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You want to be beckoned "eyns, tsvey, dray"? Be careful with your wishes. You know, the author of " Reizele" was murdered by Germans in Warsaw in 1942.
Ok. You still don't want to read books ...
And what do you like to say with this stupid sentence now?Jews have Israel
And then they were defeated by Avars (actually, by Slavs, leaded by Avars).No idea what you speak about. You have a very strange way to orientate yourselve in history. This is the movement of the Langobards:
They came from the North of Germany moved to the North of Italy (Lombardy) in a wide bow. This has nothing to do with the situation that some neighbors of the Germanic tribe "Bavarians" (Today this is the area Bavaria, Bohemia, Austria and North of Italy) were Slaws.
There were Turkish-speaking nobles and Slavic-speaking common people.By the way: No one knows, who were the Awars - nor what kind of language they spoke. But in the area, where they were centered, lived always Turkish people.
Baltic languages and Sanskrit are most similar to the Slavic languages.Question: Which today known language would you say is most similar to the Slawic ?
Sure. "Slovo" means "a word", "slava" means "glory" in Slavic languages, "šlãvė" means "glory, honor" in Lithuanian, "κλέος" - "glory" in Greek, "c̨rávas" - "glory", "praise" in Sanskrit, "clú" - "glory", "reputation" in Old Irish.By the way: The German word, which is most similiar with the word "Slavs" (=Slawen) is "slafen"="schlafen" (=to sleep). Another interpretation could be "Sklaven"(=slaves), that's why we prefer to write meanwhile "Slaws", because it was always spoken an"w" and never an "f" or "v" as in slave. This all makes no sense. It seems the word comes from the Slawic expression "Slov-ene". Any idea what "Slov" means?
May be, it was not a specific word in the past. But now "speechless/stupid stranger" is the specific and official term for Germans only.And the word you use for Germans is by the way not a specific word - it just simple means something like "stupid stranger" - similar background of this idea as the Greek onomatopoetic word "barbar".
And then they were defeated by Avars (actually, by Slavs, leaded by Avars).No idea what you speak about. You have a very strange way to orientate yourselve in history. This is the movement of the Langobards:
They came from the North of Germany moved to the North of Italy (Lombardy) in a wide bow. This has nothing to do with the situation that some neighbors of the Germanic tribe "Bavarians" (Today this is the area Bavaria, Bohemia, Austria and North of Italy) were Slaws.
Pannonian Avars - Wikipedia
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There were Turkish-speaking nobles and Slavic-speaking common people.By the way: No one knows, who were the Awars - nor what kind of language they spoke. But in the area, where they were centered, lived always Turkish people.
Baltic languages and Sanskrit are most similar to the Slavic languages.Question: Which today known language would you say is most similar to the Slawic ?
Sure. "Slovo" means "a word", "slava" means "glory" in Slavic languages, "šlãvė" means "glory, honor" in Lithuanian, "κλέος" - "glory" in Greek, "c̨rávas" - "glory", "praise" in Sanskrit, "clú" - "glory", "reputation" in Old Irish.By the way: The German word, which is most similiar with the word "Slavs" (=Slawen) is "slafen"="schlafen" (=to sleep). Another interpretation could be "Sklaven"(=slaves), that's why we prefer to write meanwhile "Slaws", because it was always spoken an"w" and never an "f" or "v" as in slave. This all makes no sense. It seems the word comes from the Slawic expression "Slov-ene". Any idea what "Slov" means?
May be, it is related with Proto-Indo-European *gal(O) s-, *glōs-, *golH-so ("voice, cry") and *kalzōna in Proto-Germanic, "kallen" in some modern Germanic dialects, "to call" in modern English.
"The People" who speaks "The language", or "Those, who have a reputation" - looks like very possible for me.
May be, it was not a specific word in the past. But now "speechless/stupid stranger" is the specific term for Germans only.And the word you use for Germans is by the way not a specific word - it just simple means something like "stupid stranger" - similar background of this idea as the Greek onomatopoetic word "barbar".
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it was the first attempt to globalize our world , its 2 main parts . The Crusades attacked not only Muslims . It was ended in Palestine, cos European saw how poor MENA was (in the main good - grain) , a smart move to dumped useless desertsSome blame the Muslims
Some blame the Christians
it was both their faults
Muslims restricted Christian pilgrims
Christians has very power hungry popes that wanted to expand their power
Ultimately the Christian armies had huge success for awhile but they could never sustain it .
The first and third were legendary but later ones were a total disaster .
The Muslims were also fighting themselves and never united
Just marching there costs the deaths of tens of thousands of Christians from thirst and attacks
your Muscovy was created by Mongols , so the story has had nothing to do with you , stop spaming juchiAnd what about the Northern Crusades against the Russians, Poles and Balts?
Northern Crusades - Wikipedia
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your Muscovy was created by Mongols , so the story has had nothing to do with you , stop spaming juchiAnd what about the Northern Crusades against the Russians, Poles and Balts?
Northern Crusades - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Basically yes and no. The rise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thanks to the Mongols who gave the called 'yarlyk' (the right on power) and devastated the rival duchies.And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The
Basically yes and no. The rise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thanks to the Mongols who gave the called 'yarlyk' (the right on power) and devastated the rival duchies.And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The
your Muscovy was created by Mongols , so the story has had nothing to do with you , stop spaming juchiAnd what about the Northern Crusades against the Russians, Poles and Balts?
Northern Crusades - Wikipedia
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He speaks about the "Deutsche Orden" (=German Order), who were monks and knights. The German order made Poland to a Catholic nation. It is by the way wrong to think so called 'teutonic knights' (a wrong translation) fought against Polish barbars or something like this. Often also the kings of Poland had a very big influence on the "Deutsche Orden". The German Order died meanwhile nearly out. Other "crusaders" as for example the "Johanniter" are today for example the St. John Ambulance Brigade [Johanniter Unfallhilfe]. Indeed were the crusaders in times of the crusades also something like the "Red Cross" of the middle ages. In their hospitals they had helped also wounded Muslims and not only wounded Christians - a very long time before the Red Cross was founded because of the disasters in world war 1.
And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The language of the Mongols is an altaic language and not an Indo-Germanic language. (By the way: I use intentionally always only the old expression "Indo-Germanic", because the new 'tolerant' expression Indo-European is a racist expression: Some European nations do not speak an Indo-Germanic language. The expression "Indo-Germanic" shows only the spreading from the North-West to the East-South of this group of languages).
your Muscovy was created by Mongols , so the story has had nothing to do with you , stop spaming juchiAnd what about the Northern Crusades against the Russians, Poles and Balts?
Northern Crusades - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
He speaks about the "Deutsche Orden" (=German Order), who were monks and knights. The German order made Poland to a Catholic nation. It is by the way wrong to think so called 'teutonic knights' (a wrong translation) fought against Polish barbars or something like this. Often also the kings of Poland had a very big influence on the "Deutsche Orden". The German Order died meanwhile nearly out. Other "crusaders" as for example the "Johanniter" are today for example the St. John Ambulance Brigade [Johanniter Unfallhilfe]. Indeed were the crusaders in times of the crusades also something like the "Red Cross" of the middle ages. In their hospitals they had helped also wounded Muslims and not only wounded Christians - a very long time before the Red Cross was founded because of the disasters in world war 1.
And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The language of the Mongols is an altaic language and not an Indo-Germanic language. (By the way: I use intentionally always only the old expression "Indo-Germanic", because the new 'tolerant' expression Indo-European is a racist expression: Some European nations do not speak an Indo-Germanic language. The expression "Indo-Germanic" shows only the spreading from the North-West to the East-South of this group of languages).
you are mongol you hate freedom , why you have only 1 monument of your mongol fathers?
"The Golden Horde introduced the imperial spirit to Russia, and Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood [. . .]. The mindset of Russians is mainly Asian. Even if the population is of European stock, only a small minority think within European parameters. This is why,” says the Tatar scholar, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them.”
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Putin heir to the Mongol Grand Khans
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"Moscow (AsiaNews) – A recently published book has generated a lot of buzz in Russia. Titled The Great Batu Khan, founder of Russian Statehood (Великий хан Батый – основатель Российской государственности), the tome is by Gennady A. Tjundeshev (Haramos), a historian at Khakassia State University (in Asian Russia, where Tatar-Mongols hail from). Its publication has revived the memory of the times of the "Tartar yoke", when Russia was under Asian rule for more than two centuries, between the 13th and the 15th centuries. It has also inspired some comparisons, especially with President Putin, who was re-elected on 18 March and has acquired the status of tsar and great leader. The great Batu Khan was the grandson of Genghis Khan, who, in 1240, imposed the dominion of the so-called "Golden Horde" on the principalities of ancient Kievan Rus, which disappeared from history as a separate entity. The Tatars were defeated for the first time in 1380 in the Battle of Kulikovo. Dmitry Donskoj, Prince of Moscow, led the way inspired by Sergius of Radonezh. Eventually, the city of Kyiv (Kiev) was against itself by the 17th century, but Asian domination ended only in 1480 thanks to the great prince Ivan III, father of the ideology of Moscow as the Third Rome. According to Tjundeshev’s interpretation, Russia has never freed itself from the legacy of the Tatar Khans; instead, it has made it the basis of its civilisation and state organisation. The idea is not particularly new. Napoleon, contemplating Moscow burning in 1812 from the walls of the Kremlin, uttered his famous words: “Scratch a Russian, you find a Tatar”. Many historians recognise the importance of the rule of the Golden Horde in the development of Russian society. The word money, dénʹgi (деньги), comes from Mongolian and survives in the memory of the taxes that Russians had to pay to the Khans to obtain formal diplomas, Jarliq (ярлык), which today means label, price tag, in modern Russian. Thus, today’s Russia is more the offspring of the Golden Horde than Kievan Rus. Tsar Ivan the Terrible, who conquered the last Kazan khanate in the 1500s, incorporated the main Mongolian leaders into the Russian administration. The tsar of "Holy Russia", to whom many today compare the reigning president (Ivan IV and Putin IV), dropped out of government for a whole year, putting one of his Mongol khans, Simeon Bekbulatovich, in his place. On 19 April, in an interview with Radio Svoboda, Tjundeshev reiterated his thesis. "The Golden Horde introduced the imperial spirit to Russia, and Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood [. . .]. The mindset of Russians is mainly Asian. Even if the population is of European stock, only a small minority think within European parameters. This is why,” says the Tatar scholar, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them.” “In the Russian Duma everyone always votes as the president wants, like in the Kurultáj of Genghis Khan. The founder of the Mongol Empire at the beginning of the 13th century was in reality a very advanced man for his time, able to adapt to different situations and different cultures, including religions. From the Tatars come nations such as China, India, Turkey and Russia, which embrace different faiths like Confucianism, Islam and Orthodox Christianity.”" Putin heir to the Mongol Grand Khans
your Muscovy was created by Mongols , so the story has had nothing to do with you , stop spaming juchiAnd what about the Northern Crusades against the Russians, Poles and Balts?
Northern Crusades - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
He speaks about the "Deutsche Orden" (=German Order), who were monks and knights. The German order made Poland to a Catholic nation. It is by the way wrong to think so called 'teutonic knights' (a wrong translation) fought against Polish barbars or something like this. Often also the kings of Poland had a very big influence on the "Deutsche Orden". The German Order died meanwhile nearly out. Other "crusaders" as for example the "Johanniter" are today for example the St. John Ambulance Brigade [Johanniter Unfallhilfe]. Indeed were the crusaders in times of the crusades also something like the "Red Cross" of the middle ages. In their hospitals they had helped also wounded Muslims and not only wounded Christians - a very long time before the Red Cross was founded because of the disasters in world war 1.
And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The language of the Mongols is an altaic language and not an Indo-Germanic language. (By the way: I use intentionally always only the old expression "Indo-Germanic", because the new 'tolerant' expression Indo-European is a racist expression: Some European nations do not speak an Indo-Germanic language. The expression "Indo-Germanic" shows only the spreading from the North-West to the East-South of this group of languages).
you are mongol you hate freedom ,
why you have only 1 monument of your mongol fathers?
"The Golden Horde introduced the imperial spirit to Russia, and Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood [. . .]. The mindset of Russians is mainly Asian. Even if the population is of European stock, only a small minority think within European parameters. This is why,” says the Tatar scholar, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them.”
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Putin heir to the Mongol Grand Khans
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"Moscow (AsiaNews) – A recently published book has generated a lot of buzz in Russia. Titled The Great Batu Khan, founder of Russian Statehood (Великий хан Батый – основатель Российской государственности), the tome is by Gennady A. Tjundeshev (Haramos), a historian at Khakassia State University (in Asian Russia, where Tatar-Mongols hail from). Its publication has revived the memory of the times of the "Tartar yoke", when Russia was under Asian rule for more than two centuries, between the 13th and the 15th centuries. It has also inspired some comparisons, especially with President Putin, who was re-elected on 18 March and has acquired the status of tsar and great leader. The great Batu Khan was the grandson of Genghis Khan, who, in 1240, imposed the dominion of the so-called "Golden Horde" on the principalities of ancient Kievan Rus, which disappeared from history as a separate entity. The Tatars were defeated for the first time in 1380 in the Battle of Kulikovo. Dmitry Donskoj, Prince of Moscow, led the way inspired by Sergius of Radonezh. Eventually, the city of Kyiv (Kiev) was against itself by the 17th century, but Asian domination ended only in 1480 thanks to the great prince Ivan III, father of the ideology of Moscow as the Third Rome. According to Tjundeshev’s interpretation, Russia has never freed itself from the legacy of the Tatar Khans; instead, it has made it the basis of its civilisation and state organisation. The idea is not particularly new. Napoleon, contemplating Moscow burning in 1812 from the walls of the Kremlin, uttered his famous words: “Scratch a Russian, you find a Tatar”. Many historians recognise the importance of the rule of the Golden Horde in the development of Russian society. The word money, dénʹgi (деньги), comes from Mongolian and survives in the memory of the taxes that Russians had to pay to the Khans to obtain formal diplomas, Jarliq (ярлык), which today means label, price tag, in modern Russian. Thus, today’s Russia is more the offspring of the Golden Horde than Kievan Rus. Tsar Ivan the Terrible, who conquered the last Kazan khanate in the 1500s, incorporated the main Mongolian leaders into the Russian administration. The tsar of "Holy Russia", to whom many today compare the reigning president (Ivan IV and Putin IV), dropped out of government for a whole year, putting one of his Mongol khans, Simeon Bekbulatovich, in his place. On 19 April, in an interview with Radio Svoboda, Tjundeshev reiterated his thesis. "The Golden Horde introduced the imperial spirit to Russia, and Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood [. . .]. The mindset of Russians is mainly Asian. Even if the population is of European stock, only a small minority think within European parameters. This is why,” says the Tatar scholar, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them.” “In the Russian Duma everyone always votes as the president wants, like in the Kurultáj of Genghis Khan. The founder of the Mongol Empire at the beginning of the 13th century was in reality a very advanced man for his time, able to adapt to different situations and different cultures, including religions. From the Tatars come nations such as China, India, Turkey and Russia, which embrace different faiths like Confucianism, Islam and Orthodox Christianity.”" Putin heir to the Mongol Grand Khans
Basically yes and no. The rise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thanks to the Mongols who gave the called 'yarlyk' (the right on power) and devastated the rival duchies.And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The
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you talk about Ugro - Finnish (Moksha) frog fishers ,View attachment 358604Basically yes and no. The rise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thanks to the Mongols who gave the called 'yarlyk' (the right on power) and devastated the rival duchies.And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The
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When I saw this then I had prefered to live in Moscow from 996-1088. It's more easy to plant trees than to build walls.
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Charles Halperin - 1987 - History
"... that the language of the Muscovite bureaucracy was a kind of meta-Turkic, "
Russia and the Golden Horde
This revelatory study of Russian medieval history and the age of Mongolian conquest “infuses the subject with fresh insights and interpretations” (History). In the 13th century, a Mongolian confederation known as The Golden Horde dominated a vast region including Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan...books.google.se
you talk about Ugro - Finnish (Moksha) frog fishers ,View attachment 358604Basically yes and no. The rise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thanks to the Mongols who gave the called 'yarlyk' (the right on power) and devastated the rival duchies.And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The
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When I saw this then I had prefered to live in Moscow from 996-1088. It's more easy to plant trees than to build walls.
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we talk here about northern bank for Mongol taxes , Mongol imperial city buy a book
"Charles Halperin - 1987 - History
"... that the language of the Muscovite bureaucracy was a kind of meta-Turkic, "
Russia and the Golden Horde
This revelatory study of Russian medieval history and the age of Mongolian conquest “infuses the subject with fresh insights and interpretations” (History). In the 13th century, a Mongolian confederation known as The Golden Horde dominated a vast region including Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan...books.google.se
ps start with something simpleyou talk about Ugro - Finnish (Moksha) frog fishers ,View attachment 358604Basically yes and no. The rise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thanks to the Mongols who gave the called 'yarlyk' (the right on power) and devastated the rival duchies.And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The
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When I saw this then I had prefered to live in Moscow from 996-1088. It's more easy to plant trees than to build walls.
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we talk here about northern bank for Mongol taxes , Mongol imperial city buy a book
"Charles Halperin - 1987 - History
"... that the language of the Muscovite bureaucracy was a kind of meta-Turkic, "
Russia and the Golden Horde
This revelatory study of Russian medieval history and the age of Mongolian conquest “infuses the subject with fresh insights and interpretations” (History). In the 13th century, a Mongolian confederation known as The Golden Horde dominated a vast region including Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan...books.google.se
As far as I can see the "Golden Horde" had an empire far from Russia and the Ukraine. And in general are Tatars and Mongols totally different people so it makes not a big sense to say the Mongols spoke Turkish and this has to do with Russia. Can it be "Russia" - whatever the name was at this time of history - was tributary to the Golden Horde?
But let me correct a little mistake, which I made here. The German and Polish knights I spoke about - together with the Hungarians, which I forgot - fought not against Ghengis Khan but against the army of Ögedei Khan. We were devastatingly beaten. And suddenly died Ögedei Khan and so his highest army commanders Jochi (German: Dschötschi) and Batu Khan returned to Mongolia. Western Europe was saved. Thanks god.
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And what has this all to do with the crusades ?
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