Dallas: Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress & a Bell P-63 Kingcobra collided & crashed with each other. It's unclear how many people were on board both planes

[airplanemechanic]

Looks like you may be mistaken concerning the pilot......... Looks like the P-63 pilot may have hit a drone first.

Dallas Midair Tragedy: New Videos Show Startling Change in Flight Path of P-63

The NTSB has released its preliminary findings. The fighter did not hit a drone. It was following the air boss's orders to change flying "lanes". Turns out the air boss was brand new and never did this before.



Like Juan points out, at Reno it is not legal to pass an airplane on the inside. You HAVE to pass it on the outside. Why? Because when you go wings up to another plane, you can't see it anymore.

The guy in the P63 was following orders and never saw the B17 until he hit it.

 

[westwall]

The NTSB has released its preliminary findings. The fighter did not hit a drone. It was following the air boss's orders to change flying "lanes". Turns out the air boss was brand new and never did this before.



Like Juan points out, at Reno it is not legal to pass an airplane on the inside. You HAVE to pass it on the outside. Why? Because when you go wings up to another plane, you can't see it anymore.

The guy in the P63 was following orders and never saw the B17 until he hit it.

That makes it even more tragic

 

[airplanemechanic]

That makes it even more tragic

Yep, it basically means NEITHER pilot screwed up. This blood is on the air boss's hands.

But the reason I gave before as to why the planes hit stands. He never saw the B17. It was under his engine cowling the entire time.

 

[westwall]

Yep, it basically means NEITHER pilot screwed up. This blood is on the air boss's hands.

Absofuckinglutely.

 

[Ringel05]

The NTSB has released its preliminary findings. The fighter did not hit a drone. It was following the air boss's orders to change flying "lanes". Turns out the air boss was brand new and never did this before.



Like Juan points out, at Reno it is not legal to pass an airplane on the inside. You HAVE to pass it on the outside. Why? Because when you go wings up to another plane, you can't see it anymore.

The guy in the P63 was following orders and never saw the B17 until he hit it.

Glad they cleared that up. Would hate to be in the air boss's shoes knowing I was responsible for that crash and resultant deaths.

 

[Delldude]

The NTSB has released its preliminary findings. The fighter did not hit a drone. It was following the air boss's orders to change flying "lanes". Turns out the air boss was brand new and never did this before.



Like Juan points out, at Reno it is not legal to pass an airplane on the inside. You HAVE to pass it on the outside. Why? Because when you go wings up to another plane, you can't see it anymore.

The guy in the P63 was following orders and never saw the B17 until he hit it.

Suddenly we await the facts.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Suddenly we await the facts.

Nothing I said in my first reply was wrong. I explained how the fighter pilot could have hit the B17 and never see it. I NEVER speculated as to WHY it happened. I only stated HOW it happened.

Thank you for playing.

 

[odanny]

Air boss was incompetent, arrogant, and never gave the slightest consideration to safety. He did not even allocate minimums on altitude, he let the boys 'wing it', and his radio call for the fighters to pull in front did not specify the B-17 that was in front of the fighters, leaving the fighters (and the P-63) believing they should lead the formation and to get in position. As the P-63 raced to do this he had traffic in front he didn't see and was not warned of.

Air boss being sued, but he works in a body shop.

NTSB Releases Docket for Fatal Wings Over Dallas Airshow Midair - FLYING Magazine

The National Transportation Safety Board has released witness statements gathered from the fatal airshow collision of a B-17G and P-63F that killed six.

www.flyingmag.com

 

[westwall]

Air boss was incompetent, arrogant, and never gave the slightest consideration to safety. He did not even allocate minimums on altitude, he let the boys 'wing it', and his radio call for the fighters to pull in front did not specify the B-17 that was in front of the fighters, leaving the fighters (and the P-63) believing they should lead the formation and to get in position. As the P-63 raced to do this he had traffic in front he didn't see and was not warned of.

Air boss being sued, but he works in a body shop.

NTSB Releases Docket for Fatal Wings Over Dallas Airshow Midair - FLYING Magazine

The National Transportation Safety Board has released witness statements gathered from the fatal airshow collision of a B-17G and P-63F that killed six.

www.flyingmag.com

Yeah, we knew that within a few minutes of the crash.

Nice to see it confirmed, but not news.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Yeah, we knew that within a few minutes of the crash.

Nice to see it confirmed, but not news.

No we didn't. We knew a few days later, but by then people were saying that the p63 hit him on purpose which is absurd. But the NTSB does not say the air boss was arrogant. In fact it said he had 20 years of experience doing this.

 

[whitehall]

It looks like "air shows" might be poorly run. Put them all in the air without a plan? What's the worst that can happen?

 

[westwall]

No we didn't. We knew a few days later, but by then people were saying that the p63 hit him on purpose which is absurd. But the NTSB does not say the air boss was arrogant. In fact it said he had 20 years of experience doing this.

Actually, we did. Those of us in the airshow/air race world were following the action in real time.

My buddy on scene told me within 15 minutes that the air boss fucked up.

 

[marvin martian]

A collision occurred at a World War II airshow in Dallas, authorities said.

6 dead after 2 planes collide and crash during WWII air show in Dallas

A collision occurred at the World War II air show Wings Over Dallas on Saturday, authorities said. Six people have died.

abcnews.go.com

I think air shows need to be retired. The people and equipment are too valuable to squander like this.

 

[odanny]

Actually, we did. Those of us in the airshow/air race world were following the action in real time.

Then speak for yourself

 

[airplanemechanic]

Actually, we did. Those of us in the airshow/air race world were following the action in real time.

My buddy on scene told me within 15 minutes that the air boss fucked up.

That means nothing. When two planes collide during an airshow with a performance such as this, the first person blamed is the airboss. That's normal.

 

[odanny]

The comments the air boss made to investigators after 6 people died on his watch were stunning, not only arrogant, but also contemptuous of safety protocols.

 

[airplanemechanic]

The comments the air boss made to investigators after 6 people died on his watch were stunning, not only arrogant, but also contemptuous of safety protocols.

To be clear, I'm not saying the air boss wasn't at fault. I'm simply saying its normal to blame him/her first. Doesn't mean they are at fault. But I'm certain this time they were.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

It looks like "air shows" might be poorly run. Put them all in the air without a plan? What's the worst that can happen?

Just imagine what a Muslim air show would look like.

 

[Delldude]

Just imagine what a Muslim air show would look like.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

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I was thinking more of an aerial demolition derby.