D-Day Myth Feeds Trump's Militarism

The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.
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"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism
The second front in Europe was begun on July 9, 1943, followed by an invasion of the Italian mainland on Sept 3, 1943.
Never mind the African Campaign. Most Americans don't even know about the early days of the War..they think that it all began with Ike and D-day---victory after victory. They don't remember Kassarine Pass at all.

Yes, The Russians took it on the chin..after Hitler reneged on his deal with Stalin. But--there WAS a deal. Russia would have been fine with Hitler doing whatever..as long as he kept it out of Russia. So..to some extent, Stalin reaped what he sowed.

The Russian counter-offensives were fueled by American resource. I take nothing away from the Russian sacrifice--but let it be known that without American support...Russia probably would have lost--Britain also..for that matter.

"The Red Army used a large number of lend-lease tanks and other armoured vehicles from the USA, Great Britain and Canada.
A total of 22,800 armoured vehicles were delivered to the Red Army during World War II, of which 1,981 were lost in dangerous Arctic convoys. These deliveries represented about 20 percent of the total number of armoured vehicles produced by Russia during the war. Specifically, this was 16 per cent of Russian main battle tanks, 12 per cent of Russian self-propelled gun carriages and tank destroyers, and 100 per cent of Russian infantry fighting vehicles, as Russia did not manufacture any armoured infantry fighting vehicles during the Second World War.

The first deliveries of tanks took place already in 1941, namely 487 Matilda II tanks, Valentine and Tetrarch from UK as well as 182 M3A1 Stuart and medium tanks M3 Lee from the USA.
In 1942 Britain delivered another 2,487 tanks and the USA 3,023. The first Russian units equipped with these lend-lease tanks went into action with Valentine and Matilda tanks at Staraya Russia and in the Valdai area in December 1941 and January 1942.

At the beginning of 1943 there were 1,023 lend-lease tanks in Russian units, although 6,179 had been delivered since 1941. In the years 1944 and 1945, with the large access of American M4A2 Sherman, some Tank Corps and Mechanized Corps were equipped exclusively with this tank type. The M4A2 Sherman was not as brilliant a design as the Russian T-34 tank, but in the subsequent conflicts in Korea and the Middle East the US tank was – despite the superiority of the T-34 on paper – always the winner between the two.
Of much more decisive importance for Russian warfare, however, were the deliveries of motor vehicles, especially from the United States. During the Second World War, Russia built only 343,624 cars and trucks, since the major automobile manufacturers, such as the GAZ factories, were used to manufacture armoured combat vehicles. The USA alone supplied the Russians with 501,660 tactical wheeled and tracked vehicles, including 77,972 Jeeps, 151,053 1.5 t trucks and 200,622 2.5 t trucks."


Lend-Lease tanks and aircrafts

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/battle-of-the-kasserine-pass
Another phase of American involvement and sacrifice of WWII, all the Americans who were lost at sea transporting those supplies and equipment to Russia. My father in law served on Liberty Ships. Never really got recognized for his service. Thankfully, he survived and came home or my first wife would not have been born.
The civilian casualties suffered by our Merchant marine do get lost in our WWII narrative..The Murmansk runs were pure hell.

Running the Gauntlet: The Murmansk Run & WWII’s Arctic Convoys


"Thousands of cargo ships, manned by tens of thousands of brave British, Canadian, and American civilian merchant mariners, along with Navy and Coast Guard personnel, made the hazardous voyages carrying invaluable supplies to America’s chief Allies—Great Britain and the Soviet Union—months before, and years after, the United States was propelled into the war on December 7, 1941.

The voyages across the North Atlantic and from Iceland to the Russian ports of Murmansk, Archangel, and Kola Inlet involved more hazards than in any other kind of naval duty. Severe weather was commonplace. Ice fields could be encountered at any time of year. Floating mines were a constant menace. German submarines, surface craft, and warplanes could strike at will from nearby bases in German-occupied Norway. And, prior to the spring of 1943, when an effective Allied antisubmarine offensive got underway, ships and men making the so-called “Murmansk Run” had about one chance in three of returning."
 
the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc
D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."
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Never mind the African Campaign. Most Americans don't even know about the early days of the War..they think that it all began with Ike and D-day---victory after victory. They don't remember Kassarine Pass at all. <snip>

North Africa was a bigger, more costly, defeat for Hitler than was Stalingrad.

It took Italy effectively out of the War. And they were tougher than most realize. Good Navy, some promising aircraft, a lot of manpower.

It's debatable, but some think North Africa was a worse defeat for Hitler. It also cut him off from much of his oil supplies. A big problem for him the rest of the War
 
the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc
D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."



Blaming America for the shit that Hollywood turns out, is not fair. Hollywood left America a long time ago.
 
Never mind the African Campaign. Most Americans don't even know about the early days of the War..they think that it all began with Ike and D-day---victory after victory. They don't remember Kassarine Pass at all. <snip>

North Africa was a bigger, more costly, defeat for Hitler than was Stalingrad.

It took Italy effectively out of the War. And they were tougher than most realize. Good Navy, some promising aircraft, a lot of manpower.

It's debatable, but some think North Africa was a worse defeat for Hitler. It also cut him off from much of his oil supplies. A big problem for him the rest of the War

" It also cut him off from much of his oil supplies."

Bingo! That's why his thrust east was to take Crimea first, he needed that Oil.
 
How does taking incredible casualties equate to winning a freaking war? Stalin and Hitler were two of a kind and neither intended to live up to the pact they signed. Stalin turned to his other friend, FDR, when he needed supplies to fight the Nazis and FDR was glad to oblige his new friend "uncle Joe". The Russians had little in the way of air power and no navy forces to speak of. They had troops used for cannon fodder and a a cavalry on horseback. The Russians didn't break the back of the Germans at Stalingrad, the winter did. Through the years Stalin probably killed more of his own people than the Nazis did. Ike was set to take Berlin in the closing days of the war and for some reason he was told to hold up and let the Russian hoard take the city. How did that work out?
 
Trump militarism....????!!!!! hahahahahhahahaha
most people don't know crap about WW2--they are NOT myths
a ridiculous OP/thread
You're confused about where Trump came from?
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"Bullying has been a means of controlling people by putting them in 'their place' perhaps for as long as there have been humans.

"We live in militaristic capitalism.

"Capitalism is bullying; it is a competition with winners and losers.

"Militarism is also bullying: violence, aggression, and submission to authority.

"Militaristic capitalism combines two bullying principles, which multiplies their effect.

"The United States openly views itself as the world police force, a benign hegemon morally ordained to impose its interests and values on the rest of the world and justified in the name of freedom, human rights, and antiterrorism to do whatever it wants to weaker countries.

"The United States spends more on weapons than its ten largest competitors combined."

How America's militaristic, capitalist culture led to Trump

Putting a draft-dodging billionaire in the White House is ridiculous.
 
the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc
D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."
Saving P R was about a small American unit--not ALL of DDAY hahahhahahahahahh
hahahahhahahahahahahhaha !!!
most movies leave out a lot of crap and spin the truth.....wtheck is the problem??
you bring up Saving P R as you're evidence ???!!!!!!!??....hahahahahahhahaah
Saving P R was about a small American unit--not ALL of DDAY hahahhahahahahahh
hahahahhahahahahahahhaha !!!
most movies leave out a lot of crap and spin the truth.....wtheck is the problem??
you bring up Saving P R as you're evidence ???!!!!!!!??....hahahahahahhahaah
Where did you learn History, Trump U?

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"What we have to remember is that throughout most of World War II, the U.S. and the British faced 10 German divisions combined.

"The Soviets were facing more than 200 German divisions.

"The Germans lost approximately 1 million men on the Western front.

"They lost 6 million on the Eastern front.

"There is reason why Churchill said the Red Army tore the guts out of the German war machine.

"However, that’s not what Americans learn.

"But the reality is that the Soviets defeated the Nazis with aid from the Americans and the British and the Canadians and others. It was a vast coalition.

"But the ones who did most of the fighting and most of the dying were the Soviets.

"The Americans lost about little more than 300,000 in combat and 400,000 total in World War II.

"The Soviets lost 27 million. 27 million."
 
The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.
trump-vietnam.jpg


"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism
The second front in Europe was begun on July 9, 1943, followed by an invasion of the Italian mainland on Sept 3, 1943.
The second front in Europe was begun on July 9, 1943, followed by an invasion of the Italian mainland on Sept 3, 1943.
Months after the Soviet victory at Stalingrad and years after Stalin first began asking for a western intervention to stop Hitler.
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"The Battle of Stalingrad (23 August 1942 – 2 February 1943)[18][19][20][21] was the largest confrontation of World War II, in which Germany and its allies fought the Soviet Union for control of the city of Stalingrad (now Volgograd) in Southern Russia."

Battle of Stalingrad - Wikipedia
 
The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.
trump-vietnam.jpg


"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

I see you forgot to mention that the russians worked WITH hitler at the start of the war, had a non-aggression pact, and managed to pick up some territory while the germans did the REAL work.....


If hitler hadn't invaded russia the russians would have been happy to let hitler continue his aggression while they (the russians) kept absorbing smaller countries.

They were NOT heroes.

And let us not forget that AFTER the war while the EVIL AMERICANS were busy spending money helping countries to rebuild and maintain their autonomy the russians KEPT all of the territory they stole, built walls to keep people in and slaughtered thousands.......

the russians were NOT "the good guys".....
 
the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc
D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."
Saving P R was about a small American unit--not ALL of DDAY hahahhahahahahahh
hahahahhahahahahahahhaha !!!
most movies leave out a lot of crap and spin the truth.....wtheck is the problem??
you bring up Saving P R as you're evidence ???!!!!!!!??....hahahahahahhahaah
Saving P R was about a small American unit--not ALL of DDAY hahahhahahahahahh
hahahahhahahahahahahhaha !!!
most movies leave out a lot of crap and spin the truth.....wtheck is the problem??
you bring up Saving P R as you're evidence ???!!!!!!!??....hahahahahahhahaah
Where did you learn History, Trump U?

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"What we have to remember is that throughout most of World War II, the U.S. and the British faced 10 German divisions combined.

"The Soviets were facing more than 200 German divisions.

"The Germans lost approximately 1 million men on the Western front.

"They lost 6 million on the Eastern front.

"There is reason why Churchill said the Red Army tore the guts out of the German war machine.

"However, that’s not what Americans learn.

"But the reality is that the Soviets defeated the Nazis with aid from the Americans and the British and the Canadians and others. It was a vast coalition.

"But the ones who did most of the fighting and most of the dying were the Soviets.

"The Americans lost about little more than 300,000 in combat and 400,000 total in World War II.

"The Soviets lost 27 million. 27 million."
and?? so?
 
The US won the war in Europe?
The Soviets experienced one 911 per day every day for 24 years.
The equivalent of every American east of Chicago dying at Nazi hands.
trump-vietnam.jpg


"It was the Soviet army that broke Hitler's back at Stalingrad, but the myth that the American army liberated Europe, serves aggressive U.S. policy, including Trump targeting Iran...."

Why did the allies wait until 1944 to open a "Second Front" in Europe?

"You have to remember that in May of ’42, Roosevelt took the initiative to ask Stalin to send Molotov and a trusted general to Washington D.C.

"He met there with them.

"And during that meeting he turns to General Marshall, and he says, can the United States open up the second front before the end of 1942, open up the second front in Europe?

"And Marshall says yes.

"And then they issue a proclamation committing the United States to open up a second front."

Two years after the Soviets tore the guts out of Hitler's war machine.

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism
the OP is stupid--there is no mythology about it
 
the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc
D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."

You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?
You really want to try and make the point that the American's did NOT know that the Canadians and the British were targeting Gold, Juno and Sword? You're a bright one aren't you?
Do you want to pretend Americans today know the Soviets losses totaled 27 million compared to America's 400,000? Maybe you're aware of a survey in France during May of 1945 asking who won the war in Europe? 57% said the Soviets. Today the number is less than 15%.
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the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc
D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."
Saving P R was about a small American unit--not ALL of DDAY hahahhahahahahahh
hahahahhahahahahahahhaha !!!
most movies leave out a lot of crap and spin the truth.....wtheck is the problem??
you bring up Saving P R as you're evidence ???!!!!!!!??....hahahahahahhahaah
Saving P R was about a small American unit--not ALL of DDAY hahahhahahahahahh
hahahahhahahahahahahhaha !!!
most movies leave out a lot of crap and spin the truth.....wtheck is the problem??
you bring up Saving P R as you're evidence ???!!!!!!!??....hahahahahahhahaah
Where did you learn History, Trump U?

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"What we have to remember is that throughout most of World War II, the U.S. and the British faced 10 German divisions combined.

"The Soviets were facing more than 200 German divisions.

"The Germans lost approximately 1 million men on the Western front.

"They lost 6 million on the Eastern front.

"There is reason why Churchill said the Red Army tore the guts out of the German war machine.

"However, that’s not what Americans learn.

"But the reality is that the Soviets defeated the Nazis with aid from the Americans and the British and the Canadians and others. It was a vast coalition.

"But the ones who did most of the fighting and most of the dying were the Soviets.

"The Americans lost about little more than 300,000 in combat and 400,000 total in World War II.

"The Soviets lost 27 million. 27 million."


The soviets had a non-aggression pact with germany

while germany invaded other countries russia was content to just pick up and keep territories around them. Like parts of Finland. The ONLY reason russia went to war with Germany is because Germany was foolish enough to invade russia.

After the war, while the evil Americans were spending money helping nations to rebuild and maintain their autonomy the russians KEPT all of the territory they seized and started killing people.

remember the berlin wall?



The russians were no better than the germans.
 
the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc
D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."
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the US liberated France/Holland/Belgium/etc etc
D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"PETER KUZNICK The Americans don’t know that the Canadians were there.

"The Americans don’t even know that the British were there.

"And if you look at the films like Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, the Canadians and the British still weren’t there.

"This was the United States fighting singlehandedly to defeat Germany in the war.

"...the reality is that this was very much a joint operation; that the British and the Canadians in some ways played a greater role at Normandy than the Americans did, in terms of the number of troops, in terms of the landing craft, in terms of the number of beaches hit.

"So it’s part of the American mythology.

"It’s a crucial element of American mythology. And I’m sorry you’re trampling on it by bringing the British and the Canadians into this."



Blaming America for the shit that Hollywood turns out, is not fair. Hollywood left America a long time ago.
Blaming America for the shit that Hollywood turns out, is not fair. Hollywood left America a long time ago.
Hollywood depends on the Pentagon to fabricate believable war fiction and both institutions push many of the same suspect patriotic narratives:

D Day: Mythology of America as Liberator Feeds Trump’s Militarism

"But the American narrative and the Russian narratives are totally different in World War II.

"For the Americans, the war begins at Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941.

"And then there’s some battling in North Africa and the underbelly, and Italy. But the real war for the Americans begins June 6, 1944, with the invasion of Normandy with D-Day.

"Then the Americans singlehandedly defeat the Germans and marched straight into Berlin. And the Americans win the war in Europe.

"That’s a very, very unfortunate and dangerous myth that has been perpetrated.

"And if you listen to Trump’s words, again, in England, again he’s reinforcing that myth about the Americans leading the way to the liberation of Europe.

"That’s not the reality.

"The reality was the success at Normandy is largely due to the fact that the Germans were already weakened badly by that point, because they had been taking a pummeling, and they were in retreat across Europe ahead of the Russian Army, ahead of the vast Red Army, which was then liberating the concentration camps."
 

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