Damn....they nabbed the cleaning crew...

They channel people and are a deterrent. No one said they're impenetrable.

Again, if you weren't so stupid, you'd realize that no deterrent is going to stop a truly determined person.

These people crossed mountains and deserts and oceans to get to that wall, do you really think a 20 foot fence is going to stop them?
 
Most immigrants aren't criminals. Most of them just want to come here and do the menial jobs you and I wouldn't want to do.

I want them here because I think they should have the same fair chance that our ancestors had. And also, without immigration, America would find itself in a demographic death spiral like Japan and South Korea are currently going through.

This is very rational to me, but I doubt it's rational to you.
ALL illegal aliens are criminals as are the faux "asylum seekers" who knowingly applied for political asylum that they didn't qualify for. It's just a question of degree of criminality.
 
ALL illegal aliens are criminals as are the faux "asylum seekers" who knowingly applied for political asylum that they didn't qualify for. It's just a question of degree of criminality.

How do you know if they didn't have a hearing?

If those stupid Germans are eligible for asylum, everyone is.

And as soon as they identified themselves, they were released.

That really doesn't make it better.
 
Again, if you weren't so stupid, you'd realize that no deterrent is going to stop a truly determined person.

Gee that's what I said.....

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Except no one is talking about that. I'm all for comprehensive immigration reform I've detailed many times.

Here's the problem you have. As long as white people keep hiring illegals, they'll keep coming.
Dear Diary: Today I learned there are zero non-white owned businesses that hire illegals. I know! Stupid, isn't it? But that's what this moron said to me, and pretended he made a valid point.
What I don't hear in any of Trump and Homan's plans is how they are going to stop that. (Considering Trump has hired undocumented workers in the past, he can always start with his own businesses.)
By closing the border, dumdum.
If Trump was only deporting violent criminals, I wouldn't have an issue.
Doubt it.
The 200 people he sent back to Columbia, none of them were criminals and some of them were women and children.
Were they here illegally?
He's also talking about opening a concentration camp at Gitmo, I'm sure that's not going to turn out bad at all.
Would you like them in your neighborhood?
 
How do you know if they didn't have a hearing?

If those stupid Germans are eligible for asylum, everyone is.



That really doesn't make it better.
Because there are NGOs in Mexico coaching the illegal aliens to demand asylum knowing that their hearings are nearly a decade out at this point. Something north of ninety percent of asylum seekers don’t even bother to show up for their hearings and most that do are denied. Economic hardship is not grounds for political asylum.
 
Dear Diary: Today I learned there are zero non-white owned businesses that hire illegals. I know! Stupid, isn't it? But that's what this moron said to me, and pretended he made a valid point.

Yes, you are stupid. You know damned well most companies are owned by white people in this country, and they do most of the hiring of illegals.

By closing the border, dumdum.

Except you can't close the border. Too much commerce happens across it. And if commerce is happening, immigration is happening.

41% of undocumented immigrants are people who overstayed their visas. they didn't have to sneak across a border.

Were they here illegally?
Not the point.

Would you like them in your neighborhood?

Wouldn't bother me at all. My next door neighbor for years was undocumented. (His wife was a US Citizen). And he was one of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet.
 
problem with fences is that they're useless. Fences can be cut through, climbed over, or dug under. And of course, 41% of undocumented immigrants came in on valid visas and just overstayed them.

We don't have an adequate GW program, that's the problem.

We also don't have adequate workplace enforcement

The fence is not just a fence....

It has all sorts of sensors in it. Any schmuck so much as putting a ladder against it will instantly tell ICE or military where to start shooting. You can't dig/tunnel under it either for the same reasons.
Just because staff is not visible doesn't mean that their not watching the entire fence.

Border protection has been possible for decades. Only Trump has actually done anything about it.
 
Yes, you are stupid. You know damned well most companies are owned by white people in this country, and they do most of the hiring of illegals.
Your irrational hatred of white people makes you say stupid things.
Except you can't close the border. Too much commerce happens across it. And if commerce is happening, immigration is happening.

41% of undocumented immigrants are people who overstayed their visas. they didn't have to sneak across a border.


Not the point.



Wouldn't bother me at all. My next door neighbor for years was undocumented. (His wife was a US Citizen). And he was one of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet.
Like all Democrats, you sure are generous with other people's lives.
 
The fence is not just a fence....

It has all sorts of sensors in it. Any schmuck so much as putting a ladder against it will instantly tell ICE or military where to start shooting. You can't dig/tunnel under it either for the same reasons.
Just because staff is not visible doesn't mean that their not watching the entire fence.

Border protection has been possible for decades. Only Trump has actually done anything about it.

Except more illegals crossed the border under Trump's four years than Obama's 8.

Right now, people were presenting themselves at the border because they were getting a fair hearing for asylum.
Now that they aren't, they'll just back to sneaking under easily folded fences.


The $15 billion border wall built under former President Trump is being scaled by people using $5 ladders, according to Texas Monthly.

The report cites U.S. Border Patrol agents who monitor the wall along the U.S.-Mexico border that crosses into southern Texas. The agents said they often find ladders left behind by undocumented migrants who use them to climb over certain portions of the border wall.

Trump’s promises of building a border wall were the cornerstone of his 2016 presidential campaign. He pledged to build a wall spanning 1,000 miles funded by Mexico. During his presidency, more than 400 miles of already-existing border wall were reinforced, and only about 80 miles of previously nonexistent wall were constructed. The wall was funded by federal taxes.

“Unlike the wall,” Nichol’s said, “these ladders are functional.”
 
Dumb laws deserve to be broken.

I agree! Of course, I'm certain you would be shrieking in outrage if most of the country started ignoring what I consider "dumb laws."

Again, if you weren't so stupid, you'd realize that no deterrent is going to stop a truly determined person.

These people crossed mountains and deserts and oceans to get to that wall, do you really think a 20 foot fence is going to stop them?
No, but a wide strip of land mines and an armed drone will.
 
I agree! Of course, I'm certain you would be shrieking in outrage if most of the country started ignoring what I consider "dumb laws."

Nope. Most people ignore the dumb laws already. But as long as Rush Limbaugh gets probation and Breonna Taylor gets shot over the dumb laws, people will continue to be upset about them.

No, but a wide strip of land mines and an armed drone will.

that will go well until the first child steps on a land mine... then we aren't going to look very good.

(Most of the world has banned land mines, BTW)

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Another point, which I'm not going to read your response to because I have you on ignore.

Whose land are you going to render unusable by planting land mines on it? most of the land on the border between Mexico and the US private owned. Are you going to render it useless for ranchers and farmers to plant illegal land mines?

You don't think these things through at all, do you, Ditchweed?
 
Nope. Most people ignore the dumb laws already. But as long as Rush Limbaugh gets probation and Breonna Taylor gets shot over the dumb laws, people will continue to be upset about them.

Spare me your false outrage. You had no problem with Breonna Taylor's murder.

that will go well until the first child steps on a land mine... then we aren't going to look very good.

(Most of the world has banned land mines, BTW)

I don't give a shit. Quite often, they are the right tool for the job.

Another point, which I'm not going to read your response to because I have you on ignore.

That's a lie.

Whose land are you going to render unusable by planting land mines on it? most of the land on the border between Mexico and the US private owned. Are you going to render it useless for ranchers and farmers to plant illegal land mines?

Purchase it, take it via eminent domain, or simply put the mines on the Mexican side of the border.
 
I spent five years as a hospital janitor. It all comes back.
It would be interesting to read posters here who have done janitorial work.

I was hired by the telephone Co in CA to solder wires, test circuits and so on. I worked in a switching office to earn money to attend college. My boss did not want me to leave to go to college. I asked him for a good schedule. Anyway, it did not work out so I was transferred to being a company janitor at only 18 at most. I was not very good doing that. At least due to women whining. I lasted maybe 5 months and got fired. Never would I ever try to do that job again.
 
It would be interesting to read posters here who have done janitorial work.

I was hired by the telephone Co in CA to solder wires, test circuits and so on. I worked in a switching office to earn money to attend college. My boss did not want me to leave to go to college. I asked him for a good schedule. Anyway, it did not work out so I was transferred to being a company janitor at only 18 at most. I was not very good doing that. At least due to women whining. I lasted maybe 5 months and got fired. Never would I ever try to do that job again.
Janitorial despite its rather unobtrusive sounding name is a full spectrum skill. There's a lot to know about it. Everything from running machinery to refinishing floors to the right way to take a spot out of a carpet. Unfortunately it tends to be very low paying.

Hospital Janitorial is even more challenging since one has to be fully trained in the procedures pertaining to infectious diseases.

I enjoyed the job... I just couldn't pay the bills.
 
But as long as Rush Limbaugh gets probation and Breonna Taylor gets shot over the dumb laws, people will continue to be upset about them.
You did not know Rush Limbaugh died? And Breonna was the victim of her own boyfriend.
 
Janitorial despite its rather unobtrusive sounding name is a full spectrum skill. There's a lot to know about it. Everything from running machinery to refinishing floors to the right way to take a spot out of a carpet. Unfortunately it tends to be very low paying.

Hospital Janitorial is even more challenging since one has to be fully trained in the procedures pertaining to infectious diseases.

I enjoyed the job... I just couldn't pay the bills.
Where I worked, the phone company did not have carpets. We did use mechanical equipment to clean the linoleum floors. It is housekeeping and we want it to be excellent.
 
Because there are NGOs in Mexico coaching the illegal aliens to demand asylum knowing that their hearings are nearly a decade out at this point. Something north of ninety percent of asylum seekers don’t even bother to show up for their hearings and most that do are denied. Economic hardship is not grounds for political asylum.
Probably being funded by USAID
 

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