and Jews were indiscriminately massacred or sold into slavery.
...

The Crusader rule over Palestine had taken its toll on the Jews. Relief came in 1187 when Ayyubid Sultan Saladin defeated the Crusaders in the Battle of Hattin, taking Jerusalem and most of Palestine. (A Crusader state centred round Acre survived in weakened form for another century.) In time,Saladin issued a proclamation inviting all Jews to return and settle in Jerusalem, and according to Judah al-Harizi, they did: "From the day the Arabs took Jerusalem, the Israelites inhabited it." Al-Harizi compared Saladins decree allowing Jews to re-establish themselves in Jerusalem to the one issued by the Persian Cyrus the Great over 1,600 years earlier.

History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Catholicism is not Christianity! The Catholic Vatican was behind the Crusades and here is the first part of the story! See for yourself and pass on the information you learn! This is the true story and it is a series - start here - it was done in comic book form for a reason - the information you will learn from Dr. Alberto Rivera - an Ex - Jesuit who answered directly to the Pope is all true - this is his story. Listen to this!

And the good part of Christianity in those days was the Eastern Orthodox church? Is that your story?

No. The eastern Orthodox church is just another branch of Catholicism and there is no salvation to be found there.

Jesus said, "Grapes are not harvested from thorn trees, nor are figs gathered from thistles, for they yield no fruit.

Good persons produce good from what they've stored up; bad persons produce evil from the wickedness they've stored up in their hearts, and say evil things. For from the overflow of the heart they produce evil."

Which is why you should recognize the fruit of Catholicism as pure evil. The Jesuits have been exposed by Dr. Alberto Rivera as cold blooded murderers and he should know because he was trained to be one and answered directly to the Pope! His assignments to destroy Protestantism and anyone who stood in the way of the Roman Catholic Institution was part of an oath he took to become a Jesuit called the extreme induction oath - so do yourself a favor and look up Jack Chick publications and find out about the book they have on his life and all that happened.
Speaking of Jesuits. I posted a five part series on Alberto Rivera done in comic book form - and posted one on this thread. If you click on the comic you'll see that they hacked the youtube video blurring the words of every page in the comic - they did it to all 5 comics and they didn't do it here on this USMB board - they did it on the main youtube videos - I looked at them last night. They have been hacked and destroyed. The Vatican is very worried about the truth being known as to who the Jesuits are and the kind of people they are - warlocks, sorcerers, satanists working on assignment for the Jesuit General. There is absolutely nothing Christian about this organization. Heinrich Himmler's (the nazi) uncle was a Jesuit Father and was a Superior officer during Hitler's reign of terror. Hitler himself said that Himmler the Jesuit was his "Ignatius Loyola"! Who is that? That was the founder of the Jesuit order and the Illuminati - a Roman Catholic!

 

[irosie91]

uhm-----there must be some good Jesuits......... they have
a reputation of being very scholarly. -------sheeeeesh---they
can't ALL BE BAD

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Important to acknowledge that a truly good person, or representative of a given religion is one you never notice. If they're on the news, they've done something, usually really bad, to come to our attention. So what I think is happening lately is we're judging religions by the actions of those not content to be religious and praise GOd so much as try to impose their thing onto everyone else.

such movements are galvanized by just a few people but do
not happen at all unless LOTS ARE WILLING TO JOIN UP.
I am judging by WHAT THEY DO AND HAVE DONE AND
HAVE NEVER REPUDIATED. The Holy Roman Empire---first, second and third reichs------ARE ALL GONE-----
The caliphate came and never actually went away.
People who have not had candid conversations with
muslims do not know-----THE CALIPHATE NEVER
WENT OUT OF THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE OF
THE UMMAH------with all its depravity. There are estimates that at the very least ---tens of thousands of eager mujahadeen have joined ISIS and the CALIPH big bad BAGHDADDY. -------the shit going on in Yemen is not much
different-----as is the shit going on in Libya and Tunisia----
watch the shit grow

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! The first, second, and third reich of the Roman Catholic Mafioso was just a warm up for the final fourth which is their own plan to become the one true faith - one world leader and anyone who doesn't go along will be put to death. What they didn't accomplish through their golden child - Hitler - they will make sure of this time - which is why they have been building up to this moment, Rosie. Do not trust the Vatican! I repeat! Do not trust the Roman Catholicism their pope, their Vatican or the Jesuits they have sent into our society to infiltrate us! These men are the sons of Satan and must be exposed. As a Jewish woman you have a duty to warn your own people, Rosie! I urge you to do it! Immediately!

 

[indiajo]

As obvious as it is that Islam has it's share of barbarism, it is nonetheless completely dishonest to pretend that Christianity has been a net source of good in the world. And most especially, it is absurd to pretend as if the Crusaders were good people. One only needs examine a summary from the point of view of a religious minority who were the subject to both Crusaders and Muslims during this period:

See, sometimes in life you have to choose sides.
Around the first crusade Islam was ruling almost all over Spain, and the envy and battling between all this european kingdoms and countships, cities like venice, the split of the Roman empire into Rome and Byzanz and so forth has invited the islamic rulers to do what they did since around 600 BC.
In other words, it was 5 minutes to 12, high noon.

Of course the crusaders were not nice people, and with holding hands and singing "we shall overcome" it would not have been possible to create an army capable of fighting back the Muslims.
But no matter what they did, it prevented Europe from becoming a Caliphate.
Maybe they don't teach you that in the schools in US, but Islam was constantly forcing its way to Europe until that was finally stopped 1683 outside the gates of Vienna.
You guys in the US would be a muslim nation if this would not have happened. Get that into your relativazing heads.

This were the medieval ages, there were no good doers walking around talking about human rights for everyone, including free lunch and stuff.
You had the right to work as villein and die, and the two religions did not differ that much in this point.
Stop judging all that from the viepoint of your couch in a central heated apartment with a full fridge and bathroom plus internet connection.

 

[Agit8r]

Despite religion being a net evil in the world, there are reasonably descent individuals in every faith. Because often people adapt to the absurdities around them--whether it be a religious, political, economic system, etc.

The problem that accompanies this adaptability, is that it is usually accompanied by a limitless ability to turn a blind eye to the evil all around them.