Curious about your thoughts on Petraeus considered as Secretary of State?

[Eaglewings]

This is not to mention that the person he shared this information with was also in the military, and had security clearance herself, just not the type of clearance to see that information.

Agreed.

Additionally, he was honest enough to own up to his mistake and take his punishment, unlike someone else who shared classified information and denied doing anything wrong. I think General Petraeus will be a good SoS.

"Petraeus resigned as CIA direct in November 2012, was convicted of a misdemeanor in 2015, and is currently on probation for sharing classified information with his biographer and mistress, former Army intelligence officer Paula Broadwell."

Y'all are kidding right?

Are you saying he did not own up to it?

Silly far left drone!

No im not saying that. I'm saying Patraeus showed intent by choosing to disclose classified info to somebody who did not have the clearance. Clinton showed carelessness but no intent

There was plenty of intent, especially from someone that has been in politics for 30+ years!

The intent was that she was going to do whatever she wanted and the rules be damned.

But only a far left drone would believe their was no intent!

I bet you really believe that...lol.... I am sure he was informed 1000's of times about classified information..

He let his penis do the thinking for him , she could have been a spy years in the making..

You seem to be making excuses for him ....

 

[Lewdog]

So you want a guy that can't get Top Secret Clearance, that has shown he doesn't have the ability to avoid being tempted into passing along Highly Classified material, as the third highest post in the country?

And who did you vote for President again???????

No one. No one was qualified to be President.

 

[Lewdog]

Yes i agree with you on that and I'm not claiming that Hillary is innocent of all accusations. My simple point, I'll say again, is that those who thought Hillary was unfit to serve because of her mishandling of classified information should hold Patraeus tot the same standards or else they are being partisan hypocrites. Patraeus legally speaking performed more severe offenses than Hillary as laid out in this thread by both historical references and testimony by the investigating body

If Trump does put him up for the job, I can't wait to see who the partisans are that comes out against Trump for hiring Petreaus. Remember too that Hillary lied to the US Congress under oath several times, and even destroyed evidence after it was subpoenaed by them.

If people were truly objective then the Hillary supporters that excused her behavior should also excuse Petraeus, and the Trump supporters that wanted Hillary disqualified from running should not support Petraeus. If he is nominated there will be hypocrisy on both sides.

This is true, but what do you want to bet it will be the exact opposite?

The opposite of what? We've already seen Trump supporters supporting Petraeus JUST because they feel Hillary got off the hook.

So one minute they had ethics and morals saying Hillary should be locked up, and the next they want a guy that actually plead guilty to a crime as the third highest position in government.

The opposite of what? The opposite of leftists not making a big deal about Petreaus because of his past. I want to see these hypocrites make a big deal out of it.

So this is one of those... we''ll give up on Hillary being a criminal as soon as you guys forgive Petraeus? yeah... that's not going to work. How about, both are guilty, so pick a different person for Sec. of State?

 

[Timmy]

The general got a sweetheart deal .

The judge was so offended that he doubled the lame fine asked for by the prosecution from $25 to $50k . He gets $200k a year for his army pension alone . Which he still keeps along with his rank .

White lives matter justice system .

And another far left drone blazes in on their religious narratives not based on reality!

Everything I said was true .

Sorry if facts offend you.

 

[Timmy]

....Hillary had 107 emails out of 50,000 emails on her server, that were classified and only 7 those were top secret...she gave them or handed them over to no one, she did not remove them from their proper place, her staff had top secret clearance who participated in them...and ZERO were stolen or hacked.

you've been sold a bill of goods by your beloved FAUX media hacks

Not quite correct since she destroyed 30,000 emails. The numbers you quoted are the ones investigators know about.

You have no proof she wasn't hacked. It was an unsecure server and, as SoS, she would obviously be a target. Only the most inept intelligence agency wouldn't take a shot at hacking into her account.

She didn't destroy sec state emails . She deleted her personal emails .

It's all irrelevant. The General was found guilty.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If Trump does put him up for the job, I can't wait to see who the partisans are that comes out against Trump for hiring Petreaus. Remember too that Hillary lied to the US Congress under oath several times, and even destroyed evidence after it was subpoenaed by them.

If people were truly objective then the Hillary supporters that excused her behavior should also excuse Petraeus, and the Trump supporters that wanted Hillary disqualified from running should not support Petraeus. If he is nominated there will be hypocrisy on both sides.

This is true, but what do you want to bet it will be the exact opposite?

The opposite of what? We've already seen Trump supporters supporting Petraeus JUST because they feel Hillary got off the hook.

So one minute they had ethics and morals saying Hillary should be locked up, and the next they want a guy that actually plead guilty to a crime as the third highest position in government.

The opposite of what? The opposite of leftists not making a big deal about Petreaus because of his past. I want to see these hypocrites make a big deal out of it.

So this is one of those... we''ll give up on Hillary being a criminal as soon as you guys forgive Petraeus? yeah... that's not going to work. How about, both are guilty, so pick a different person for Sec. of State?

Okay, but the people that will complain about him will be the same people that voted for Hillary. That's what I want to rub in.

 

[Divine Wind]

So you want a guy that can't get Top Secret Clearance, that has shown he doesn't have the ability to avoid being tempted into passing along Highly Classified material, as the third highest post in the country?

Put another way, you will never trust someone convicted of a crime, even a misdemeanor. OTOH, if someone isn't convicted, even though you are certain they are lying, you're ready to hand them the keys to government be they Hillary or OJ. Is this a correct assessment of your LW view?

 

[Lewdog]

If people were truly objective then the Hillary supporters that excused her behavior should also excuse Petraeus, and the Trump supporters that wanted Hillary disqualified from running should not support Petraeus. If he is nominated there will be hypocrisy on both sides.

This is true, but what do you want to bet it will be the exact opposite?

The opposite of what? We've already seen Trump supporters supporting Petraeus JUST because they feel Hillary got off the hook.

So one minute they had ethics and morals saying Hillary should be locked up, and the next they want a guy that actually plead guilty to a crime as the third highest position in government.

The opposite of what? The opposite of leftists not making a big deal about Petreaus because of his past. I want to see these hypocrites make a big deal out of it.

So this is one of those... we''ll give up on Hillary being a criminal as soon as you guys forgive Petraeus? yeah... that's not going to work. How about, both are guilty, so pick a different person for Sec. of State?

Okay, but the people that will complain about him will be the same people that voted for Hillary. That's what I want to rub in.

Wrong. there are four groups in play.

1. Those that think Hillary is guilty and Petraeus should be put in as Sec. of State
2. Those that think Hillary is innocent and that Petraeus doesn't deserve to be Sec. of State
3. Those that think Hillary should be left alone because the FBI and DoJ decided there wasn't enough evidence and that Petraeus should be forgiven and given a chance as Sec. of State
4. That Hillary deserves to be in jail, and that Petraeus has no place as Sec. of State after what he did

I'm in Category #4

 

[Divine Wind]

She didn't destroy sec state emails . She deleted her personal emails .....

It's been proven some of those "personal" emails were not just personal.....or maybe you think the Chicago Tribune is part of vast, right-wing conspiracy to demean Hillary.

FBI recovered 30 new Clinton emails related to Benghazi, State Department says

 

[Lewdog]

So you want a guy that can't get Top Secret Clearance, that has shown he doesn't have the ability to avoid being tempted into passing along Highly Classified material, as the third highest post in the country?

Put another way, you will never trust someone convicted of a crime, even a misdemeanor. OTOH, if someone isn't convicted, even though you are certain they are lying, you're ready to hand them the keys to government be they Hillary or OJ. Is this a correct assessment of your LW view?

No. He lied to the FBI while under investigation. He was convicted of mishandling Highly Classified information and giving it to a woman he was having an affair with. He should not ever be given another position in government where he can handle highly classified information. Hillary should be in jail.

That's not a LW view, because I'm not LW. It's a common sense view. Nice try at building a strawman.

In fact, if Trump hadn't been elected as President, with his credit score, HE couldn't get a Top Secret clearance.

 

[Divine Wind]

...4. That Hillary deserves to be in jail, and that Petraeus has no place as Sec. of State after what he did

I'm in Category #4

As shown previously, you are being duplicitous claiming #4.

 

[Lewdog]

...4. That Hillary deserves to be in jail, and that Petraeus has no place as Sec. of State after what he did

I'm in Category #4

As shown previously, you are being duplicitous claiming #4.

WTF are you talking about? Hillary in my opinion broke the law. I never voted for her. I've said over and over again I think she should be in jail. Petraeus broke the law and plead guilty to it. He shouldn't be given a high ranking position. I can't help it you don't understand national security.

 

[Timmy]

She didn't destroy sec state emails . She deleted her personal emails .....

It's been proven some of those "personal" emails were not just personal.....or maybe you think the Chicago Tribune is part of vast, right-wing conspiracy to demean Hillary.

FBI recovered 30 new Clinton emails related to Benghazi, State Department says

Emails that can be found on the state department email. You know they go two ways right ?

Was Hillary even found in contempt for not turning shit over ? Nope .

 

[Divine Wind]

No. ....

No, you do trust those convicted of misdemeanors and who have served their sentence or no you don't trust them?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is true, but what do you want to bet it will be the exact opposite?

The opposite of what? We've already seen Trump supporters supporting Petraeus JUST because they feel Hillary got off the hook.

So one minute they had ethics and morals saying Hillary should be locked up, and the next they want a guy that actually plead guilty to a crime as the third highest position in government.

The opposite of what? The opposite of leftists not making a big deal about Petreaus because of his past. I want to see these hypocrites make a big deal out of it.

So this is one of those... we''ll give up on Hillary being a criminal as soon as you guys forgive Petraeus? yeah... that's not going to work. How about, both are guilty, so pick a different person for Sec. of State?

Okay, but the people that will complain about him will be the same people that voted for Hillary. That's what I want to rub in.

Wrong. there are four groups in play.

1. Those that think Hillary is guilty and Petraeus should be put in as Sec. of State
2. Those that think Hillary is innocent and that Petraeus doesn't deserve to be Sec. of State
3. Those that think Hillary should be left alone because the FBI and DoJ decided there wasn't enough evidence and that Petraeus should be forgiven and given a chance as Sec. of State
4. That Hillary deserves to be in jail, and that Petraeus has no place as Sec. of State after what he did

I'm in Category #4

I really wasn't talking about you, but about the liberals especially here on USMB. Most liberals will fall into your category 2.

 

[Lewdog]

No. ....

No, you do trust those convicted of misdemeanors and who have served their sentence or no you don't trust them?

It's NOT just a misdemeanor. It is a misdemeanor for mishandling Highly Classified information. We aren't talking about trespassing. You don't understand Security Clearances?

 

[Divine Wind]

WTF are you talking about? Hillary in my opinion broke the law. I never voted for her. I've said over and over again I think she should be in jail. Petraeus broke the law and plead guilty to it. He shouldn't be given a high ranking position. I can't help it you don't understand national security.

So, am I correct in assuming that you believe a person who broke the law and served their time can never, ever be trusted again? Do you think we should just brand "CRIMINAL" on their foreheads?

 

[Divine Wind]

It's NOT just a misdemeanor. It is a misdemeanor for mishandling Highly Classified information. We aren't talking about trespassing. You don't understand Security Clearances?

It wasn't just a misdemeanor? What else are you claiming Petraeus was convicted of doing?

 

[Lewdog]

WTF are you talking about? Hillary in my opinion broke the law. I never voted for her. I've said over and over again I think she should be in jail. Petraeus broke the law and plead guilty to it. He shouldn't be given a high ranking position. I can't help it you don't understand national security.

So, am I correct in assuming that you believe a person who broke the law and served their time can never, ever be trusted again? Do you think we should just brand "CRIMINAL" on their foreheads?

No, that's a strawman argument.

I don't decide the Security Clearance rules...but someone with a misdemeanor can not get Top Secret clearance... especially one that has a misdemeanor for mishandling Highly Confidential information.

You're fucking being retarded.

 

[Lewdog]

It's NOT just a misdemeanor. It is a misdemeanor for mishandling Highly Classified information. We aren't talking about trespassing. You don't understand Security Clearances?

It wasn't just a misdemeanor? What else are you claiming Petraeus was convicted of doing?

Hey numbnuts. If you have a DUI are you going to get a job driving a school bus?