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You want to be beckoned "eyns, tsvey, dray"? Be careful with your wishes. You know, the author of " Reizele" was murdered by Germans in Warsaw in 1942.
The Jews were Germans for the Slaws, because they spoke the German language yiddish and slawic languages in most cases with a yiddish-german dialect. That's why the holocaust is from a strict German point of view a fratricide and from a slawic point of view a genocide. And that is also an explanation why anti-Germanism and anti-Semitism do not exclude each other in case of Slawic Nazis.
 
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No idea what you speak about. You have a very strange way to orientate yourselve in history. This is the movement of the Langobards:



They came from the North of Germany moved to the North of Italy (Lombardy) in a wide bow. This has nothing to do with the situation that some neighbors of the Germanic tribe "Bavarians" (Today this is the area Bavaria, Bohemia, Austria and North of Italy) were Slaws.
And then they were defeated by Avars (actually, by Slavs, leaded by Avars).


By the way: No one knows, who were the Awars - nor what kind of language they spoke. But in the area, where they were centered, lived always Turkish people.
There were Turkish-speaking nobles and Slavic-speaking common people.

Question: Which today known language would you say is most similar to the Slawic ?
Baltic languages and Sanskrit are most similar to the Slavic languages.

By the way: The German word, which is most similiar with the word "Slavs" (=Slawen) is "slafen"="schlafen" (=to sleep). Another interpretation could be "Sklaven"(=slaves), that's why we prefer to write meanwhile "Slaws", because it was always spoken an"w" and never an "f" or "v" as in slave. This all makes no sense. It seems the word comes from the Slawic expression "Slov-ene". Any idea what "Slov" means?
Sure. "Slovo" means "a word", "slava" means "glory" in Slavic languages, "šlãvė" means "glory, honor" in Lithuanian, "κλέος" - "glory" in Greek, "c̨rávas" - "glory", "praise" in Sanskrit, "clú" - "glory", "reputation" in Old Irish.
May be, it is related with Proto-Indo-European *gal(O) s-, *glōs-, *golH-so ("voice, cry") and *kalzōna in Proto-Germanic, "kallen" in some modern Germanic dialects, "to call" in modern English.

"The People" who speaks "The language", or "Those, who have a reputation" - looks very possible for me.

And the word you use for Germans is by the way not a specific word - it just simple means something like "stupid stranger" - similar background of this idea as the Greek onomatopoetic word "barbar".
May be, it was not a specific word in the past. But now "speechless/stupid stranger" is the specific and official term for Germans only.

 
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No idea what you speak about. You have a very strange way to orientate yourselve in history. This is the movement of the Langobards:



They came from the North of Germany moved to the North of Italy (Lombardy) in a wide bow. This has nothing to do with the situation that some neighbors of the Germanic tribe "Bavarians" (Today this is the area Bavaria, Bohemia, Austria and North of Italy) were Slaws.
And then they were defeated by Avars (actually, by Slavs, leaded by Avars).
As far as I heard Charlesmagne eliminated the influence of the Awars. And Bohemia (meanwhile it had been an own important kingdom and was made to a part of Czechoslovakia after world war 1) was executed from the allies after world war 2 by displacing all Germans from this area, where their ancestors often had lived for decades of thousands of years. The Czechs and Slovaks had to do nothing and were great winners of world war 2 - thanks Stalin. The side effect: They learned to hate Stalin and their Slawic brother nation "Russia".

By the way: No one knows, who were the Awars - nor what kind of language they spoke. But in the area, where they were centered, lived always Turkish people.
There were Turkish-speaking nobles and Slavic-speaking common people.
No one knows anything about the language the Awars spoke.

Question: Which today known language would you say is most similar to the Slawic ?
Baltic languages and Sanskrit are most similar to the Slavic languages.
Baltic laguages? ... Interesting languages ... all are very different and on the other side very near to Sanskrit. Astonishing. And I see the Prussians were also a baltic population once. When and why did the Prussians start to speak German?

By the way: The German word, which is most similiar with the word "Slavs" (=Slawen) is "slafen"="schlafen" (=to sleep). Another interpretation could be "Sklaven"(=slaves), that's why we prefer to write meanwhile "Slaws", because it was always spoken an"w" and never an "f" or "v" as in slave. This all makes no sense. It seems the word comes from the Slawic expression "Slov-ene". Any idea what "Slov" means?
Sure. "Slovo" means "a word", "slava" means "glory" in Slavic languages, "šlãvė" means "glory, honor" in Lithuanian, "κλέος" - "glory" in Greek, "c̨rávas" - "glory", "praise" in Sanskrit, "clú" - "glory", "reputation" in Old Irish.
May be, it is related with Proto-Indo-European *gal(O) s-, *glōs-, *golH-so ("voice, cry") and *kalzōna in Proto-Germanic, "kallen" in some modern Germanic dialects, "to call" in modern English.

"The People" who speaks "The language", or "Those, who have a reputation" - looks like very possible for me.
I don't see a big sense to call the own people "glorious". Normally everyone calls the own people something like "old idiots". On the other side think lots of people often the own criminals are saints and the saints of foreign nations are criminals. In case of the word "Slaw" I guess "word" is the root. Perhaps something like "people, who got the word"

And the word you use for Germans is by the way not a specific word - it just simple means something like "stupid stranger" - similar background of this idea as the Greek onomatopoetic word "barbar".
May be, it was not a specific word in the past. But now "speechless/stupid stranger" is the specific term for Germans only.
Aha. Also little men need joy.

By the way: And what has this to do now with the crusades?

 
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Some blame the Muslims
Some blame the Christians

it was both their faults

Muslims restricted Christian pilgrims
Christians has very power hungry popes that wanted to expand their power

Ultimately the Christian armies had huge success for awhile but they could never sustain it .

The first and third were legendary but later ones were a total disaster .
The Muslims were also fighting themselves and never united
Just marching there costs the deaths of tens of thousands of Christians from thirst and attacks
it was the first attempt to globalize our world , its 2 main parts . The Crusades attacked not only Muslims . It was ended in Palestine, cos European saw how poor MENA was (in the main good - grain) , a smart move to dumped useless deserts

 

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And what about the Northern Crusades against the Russians, Poles and Balts?
your Muscovy was created by Mongols , so the story has had nothing to do with you , stop spaming juchi
He speaks about the "Deutsche Orden" (=German Order), who were monks and knights. The German order made Poland to a Catholic nation. It is by the way wrong to think so called 'teutonic knights' (a wrong translation) fought against Polish barbars or something like this. Often also the kings of Poland had a very big influence on the "Deutsche Orden". The German Order died meanwhile nearly out. Other "crusaders" as for example the "Johanniter" are today for example the St. John Ambulance Brigade [Johanniter Unfallhilfe]. Indeed were the crusaders in times of the crusades also something like the "Red Cross" of the middle ages. In their hospitals they had helped also wounded Muslims and not only wounded Christians - a very long time before the Red Cross was founded because of the disasters in world war 1.

And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The language of the Mongols is an altaic language and not an Indo-Germanic language. (By the way: I use intentionally always only the old expression "Indo-Germanic", because the new 'tolerant' expression Indo-European is a racist expression: Some European nations do not speak an Indo-Germanic language. The expression "Indo-Germanic" shows only the spreading from the North-West to the East-South of this group of languages).

 
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And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The
Basically yes and no. The rise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thanks to the Mongols who gave the called 'yarlyk' (the right on power) and devastated the rival duchies.
 

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And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The
Basically yes and no. The rise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thanks to the Mongols who gave the called 'yarlyk' (the right on power) and devastated the rival duchies.
The Mongols came with little fast horses and killed everyone with their archers on horsebacks. It was impossible to communicate with them. And while we (Polish and German knights) were losing the war against them - and whole Europe was under the threat to be lost - they suddenly turned back to Mongolia, because a wonderful horse had killed Genghis Khan. They left us back with a speechless shock.

... Got it: The very little principality Moscow became more important, because of refugees and immigrants in the second halfth of the 13th century - specially from the "Rus" (Kiew) and other regions of the area, which is today called "Ukraine".

 

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And what about the Northern Crusades against the Russians, Poles and Balts?
your Muscovy was created by Mongols , so the story has had nothing to do with you , stop spaming juchi
He speaks about the "Deutsche Orden" (=German Order), who were monks and knights. The German order made Poland to a Catholic nation. It is by the way wrong to think so called 'teutonic knights' (a wrong translation) fought against Polish barbars or something like this. Often also the kings of Poland had a very big influence on the "Deutsche Orden". The German Order died meanwhile nearly out. Other "crusaders" as for example the "Johanniter" are today for example the St. John Ambulance Brigade [Johanniter Unfallhilfe]. Indeed were the crusaders in times of the crusades also something like the "Red Cross" of the middle ages. In their hospitals they had helped also wounded Muslims and not only wounded Christians - a very long time before the Red Cross was founded because of the disasters in world war 1.

And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The language of the Mongols is an altaic language and not an Indo-Germanic language. (By the way: I use intentionally always only the old expression "Indo-Germanic", because the new 'tolerant' expression Indo-European is a racist expression: Some European nations do not speak an Indo-Germanic language. The expression "Indo-Germanic" shows only the spreading from the North-West to the East-South of this group of languages).

you are mongol you hate freedom , why you have only 1 monument of your mongol fathers?
"The Golden Horde introduced the imperial spirit to Russia, and Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood [. . .]. The mindset of Russians is mainly Asian. Even if the population is of European stock, only a small minority think within European parameters. This is why,” says the Tatar scholar, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them.”

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Putin heir to the Mongol Grand Khans

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"Moscow (AsiaNews) – A recently published book has generated a lot of buzz in Russia. Titled The Great Batu Khan, founder of Russian Statehood (Великий хан Батый – основатель Российской государственности), the tome is by Gennady A. Tjundeshev (Haramos), a historian at Khakassia State University (in Asian Russia, where Tatar-Mongols hail from). Its publication has revived the memory of the times of the "Tartar yoke", when Russia was under Asian rule for more than two centuries, between the 13th and the 15th centuries. It has also inspired some comparisons, especially with President Putin, who was re-elected on 18 March and has acquired the status of tsar and great leader. The great Batu Khan was the grandson of Genghis Khan, who, in 1240, imposed the dominion of the so-called "Golden Horde" on the principalities of ancient Kievan Rus, which disappeared from history as a separate entity. The Tatars were defeated for the first time in 1380 in the Battle of Kulikovo. Dmitry Donskoj, Prince of Moscow, led the way inspired by Sergius of Radonezh. Eventually, the city of Kyiv (Kiev) was against itself by the 17th century, but Asian domination ended only in 1480 thanks to the great prince Ivan III, father of the ideology of Moscow as the Third Rome. According to Tjundeshev’s interpretation, Russia has never freed itself from the legacy of the Tatar Khans; instead, it has made it the basis of its civilisation and state organisation. The idea is not particularly new. Napoleon, contemplating Moscow burning in 1812 from the walls of the Kremlin, uttered his famous words: “Scratch a Russian, you find a Tatar”. Many historians recognise the importance of the rule of the Golden Horde in the development of Russian society. The word money, dénʹgi (деньги), comes from Mongolian and survives in the memory of the taxes that Russians had to pay to the Khans to obtain formal diplomas, Jarliq (ярлык), which today means label, price tag, in modern Russian. Thus, today’s Russia is more the offspring of the Golden Horde than Kievan Rus. Tsar Ivan the Terrible, who conquered the last Kazan khanate in the 1500s, incorporated the main Mongolian leaders into the Russian administration. The tsar of "Holy Russia", to whom many today compare the reigning president (Ivan IV and Putin IV), dropped out of government for a whole year, putting one of his Mongol khans, Simeon Bekbulatovich, in his place. On 19 April, in an interview with Radio Svoboda, Tjundeshev reiterated his thesis. "The Golden Horde introduced the imperial spirit to Russia, and Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood [. . .]. The mindset of Russians is mainly Asian. Even if the population is of European stock, only a small minority think within European parameters. This is why,” says the Tatar scholar, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them.” “In the Russian Duma everyone always votes as the president wants, like in the Kurultáj of Genghis Khan. The founder of the Mongol Empire at the beginning of the 13th century was in reality a very advanced man for his time, able to adapt to different situations and different cultures, including religions. From the Tatars come nations such as China, India, Turkey and Russia, which embrace different faiths like Confucianism, Islam and Orthodox Christianity.”" Putin heir to the Mongol Grand Khans
 

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And what about the Northern Crusades against the Russians, Poles and Balts?
your Muscovy was created by Mongols , so the story has had nothing to do with you , stop spaming juchi
He speaks about the "Deutsche Orden" (=German Order), who were monks and knights. The German order made Poland to a Catholic nation. It is by the way wrong to think so called 'teutonic knights' (a wrong translation) fought against Polish barbars or something like this. Often also the kings of Poland had a very big influence on the "Deutsche Orden". The German Order died meanwhile nearly out. Other "crusaders" as for example the "Johanniter" are today for example the St. John Ambulance Brigade [Johanniter Unfallhilfe]. Indeed were the crusaders in times of the crusades also something like the "Red Cross" of the middle ages. In their hospitals they had helped also wounded Muslims and not only wounded Christians - a very long time before the Red Cross was founded because of the disasters in world war 1.

And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The language of the Mongols is an altaic language and not an Indo-Germanic language. (By the way: I use intentionally always only the old expression "Indo-Germanic", because the new 'tolerant' expression Indo-European is a racist expression: Some European nations do not speak an Indo-Germanic language. The expression "Indo-Germanic" shows only the spreading from the North-West to the East-South of this group of languages).

you are mongol you hate freedom , why you have only 1 monument of your mongol fathers?
"The Golden Horde introduced the imperial spirit to Russia, and Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood [. . .]. The mindset of Russians is mainly Asian. Even if the population is of European stock, only a small minority think within European parameters. This is why,” says the Tatar scholar, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them.”

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Putin heir to the Mongol Grand Khans

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"Moscow (AsiaNews) – A recently published book has generated a lot of buzz in Russia. Titled The Great Batu Khan, founder of Russian Statehood (Великий хан Батый – основатель Российской государственности), the tome is by Gennady A. Tjundeshev (Haramos), a historian at Khakassia State University (in Asian Russia, where Tatar-Mongols hail from). Its publication has revived the memory of the times of the "Tartar yoke", when Russia was under Asian rule for more than two centuries, between the 13th and the 15th centuries. It has also inspired some comparisons, especially with President Putin, who was re-elected on 18 March and has acquired the status of tsar and great leader. The great Batu Khan was the grandson of Genghis Khan, who, in 1240, imposed the dominion of the so-called "Golden Horde" on the principalities of ancient Kievan Rus, which disappeared from history as a separate entity. The Tatars were defeated for the first time in 1380 in the Battle of Kulikovo. Dmitry Donskoj, Prince of Moscow, led the way inspired by Sergius of Radonezh. Eventually, the city of Kyiv (Kiev) was against itself by the 17th century, but Asian domination ended only in 1480 thanks to the great prince Ivan III, father of the ideology of Moscow as the Third Rome. According to Tjundeshev’s interpretation, Russia has never freed itself from the legacy of the Tatar Khans; instead, it has made it the basis of its civilisation and state organisation. The idea is not particularly new. Napoleon, contemplating Moscow burning in 1812 from the walls of the Kremlin, uttered his famous words: “Scratch a Russian, you find a Tatar”. Many historians recognise the importance of the rule of the Golden Horde in the development of Russian society. The word money, dénʹgi (деньги), comes from Mongolian and survives in the memory of the taxes that Russians had to pay to the Khans to obtain formal diplomas, Jarliq (ярлык), which today means label, price tag, in modern Russian. Thus, today’s Russia is more the offspring of the Golden Horde than Kievan Rus. Tsar Ivan the Terrible, who conquered the last Kazan khanate in the 1500s, incorporated the main Mongolian leaders into the Russian administration. The tsar of "Holy Russia", to whom many today compare the reigning president (Ivan IV and Putin IV), dropped out of government for a whole year, putting one of his Mongol khans, Simeon Bekbulatovich, in his place. On 19 April, in an interview with Radio Svoboda, Tjundeshev reiterated his thesis. "The Golden Horde introduced the imperial spirit to Russia, and Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood [. . .]. The mindset of Russians is mainly Asian. Even if the population is of European stock, only a small minority think within European parameters. This is why,” says the Tatar scholar, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them.” “In the Russian Duma everyone always votes as the president wants, like in the Kurultáj of Genghis Khan. The founder of the Mongol Empire at the beginning of the 13th century was in reality a very advanced man for his time, able to adapt to different situations and different cultures, including religions. From the Tatars come nations such as China, India, Turkey and Russia, which embrace different faiths like Confucianism, Islam and Orthodox Christianity.”" Putin heir to the Mongol Grand Khans
 

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And what about the Northern Crusades against the Russians, Poles and Balts?
your Muscovy was created by Mongols , so the story has had nothing to do with you , stop spaming juchi
He speaks about the "Deutsche Orden" (=German Order), who were monks and knights. The German order made Poland to a Catholic nation. It is by the way wrong to think so called 'teutonic knights' (a wrong translation) fought against Polish barbars or something like this. Often also the kings of Poland had a very big influence on the "Deutsche Orden". The German Order died meanwhile nearly out. Other "crusaders" as for example the "Johanniter" are today for example the St. John Ambulance Brigade [Johanniter Unfallhilfe]. Indeed were the crusaders in times of the crusades also something like the "Red Cross" of the middle ages. In their hospitals they had helped also wounded Muslims and not only wounded Christians - a very long time before the Red Cross was founded because of the disasters in world war 1.

And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The language of the Mongols is an altaic language and not an Indo-Germanic language. (By the way: I use intentionally always only the old expression "Indo-Germanic", because the new 'tolerant' expression Indo-European is a racist expression: Some European nations do not speak an Indo-Germanic language. The expression "Indo-Germanic" shows only the spreading from the North-West to the East-South of this group of languages).

you are mongol you hate freedom ,
If I would be a Mongol I would love freedom.

why you have only 1 monument of your mongol fathers?
"The Golden Horde introduced the imperial spirit to Russia, and Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood [. . .]. The mindset of Russians is mainly Asian. Even if the population is of European stock, only a small minority think within European parameters. This is why,” says the Tatar scholar, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them.”
A prejudice. The enemy of Russia is Vodka and not freedom.

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"Moscow (AsiaNews) – A recently published book has generated a lot of buzz in Russia. Titled The Great Batu Khan, founder of Russian Statehood (Великий хан Батый – основатель Российской государственности), the tome is by Gennady A. Tjundeshev (Haramos), a historian at Khakassia State University (in Asian Russia, where Tatar-Mongols hail from). Its publication has revived the memory of the times of the "Tartar yoke", when Russia was under Asian rule for more than two centuries, between the 13th and the 15th centuries. It has also inspired some comparisons, especially with President Putin, who was re-elected on 18 March and has acquired the status of tsar and great leader. The great Batu Khan was the grandson of Genghis Khan, who, in 1240, imposed the dominion of the so-called "Golden Horde" on the principalities of ancient Kievan Rus, which disappeared from history as a separate entity. The Tatars were defeated for the first time in 1380 in the Battle of Kulikovo. Dmitry Donskoj, Prince of Moscow, led the way inspired by Sergius of Radonezh. Eventually, the city of Kyiv (Kiev) was against itself by the 17th century, but Asian domination ended only in 1480 thanks to the great prince Ivan III, father of the ideology of Moscow as the Third Rome. According to Tjundeshev’s interpretation, Russia has never freed itself from the legacy of the Tatar Khans; instead, it has made it the basis of its civilisation and state organisation. The idea is not particularly new. Napoleon, contemplating Moscow burning in 1812 from the walls of the Kremlin, uttered his famous words: “Scratch a Russian, you find a Tatar”. Many historians recognise the importance of the rule of the Golden Horde in the development of Russian society. The word money, dénʹgi (деньги), comes from Mongolian and survives in the memory of the taxes that Russians had to pay to the Khans to obtain formal diplomas, Jarliq (ярлык), which today means label, price tag, in modern Russian. Thus, today’s Russia is more the offspring of the Golden Horde than Kievan Rus. Tsar Ivan the Terrible, who conquered the last Kazan khanate in the 1500s, incorporated the main Mongolian leaders into the Russian administration. The tsar of "Holy Russia", to whom many today compare the reigning president (Ivan IV and Putin IV), dropped out of government for a whole year, putting one of his Mongol khans, Simeon Bekbulatovich, in his place. On 19 April, in an interview with Radio Svoboda, Tjundeshev reiterated his thesis. "The Golden Horde introduced the imperial spirit to Russia, and Batu Khan was the true founder of Russian statehood [. . .]. The mindset of Russians is mainly Asian. Even if the population is of European stock, only a small minority think within European parameters. This is why,” says the Tatar scholar, “it is so difficult for Russians to learn to be free; they always need a strong hand to rule them.” “In the Russian Duma everyone always votes as the president wants, like in the Kurultáj of Genghis Khan. The founder of the Mongol Empire at the beginning of the 13th century was in reality a very advanced man for his time, able to adapt to different situations and different cultures, including religions. From the Tatars come nations such as China, India, Turkey and Russia, which embrace different faiths like Confucianism, Islam and Orthodox Christianity.”" Putin heir to the Mongol Grand Khans
A lot of information. Most of it seems to be wrong as far as I can see. And Putin is first of all an European - more in a line with Catherine the great or Peter the great. More like a noble czar - a Roman emperor - and he is not a murderous monster, but a cultivated and educated person. And he is a realistic secret service man: The boss for agent 007½ and sometimes perhaps a kind of literate circus athlet - but not a blood thirsting warlord or monster. Sure corrupts absolute power absolute - sure he is dangerous. But to be honest: Still I do not fear Putin - I fear more I will fear his successors.
 
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And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The
Basically yes and no. The rise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thanks to the Mongols who gave the called 'yarlyk' (the right on power) and devastated the rival duchies.
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When I saw this then I had prefered to live in Moscow from 996-1088. It's more easy to plant trees than to build walls.
 

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And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The
Basically yes and no. The rise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thanks to the Mongols who gave the called 'yarlyk' (the right on power) and devastated the rival duchies.
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When I saw this then I had prefered to live in Moscow from 996-1088. It's more easy to plant trees than to build walls.
you talk about Ugro - Finnish (Moksha) frog fishers ,

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we talk here about northern bank for Mongol taxes , Mongol imperial city buy a book



"Charles Halperin - 1987 - ‎History
"... that the language of the Muscovite bureaucracy was a kind of meta-Turkic, "

 
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Charles Halperin - 1987 - ‎History
"... that the language of the Muscovite bureaucracy was a kind of meta-Turkic, "

Mongols and Tatars were totally differnmt people, who had nothing to do with each other - so it makes not any sense to speak from an impirial Mongolian influence in Russia which had used a Turkish (Tataraian) language.
 

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And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The
Basically yes and no. The rise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thanks to the Mongols who gave the called 'yarlyk' (the right on power) and devastated the rival duchies.
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When I saw this then I had prefered to live in Moscow from 996-1088. It's more easy to plant trees than to build walls.
you talk about Ugro - Finnish (Moksha) frog fishers ,

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we talk here about northern bank for Mongol taxes , Mongol imperial city buy a book



"Charles Halperin - 1987 - ‎History
"... that the language of the Muscovite bureaucracy was a kind of meta-Turkic, "

As far as I can see the "Golden Horde" had an empire far from Russia and the Ukraine. And in general are Tatars and Mongols totally different people so it makes not a big sense to say the Mongols spoke Turkish and this has to do with Russia. Can it be "Russia" - whatever the name was at this time of history - was tributary to the Golden Horde?

But let me correct a little mistake, which I made here. The German and Polish knights I spoke about - together with the Hungarians, which I forgot - fought not against Ghengis Khan but against the army of Ögedei Khan. We were devastatingly beaten. And suddenly died Ögedei Khan and so his highest army commanders Jochi (German: Dschötschi) and Batu Khan returned to Mongolia. Western Europe was saved. Thanks god.

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And what has this all to do with the crusades ?

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And your theory the Mongols had founded Russia is wrong. The
Basically yes and no. The rise of the Grand Duchy of Moscow was thanks to the Mongols who gave the called 'yarlyk' (the right on power) and devastated the rival duchies.
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When I saw this then I had prefered to live in Moscow from 996-1088. It's more easy to plant trees than to build walls.
you talk about Ugro - Finnish (Moksha) frog fishers ,

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we talk here about northern bank for Mongol taxes , Mongol imperial city buy a book



"Charles Halperin - 1987 - ‎History
"... that the language of the Muscovite bureaucracy was a kind of meta-Turkic, "

As far as I can see the "Golden Horde" had an empire far from Russia and the Ukraine. And in general are Tatars and Mongols totally different people so it makes not a big sense to say the Mongols spoke Turkish and this has to do with Russia. Can it be "Russia" - whatever the name was at this time of history - was tributary to the Golden Horde?

But let me correct a little mistake, which I made here. The German and Polish knights I spoke about - together with the Hungarians, which I forgot - fought not against Ghengis Khan but against the army of Ögedei Khan. We were devastatingly beaten. And suddenly died Ögedei Khan and so his highest army commanders Jochi (German: Dschötschi) and Batu Khan returned to Mongolia. Western Europe was saved. Thanks god.

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And what has this all to do with the crusades ?

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ps start with something simple
 

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