Cuomo:"Those (Trump) cases in New York were a joke. The cases they brought against him reeked of politics."

[multivita-man]

Donald Trump falsified business records. The question is, why?

When were the records falsified?

When he claimed in his business filings that they were legal fees, which they were not.

The answer: to conceal information that would be potentially damaging to his campaign.

Concealing damaging information isn't a crime.

It is if you submit false information or willfully fail to submit information that is required by law.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't know why you're not processing this: it was never necessary for the campaign finance violations to be adjudicated or even charged.

Donald Trump falsified business records. The question is, why?

The answer: to conceal information that would be potentially damaging to his campaign.

That's what the prosecution argued, and that's what the jury accepted as likely fact.



Never said it was, though someone generally has to report it somewhere.



Oh, but it can be under certain circumstances. It was in this case.



Again, doesn't matter.



It is if he claims it's a business expense for legal fees. They weren't legal fees. Moreover, they weren't accidentally misclassified.

Never said it was, though someone generally has to report it somewhere.

Hopefully Stormy reported it on her tax return.

Oh, but it can be under certain circumstances. It was in this case.

It wasn't. Now if a donor paid for it, like John Edwards, you'd have a better claim.

Again, doesn't matter.

Of course it matters. I can buy a new suit, before a campaign event, doesn't mean
I need to report the expenditure if I used my own money.

It is if he claims it's a business expense for legal fees. They weren't legal fees.

Legal fees are tax deductible; NDAs are tax deductible. Neither is a tax issue.

 

[multivita-man]

They don't

Well, take it up with the New York appellate court system then.

 

[Billiejeens]

When he claimed in his business filings that they were legal fees, which they were not.



It is if you submit false information or willfully fail to submit information that is required by law.

Which didn't happen.

 

[westwall]

Which is the only reason charges were dropped
Not because charges were not legit or that he was innocent

Trump was facing jail time if he wasn’t elected

A conviction where the underlying crime REQUIRED for the conviction, could not be named, is an abomination to the COTUS, and the PEOPLE, recognized that.

You are screwed. Boy....

 

[multivita-man]

Never said it was, though someone generally has to report it somewhere.

Hopefully Stormy reported it on her tax return.

Oh, but it can be under certain circumstances. It was in this case.

It wasn't. Now if a donor paid for it, like John Edwards, you'd have a better claim.

Again, doesn't matter.

Of course it matters. I can buy a new suit, before a campaign event, doesn't mean
I need to report the expenditure if I used my own money.

It is if he claims it's a business expense for legal fees. They weren't legal fees.

Legal fees are tax deductible; NDAs are tax deductible. Neither is a tax issue.

Look, I get that you're still having a hard time accepting that a jury found him guilty of breaking the law, but that's what they did.

Deal with it.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

the point is he was found guilty by a jury of his peers.

and soon that may also be true of everyone.

 

[multivita-man]

Which didn't happen.

Jurors saw it differently.

Deal.

 

[DonGlock26]

Whose crime?

WW

The supposed crime that turned Trump's business dealings into a "felony".

 

[WorldWatcher]

His crime was that his accountant recorded a payment to his attorney as a legal expense


Get it now?

Wait.

The crime was the conspiracy between Trump, Cohen, and Pecker to cause the accountant to enter the fraudulant expense.

Cohen was convicted for his part (campaign finance), Pecker bailed and testified for the prosecution.

WW

 

[Billiejeens]

The crime was the conspiracy between Trump, Cohen, and Pecker to cause the accountant to enter the fraudulant expense.

Cohen was convicted for his part (campaign finance), Pecker bailed and testified for the prosecution.

WW

Nope

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't know.

But he's a convicted felon and went to prison.



Correct. Trump was charged with Felonous Falification of Business records to hide Cohen's crime.

Trump can't be charged with a crime committed by someone else, only his own crime - which in this case was falifying business records to hide Cohen's crime.



Yes, expenditures to support the campaign are campaign contriubutions.

When was the reporting deadline? That also the funny part. The reporting dead line PRIOR to the election had already passed, the payment if properly reported would have not gone public until AFTER the election.

So Trump screwed himself.


WW

Correct. Trump was charged with Felonous Falification of Business records to hide Cohen's crime.

He was trying to hide Cohen's campaign contribution?

Yes, expenditures to support the campaign are campaign contriubutions.

Did the New York Times and CNN report all the money they spent on stories
that supported Trump's opponents or that attacked Trump?

When was the reporting deadline? That also the funny part. The reporting dead line PRIOR to the election had already passed, the payment if properly reported would have not gone public until AFTER the election.

Not reporting didn't help the campaign, so it didn't support the campaign.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The supposed crime that turned Trump's business dealings into a "felony".

You've asked multiple times...

..... ..... You will get the same answer.

The crime that Trump was attempting to hide resulting in his crime being Felony Falsification of business records was Cohen's crime of Federal Campaign Finance laws.

WW

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

But it wasn't a misdemeanor. Felonies have lengthier statutes of limitations periods.

But it wasn't a misdemeanor.

It was. And in New York, the statute of limitations is 1 year.

 

[rightwinger]

A conviction where the underlying crime REQUIRED for the conviction, could not be named, is an abomination to the COTUS, and the PEOPLE, recognized that.

You are screwed. Boy....

Charges were brought by a Grand Jury
Of course Trump lawyers contested and they were affirmed

A jury of his peers unanimously convicted him
It still stands

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"...using unlawful means," I said.

Falsifying business records is unlawful.

I know. A misdemeanor. A misdemeanor to do something perfectly legal.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Correct. Trump was charged with Felonous Falification of Business records to hide Cohen's crime.

He was trying to hide Cohen's campaign contribution?

Cohen's criminal campaign finance violation - Yes.

Yes, expenditures to support the campaign are campaign contriubutions.

Did the New York Times and CNN report all the money they spent on stories
that supported Trump's opponents or that attacked Trump?

Deflection attempt noted.

When was the reporting deadline? That also the funny part. The reporting dead line PRIOR to the election had already passed, the payment if properly reported would have not gone public until AFTER the election.

Not reporting didn't help the campaign, so it didn't support the campaign.

Whoosh.

WW

 

[multivita-man]

But it wasn't a misdemeanor.

It was. And in New York, the statute of limitations is 1 year.

You don't understand how the law works. It's too complex for you.

 

[WorldWatcher]

But it wasn't a misdemeanor.

It was. And in New York, the statute of limitations is 1 year.

When done assist in or aid in hiding the crime of another, not it's a felony. With much longer SOL.

WW

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Based on evidence in court, to answer the question "why?"

It was to hide Cohen's crime.

WW

Cohen didn't make a campaign contribution.