Cuomo:"Those (Trump) cases in New York were a joke. The cases they brought against him reeked of politics."

[DonGlock26]

Cohen's crime that was being hidden was described both in the Statement of From the very begining, articulated by prosecutors, during witness testimony before the Jury, and in the Judges orders for consideration as part of Jury instructions.

WW

Can you provide a source that describes the "crime".

 

[multivita-man]

He wasn't charged with any campaign finance violations.

I don't know why you're not processing this: it was never necessary for the campaign finance violations to be adjudicated or even charged.

Donald Trump falsified business records. The question is, why?

The answer: to conceal information that would be potentially damaging to his campaign.

That's what the prosecution argued, and that's what the jury accepted as likely fact.

Hush money isn't illegal.

Never said it was, though someone generally has to report it somewhere.

Hush money isn't a campaign contribution.

Oh, but it can be under certain circumstances. It was in this case.

He didn't spend campaign funds on hush money.

Again, doesn't matter.

There was no tax violation in the bookkeeping misdemeanors.

It is if he claims it's a business expense for legal fees. They weren't legal fees. Moreover, they weren't accidentally misclassified.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes.

Cohen was charged with and convicted of felony campaign violations.

Trump was laundering the money to pay Cohen back through his business entity. Falsification (Trump Organization) to hide another crime (Cohen's).

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See here is the funny thing. Trump COULD have paid off Daniels in a perfectly legal way. Cohen makes the deal, Trump pays money out of personal resources, Cohen closes the deal and delivers the NDA. Trump reports the campain contributrion to the FEC as required. (Research it, candidates can make unlimited donations to their own campaign, but they are still requird to report it.)

No legal jeopardy.

But how did the jury know the Daniels payment was campaign related? Testimony in court showed that he was trying to delay the payment until after the election to be able to stiff Daniels. If it had NOT been campaign related, he would have been trying to delay payment based election. So saving his reputation was not a factor (as he was fine with the story coming out after the election), Melania wasn't a factor as the original story was published years before so she already knew and again, he was fine with the story breaking after the election.

WW

Cohen was charged with and convicted of felony campaign violations.

Yeah, he sounds like a bad dude.
How much did he owe the IRS?

Trump was laundering the money to pay Cohen back through his business entity. Falsification (Trump Organization) to hide another crime (Cohen's).

Trump wasn't charged with hiding Cohen's crime.

Trump COULD have paid off Daniels in a perfectly legal way. Cohen makes the deal, Trump pays money out of personal resources, Cohen closes the deal and delivers the NDA. Trump reports the campain contributrion to the FEC as required.

The NDA wasn't a campaign contribution or a campaign expenditure.

(Research it, candidates can make unlimited donations to their own campaign, but they are still required to report it.)

When was the reporting deadline?

 

[multivita-man]

It's your opinion what the alleged and unproven and even unnamed underlying crime was.

Even that wasn't necessary.

Apparently not. Too bad for you the lawfare failed and Trump got his rightful 2nd term

The weird thing is, I fully expected Trump to skate on these charges. Not because he didn't engage in fraud. I just never expected a jury to actually convict him for what was a largely technical crime, a crime that seemed to violate the letter of the law more so than the spirit of the law.

A jury thought otherwise. As I usually do, I accept their verdict because, as I've said, I generally assume that a jury that is present for the entire case probably knows more about the facts of the case and the applicable laws than people like me who just have a passing interest.

 

[WorldWatcher]

There was no evidence.

There was lots of evidence. Emails, Texts, Documents, Business Records, witness testimony.

Normal criminal trial things.

WW

 

[Blaster]

There was lots of evidence. Emails, Texts, Documents, Business Records, witness testimony.

Normal criminal trial things.

WW

Just political.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Cohen was charged with and convicted of felony campaign violations.

Yeah, he sounds like a bad dude.
How much did he owe the IRS?

Don't know.

But he's a convicted felon and went to prison.

Trump was laundering the money to pay Cohen back through his business entity. Falsification (Trump Organization) to hide another crime (Cohen's).

Trump wasn't charged with hiding Cohen's crime.

Correct. Trump was charged with Felonous Falification of Business records to hide Cohen's crime.

Trump can't be charged with a crime committed by someone else, only his own crime - which in this case was falifying business records to hide Cohen's crime.

Trump COULD have paid off Daniels in a perfectly legal way. Cohen makes the deal, Trump pays money out of personal resources, Cohen closes the deal and delivers the NDA. Trump reports the campain contributrion to the FEC as required.

The NDA wasn't a campaign contribution or a campaign expenditure.

(Research it, candidates can make unlimited donations to their own campaign, but they are still required to report it.)

When was the reporting deadline?

Yes, expenditures to support the campaign are campaign contriubutions.

When was the reporting deadline? That also the funny part. The reporting dead line PRIOR to the election had already passed, the payment if properly reported would have not gone public until AFTER the election.

So Trump screwed himself.


WW

 

[Eman623]

Even that wasn't necessary.



The weird thing is, I fully expected Trump to skate on these charges. Not because he didn't engage in fraud. I just never expected a jury to actually convict him for what was a largely technical crime, a crime that seemed to violate the letter of the law more so than the spirit of the law.

A jury thought otherwise. As I usually do, I accept their verdict because, as I've said, I generally assume that a jury that is present for the entire case probably knows more about the facts of the case and the applicable laws than people like me who just have a passing interest.

So you think OJ was innocent? Whatevs

 

[westwall]

Trump would be in prison if he didn’t win the election.
As President, he gets to pick his prosecutor who surprisingly dropped the charges.

A travesty of Justice

Yes, the politically motivated, and corrupt, prosecutions were indeed travesty's of justice.

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, the politically motivated, and corrupt, prosecutions were indeed travesty's of justice.

EVERY charge was a result of Poor decisions by Trump

Name one that wasn’t

 

[WorldWatcher]

Can you provide a source that describes the "crime".

Yes

https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

People v. Trump - Statement of Facts

A statement of facts detailing the allegations in former President Donald Trump's indictment in New York on 34 counts of falsifying business records in connection with an alleged hush-money scheme to bury damaging stories during his 2016 campaign. A grand jury returned the indictment on March...

www.documentcloud.org

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFs/press/PDFs/People%20v.%20DJT%20Clayton%20Decision.pdf

And that's the only sealioning that will happen.

Some of us paid attention at the time.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Just political.

You spelled criminal wrong.

WW

 

[Blaster]

You spelled criminal wrong.

WW

Nonsense

 

[DonGlock26]

Yes

https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

People v. Trump - Statement of Facts

A statement of facts detailing the allegations in former President Donald Trump's indictment in New York on 34 counts of falsifying business records in connection with an alleged hush-money scheme to bury damaging stories during his 2016 campaign. A grand jury returned the indictment on March...

www.documentcloud.org

https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFs/press/PDFs/People%20v.%20DJT%20Clayton%20Decision.pdf

And that's the only sealioning that will happen.

Some of us paid attention at the time.

WW

Thanks, so what is the crime?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Doesn't matter. NY state law makes it a crime to promote or oppose a candidate using unlawful means (falsifying business records in this case).

Right. That's why they were able to take misdemeanors, beyond the statute of limitations, and add them to a non-crime to drum up fake felonies.

 

[multivita-man]

So you think OJ was innocent? Whatevs

What?! Okay, I accept your surrender now.

 

[Billiejeens]

are you ******* serious this is your thread
read and listen to what you posted

You do understand that you come across as an angry simpleton, yes?

 

[multivita-man]

Right. That's why they were able to take misdemeanors, beyond the statute of limitations, and add them to a non-crime to drum up fake felonies.

But it wasn't a misdemeanor. Felonies have lengthier statutes of limitations periods.

 

[westwall]

EVERY charge was a result of Poor decisions by Trump

Name one that wasn’t

Not one charge was legit. Not one.

 

[Moonglow]

This is why Trump is appealing his convictions at the state and federal level. It was obviously a
politically Democrat kangaroo court.