Cuomo:"Those (Trump) cases in New York were a joke. The cases they brought against him reeked of politics."

[WorldWatcher]

Was he convicted in court of a felony business record falsification in order
to evade campaign finance laws?

Yes.

Cohen was charged with and convicted of felony campaign violations.

Trump was laundering the money to pay Cohen back through his business entity. Falsification (Trump Organization) to hide another crime (Cohen's).

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See here is the funny thing. Trump COULD have paid off Daniels in a perfectly legal way. Cohen makes the deal, Trump pays money out of personal resources, Cohen closes the deal and delivers the NDA. Trump reports the campain contributrion to the FEC as required. (Research it, candidates can make unlimited donations to their own campaign, but they are still requird to report it.)

No legal jeopardy.

But how did the jury know the Daniels payment was campaign related? Testimony in court showed that he was trying to delay the payment until after the election to be able to stiff Daniels. If it had NOT been campaign related, he would have been trying to delay payment based election. So saving his reputation was not a factor (as he was fine with the story coming out after the election), Melania wasn't a factor as the original story was published years before so she already knew and again, he was fine with the story breaking after the election.

WW

 

[multivita-man]

The FEC didn't consider the NDA a campaign contribution, so no crime.

Doesn't matter. NY state law makes it a crime to promote or oppose a candidate using unlawful means (falsifying business records in this case).

 

[DonGlock26]

it could be reasonably deduced

I thought the criminal standard was "beyond a reasonable doubt"? That sounds like guessing at best.

 

[Foxfyre]

This is why Trump is appealing his convictions at the state and federal level. It was obviously a
politically Democrat kangaroo court.

Well chalk up some intellectual honesty for Chris Cuomo. I honestly didn't think he had it in him.

 

[multivita-man]

I thought the criminal standard was "beyond a reasonable doubt"? That sounds like guessing at best.

You're getting confused. The other crime doesn't need to be proved or adjudicated; it's an element of the crime of felony falsification of records.

 

[multivita-man]

Bullshit

Juror verdicts X 34 say otherwise.

 

[Foxfyre]

He's pulling out all the stops in order to regain power.

Maybe. But I'll give props to anybody who is honest or does the right thing regardless of what their motive for that might be.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

Cuomo is deep state, treasonous scum.

 

[DonGlock26]

You're getting confused. The other crime doesn't need to be proved or adjudicated; it's an element of the crime of felony falsification of records.

Since it's an element of the crime, doesn't it have to be described?

 

[Blaster]

Juror verdicts X 34 say otherwise.

They were wrong.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Since it's an element of the crime, doesn't it have to be described?

Cohen's crime that was being hidden was described both in the Statement of From the very begining, articulated by prosecutors, during witness testimony before the Jury, and in the Judges orders for consideration as part of Jury instructions.

WW

 

[multivita-man]

Since it's an element of the crime, doesn't it have to be described?

The rational for the case was mentioned. The jurors understood it even if everyone else outside the courtroom didn't.

 

[multivita-man]

They were wrong.

They heard the evidence and the definitions of the crime. You did not. I'd say they're probably right and you're probably wrong.

 

[whitehall]

Where has he been? Is he shilling for his brother who was so unpopular that he was beaten in the NYC primary by a freaking Commie?

 

[Blaster]

They heard the evidence and the definitions of the crime. You did not. I'd say they're probably right and you're probably wrong.

I'm right and they were wrong.

 

[multivita-man]

I'm right and they were wrong.

When someone insists that they're right in the face of so much evidence to the contrary...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No. He was convicted of falsifying business records, which in and of itself is a misdemeanor. It became a felony when it could be reasonably deduced that he was falsifying records in order to avoid reporting his hush money payments as a campaign expenditure, which was required under law.

Personally, I think it's an example of someone being convicted of a legal catch-all, like a drug dealer being convicted of not paying taxes on what he gets on the street or Al Capone getting convicted for not paying taxes on his boozie bootlegging.

There's a reason laws like that exist, however. If we allowed business executives to falsify records, we'd have some pretty serious transparency problems. If you want to argue that this was a pretty piss poor usage of the law, I can at least entertain that idea, though it doesn't change the legal validity of his convictions.

He was convicted of falsifying business records, which in and of itself is a misdemeanor.

Right, except they were beyond the statute of limitations.

It became a felony when it could be reasonably deduced that he was falsifying records in order to avoid reporting his hush money payments as a campaign expenditure

He wasn't charged with any campaign finance violations.

Hush money isn't illegal. Hush money isn't a campaign contribution.
He didn't spend campaign funds on hush money.

There was no tax violation in the bookkeeping misdemeanors.

 

[DonGlock26]

The rational for the case was mentioned. The jurors understood it even if everyone else outside the courtroom didn't.

I understand that if you cannot describe an element of a crime, you aren't going to do very well in an appeal.

 

[Blaster]

When someone insists that they're right in the face of so much evidence to the contrary...

There was no evidence.

 

[Eman623]

Given that he's been convicted in court., it's not my opinion; it's legal fact.

It's your opinion what the alleged and unproven and even unnamed underlying crime was.

Not required.

Apparently not. Too bad for you the lawfare failed and Trump got his rightful 2nd term